MarianStarrett
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I think it makes sense to me that Ethan remains, as you said, an outcast. The story could have been given a more conventionally happy ending, but it wouldn't have stayed with you quite the same way.
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> {quote:title=lzcutter wrote:}{quote}
> Anyone want to start the discussion?
I have a few thoughts, but I'd love to hear what you think, first.
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> {quote:title=JoeBond wrote:}{quote}
> I might prefer James Caan's character in El Dorado because of the knowlage that Ricky Nelson was not a trained actor or that I grew up watching El Dorado on AMC and never really had a chance to watch Rio Bravo until recently and I actually thought that Rio Bravo was just a coping off of El Dorado until I found out that Rio Bravo came out before El Dorado. I just think Rio Bravo is just a better overall movie than El Dorado.
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Maybe I had a hard time accepting Caan's character because I grew up watching him in leading parts and had a hard time getting used to watch him in this movie, being second banana to the Duke and Mitchum. It was probably a very good part for him, at that point in his career, and I'm sure he was glad to be in the movie.
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> {quote:title=shuksan wrote:}{quote}
> I love questions like this one since there's something special in each.
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> So I'm going to go for minutia reasoning this time out. El Dorado is my pick for the best piece of horse-flesh The Duke every appeared on... Cochise (the big Appaloosa) he rides in this picture is to die for. Let's hear it for spotted **** horsies. (So much for my career as a film critic.)
That was a seriously cute horse. :x
I loved the scene where he got it to go "in reverse". I don't remember seeing that in a movie before.
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> {quote:title=HarryLong wrote:}{quote}
> Maybe now that Borzage has been rediscovered, Dieterle will be next. He deserves it.
I agree with you completely there.
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And in baseball-related news, I was very sorry to hear earlier this morning about the death
of Angels pitcher Nick Adenhart, 22, in a car crash in Southern California that also killed two others. He'd just appeared in Wednesday's night Angels game a few hours earlier.
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I read about that yesterday, and I'm definitely excited about the new remastered tracks. Hope they'll be available thru iTunes, too.
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That's a really _awesome_ poster! B-)
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Did you also have a sister like CineMaven's, molo?
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On my TV it's the "Full" setting, and the movie looks perfect!
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> {quote:title=molo14 wrote:}{quote}
> Some of you have commented on Shane's compliment to Marian but what stood out to me was a scene just before that. When Marian is setting the table, Joe says something to her about bringing out the fancy plates. She gives him a look like "don't embarrass me" and he asks her what's wrong. Am I making that up? I don't have my copy on hand to check. I noticed that more than Shane's compliment.
I just checked my DVD.. the lines are:
JOE: Say, we're kind of fancy, aren't we?
JOEY: What is, pa?
JOE: Our good plates and extra fork and...
JOEY: What about me, ma?
JOE: What's the matter, Marian?
MARIAN: Nothing
And you're right, she looks a bit flustered/embarrassed
*He admires what Joe and Marian have and is protective of it. I also think Joe wants to believe that Shane will protect Marian and Joey if he is killed. He wants that comfort before he takes on Ryker.*
That's another excellent point. He will have greater peace of mind if he knows someone's there to take care of them, if something were to happen to him.
*Jean Arthur's Marian is the most subdued I've ever seen her in a film. It made me look at her character a lot more closely.*
She really is great, and it was a great role for her to choose as her last film performance.
*Heflin, I have always liked. I really like it when he plays a down and out kind of character, but he is just perfect for the role of Joe.*
I agree, he just hits all the right notes and really makes us care for him.
*Shane is Alan Ladd's greatest role. I love all the dark noir films he did with Veronica Lake, but this is the film that I will always think of first when someone mentions his name. It's a character that is nothing short of a legend to me. A mythic figure I have known since I was a kid. As I got older, I came to appreciate the character and the film even more for all it's complexities.*
Yes, it's probably the one he's remembered for the most by the majority of classic movie buffs - but his work in noirs was also very good, of course.
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Hi Neekokatt, and welcome to the forums!
There's another thread on this movie:
http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/thread.jspa?threadID=141777&tstart=0
I just checked my recording and I can't make out the face in the photo, it seems a bit blurry to me or just too far from the camera. It does not look like Myrna to me, though.
