MarianStarrett

Good point, goldensilents. I'm just glad I was able to record it today, because I looked at the schedule and it isn't supposed to be shown again any time soon. And was it just my imagination, or was the Fox logo at the beginning of the movie something that was not there _originally_ ? Because the first title card of the movie clearly says "Fox Films" so I take it it was released before the merger with 20th Century.

Hi pk, just wanted to say "hi". And, since you "piqued" my curiosity, how long did you spend trading films? Was it just on home video formats, or also 35mm and 16mm?

There is yet another showing of this silent classic scheduled on the Fox channel for April 21st, at 8am Eastern Time.

I recorded this William Dieterle movie from the Fox channel earlier today, it stars Loretta Young and Victor Jory. The scenes involving the battles of the French Foreign Legion are very exciting and well directed. It only has 36 votes on imdb.com, so it probably isn't shown all that often.

Congrats, goldensilents, you seem to have got a great deal on the set!

> {quote:title=Kim1607 wrote:}{quote} > I envy you. We went to Paris on 2001 and it was almost surreal to see all those iconic sites in person. Have a great time. Oh, you must have had a lovely time! Which of the tourist attractions did you like best?

Oh it's not silly at all, I don't think. I feel the same way most of the time in the "Shane" thread in Westerns. You really should give "The Yearling" a try, it's a very touching movie, and he is very good in it, obviously, I like the way he plays the father figure because it's the kind of father that almost anyone would probably want to have!

He was a truly great actor. I loved him in "The Yearling". :x

Catwoman, I think "On Borrowed Time" is one of the best movies Lionel Barrymore ever starred in. Also, might be worth mentioning that it has now been released on DVD through the Warner Archives. It's certainly worth owning, imho!

Oh, I know about that. It's just that when Universal releases classic Paramount movies on DVD, they don't exactly go out of their way to note that it's a Paramount movie, you know? They just say the title and the stars and sometimes that's enough if you know a lot about movies, if you know who was under contract to what studios.

> {quote:title=Catwoman915 wrote:}{quote} > I can't think of a Howard Hawks film that I don't like. He was one of the best. I can't think of one I didn't like, either, but I can think of maybe one or two that I haven't had a chance to watch yet. But, having watched the "Men Who Made the Movies" special about him made me appreciate him even more!

I had heard about this set before, I just didn't realize it consisted of Paramount movies (since it's the ones that Universal controls).

> {quote:title=movieman1957 wrote:}{quote} > Geez, I'm an idiot. Here I've been calling Torrey by Johnson (I don't know why) and all of you have been too kind to tell me that I am such a goof. > > My apologies and my thanks for being patient and understanding. > > Going back to my hole now. I was a little confused at first and thought I'd gotten the characters mixed up. But in either case, I'm glad you got that straightened out. No need to go into a hole over it. *Now that's fascinating. I suppose this means each is the same, just on different sides of the fence. I really liked when Shane and Wilson size each other up at the Starett* *ranch over drinks of water.* That was a good scene. And yes, they're very nearly the same, except for the fact that one is a "white hat" and the other one is the "black hat". B-)

*In a way, I was reminded of The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance with Shane.* *Ranse (James Stewart) wasn't a man who could handle a gun but Doniphon (John Wayne) was. When a threat of violence arose, Hallie (Vera Miles) would turn to Doniphon for help, just as Marian does with Shane. Shane prevents Joe from a showdown and Doniphon -- VALANCE SPOILER -- saves Ranse during his showdown. Of course, Doniphon is a far more tragic figure since he was the man who first loved Hallie. Shane was second in line for Marian.* I find that to be a very good comparison. In the Old West, it seems, there were men of great principles who were not very good with guns, and men who might not always have been high on principles, but who knew how to handle the guns. And I say this with some reservation in the case of Shane because we really don't know an awful lot about what kind of a man he was, prior to the events in the movie, we just know he was a gunslinger at some point.