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> {quote:title=JoeBond wrote:}{quote}
> Originally I really liked El Dorado before I even watched Rio Bravo, but after watching Rio Bravo for the first time I have to admit that I liked Rio Bravo a little better. I think Rio Bravo is better because John Wayne's love interest (Angie Dickinson) is superior and Walter Brennan is very memorable in the movie. The only drawback is Rick Nelson's performance which is not that bad but is not that good. I thought that James Can did a much better job in a similar role in El Dorado.
Hi Joe,
Just watched "El Dorado" and had a similar reaction, I still like "Rio Bravo" better, although "El Dorado" isn't bad at all. But I do like Angie Dickinson and Walter Brennan better, just like you did. As for "Mississippi" vs. "Colorado", I'm afraid that's the only character in which my preference differs from yours. I liked Ricky Nelson's Colorado a bit better than James Caan's Mississippi, Nelson seemed to have a bit more spark, and Caan clowned around just a bit too much, like when he pretends to be a Chinese man to surprise the guard.
The movies start out fairly differently but by the second half, a sense of deja vu starts to hang in the air, as the plots become more and more similar. Michele Carey as Joey MacDonald was another good thing "El Dorado" had going for it. (And, needless to say, the fact that Leigh Brackett also worked on the screenplay).
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> {quote:title=molo14 wrote:}{quote}
> Well said and the screencap is perfect. Elisha Cook Jr. sure had a way of playing these kind of characters. His size and that face, it was like he was built for these roles.
He's definitely one of my favorite supporting actors, his face was so very expressive and if cast right, he never failed to make quite an impression, usually getting your sympathy no matter what he was doing.
Amazingly, his career stretches back to the 1930's!
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I have been recording all these great movies all day long, while watching another movie on DVD. This looks like one of the better titles! Thanks, TCM! B-)
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> {quote:title=TikiSoo wrote:}{quote}
> The US has several "old roads"- Rt 1 from Maine to FL which was written about by Pete Genovese, NJ roadside afficianado. My favorite, Rt 40 from eastern PA to the midwest, Rt 6 that paralels it to the north, just several great roads out there to discover.
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> I keep an old pre-interstate atlas and you can easily spot the major "old roads". Yeah, it takes longer to travel that way, but you'll never see a giant cowboy, a drive in theater, or old diner on the highway!
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Those are all the _best_ reasons to take the "old roads" whenever you have the chance. And that diner looks really cool! B-)
Thanks for sharing Tiki!
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I look forward to watching it, shirleytemple - and welcome to the forums!
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> {quote:title=musicalnovelty wrote:}{quote}
> The highlight of the day of baseball movies for me will be the too-rarely-shown "They Learned About Women" (1930).
> It is the movie that "Take Me Out to the Ball Game (1949) is a partial, sort-of remake of.
I did _not_ know that! I would like to watch it, too, or at least record it for a rainy day.
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I'm surprised TCMWebAdmin missed this one...
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> {quote:title=Kim1607 wrote:}{quote}
> Two things.
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> I've used the db for movies but not actors. I will have to try that too.
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> And Gentleman's Agreement comes on the FMC this weekend. It's one of those I am afraid of because it sounds intense but I will DVR it.
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I wouldn't say that "Gentleman's Agreement" is intense by today's standards. It might have seemed very audacious in its time because few movies had tackled anti-semitism, and of course the movie has its heart in the right place, but for a lot of people watching it today, it might seem a little dated.
Still worth watching, of course.
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*Strangely, this was being said a year ago, too. I remember many April 2008 articles with the same headline.*
It is possible, I suppose, that they're really much worse off now than a year ago, due to the economic meltdown late last year.
Another factor has been the huge success of the "DVD kiosks" that are being put in many stores and supermarkets is another factor, especially since those movies rent for just $0.99 or so (and many are accessible 24 hours a day).
I won't be sad to see them go under, if that happens.
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I am very intrigued by *Lilac Time* and very surprised it has never been shown on TCM.
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That whole evening - with no less than THREE fan programmers - is going to be awesome, I plan on recording every single one of them!
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> {quote:title=JackFavell wrote:}{quote}
> I am a huge Leslie Howard fan. Last night was bliss.....they really picked some great movies.
I agree, completely. He is sooo good in "Pygmalion" and "Petrified Forest". He had an incredible range as an actor, because he could play meek with the best of them but he could also be rather forceful when the part called for it.
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> Ethan Edwards being a farmer would drive him and everyone else a little crazy before long.
I couldn't have said it better myself. He's too much of a wild spirit, from what I remember (I plan to watch the movie again today or tomorrow, but I have seen it in a theater before). He needs more space than he could have in such a small house.