Frank, I really enjoyed reading your responses to the others. Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts with everyone. I hope you don't mind if I chime in, as well. *That is a very good observation. The uprooting of the stump is a critically important* *moment in the film. This plays to your bookending. The stump in the film is "Ryker."* *He must be removed if the community is to grow and prosper.* There is no question that the uprooting scene is an important one, although equating a stump with one of the characters strikes me as much too simple a comparison (because it leaves out the fact that Wilson was far more dangerous, at least in terms of a gunfight, than Ryker could possibly be). I think the purpose of the scene was to show Joe's determination (in the way he refuses to use a team to get the job done) but also how Shane's cooperation is going to play a critically important role, and that Joe's willingness to accept Shane's cooperation may also be a very important factor. In the end, however, Joe was desperate enough to try to seek a resolution to the impasse in the most violent way imaginable, even if that wasn't really his strength and was quite likely to result in his death. Unlike the stump, in the case of facing Wilson and Ryker, Joe was trying to go it alone, and Shane has to knock him out to protect him from harm (and by extension, protecting Marian and Joey from being left on their own). *I'm of the belief that when a man compliments a woman's meal, he is complimenting her. I think many women still take it as such.* Yes, I would certainly take it as a personal compliment if a man compliments something I cooked for him! :x What Joey said at the end of the movie really stuck with me, although I may have interpreted in a slightly different way. I don't think Joey is old enough to really understand much about romantic love, or why two people who might be attracted to each other would choose to repress those feelings, if one of them is already happily married. For Joey, Shane would represent a 2nd paternal figure, and one who could teach him things his real father couldn't, like how to handle a gun. So from Joey's point of view, wishing that Shane would stick around is probably more along the lines of wishing your favorite uncle or aunt could come and stay with you because you can do things with him/her that you couldn't do with your parents. Joey may have misinterpreted what his mother felt for Joey, but he was definitely picking up on something very real.

> {quote:title=Kim1607 wrote:}{quote} > That's what I think I am going to do. Although when I searched my cable it was playing on a Cinemax channel. > > Thanks for the answer and I guess that's why I never see Letter to Three Wives on TCM either. That's the first classic movie I remember watching as a teen. If you're able to record it from some other channel, that's always a good option. However I've heard a lot of those movie channels have some kind of copy-protection going on. Either way, hope you'll watch the movie soon and tell us about it!

> {quote:title=georgiegirl wrote:}{quote} > I was in communications for over 25 years and taught diplomacy classes to my fellow coworkers, and I know there are all kinds of people out there, but I learned there are very few who, even in the most ill tempered and foul frame of mind when offered a rose in friendship will not take it and turn themselves around. > That sounds very wise to me, georgiegirl. Communicating online sometimes can be the most difficult for some people due to the lack of visual cues. There may also be a bit of a generational divide, but I'm not sure how much of a factor that would be in this particular forum.

That is so cute! Has she seen "The Little Princess"? That one is really sweet.

> {quote:title=movieman1957 wrote:}{quote} > I don't think Johnson is the martyr in the traditional sense of the word. I think his death is the catalyst for bringing the community together and ultimately getting Shane to come to town I think Johnson's death is a result of his trumped up bravado that he can't live up to. > > He doesn't go in to sacrifice himself or do whatever he was doing for the greater good of the community. He did it because he was full of himself. Even so he certainly was the catalyst for forcing the final outcome. > > As far as your other thought on Starrett and Johnson coming after Wilson I think it is from two different perspectives. Starrett goes because someone has to and I think he believes he is the only one who can. The others are weak and while he may not be all the Shane is I think he feels no one else can. Johnson does it for himself. Even he is not convinced he can standing in the mud looking up at Wilson. I think though he feels trapped and can't get out so he pulls his gun. As if it mattered... movieman, I think you hit the proverbial nail on the head. Stonewall really does look out of his depth when standing across from Wilson, and it almost makes you feel sorry for him even before Wilson draws his gun, because you realize that it isn't even a close contest, that there's absolutely no way he's going to survive a gunfight with Wilson, and that his gesture will in some way end up being a largely useless one. Well, maybe not entirely because it will help to some extent to bring the homesteaders together. But the look on poor Elisha Cook's face as he's looking at Palance's Wilson just speaks volumes... I wish I had a screencap of it, but I'm sure everybody will get the idea. I couldn't help but think that if Shane had not been around, Joe Starrett wouldn't have fared much better, although perhaps it wouldn't have been such an unfair fight. But still, it would without any doubt have left Marion a widow and little Joey an orphan.

Kim, TCM will sometimes play Fox movies, just not as often as those from some other studios. I believe earlier this year they played "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid", and other Fox titles like "Love is a Many-Splendored Thing". Realistically speaking, it might be a lot easier to just buy the DVD, though. It comes in a set with "Rawhide" and "Garden of Evil" and doesn't cost a lot. Message was edited by: MarianStarrett

But wasn't the 1939 "Beau Geste" basically just a remake of the silent version?

*You know you will have my rapt attention concerning the Big Man...* Same here! It's been a while since I've watched it, but I always love another chance (or excuse) to watch it one more time.

> {quote:title=JakeHolman wrote:}{quote} > My way was an excellent start... I actually thought I'd noticed something in the way Joe looked at Marian and Shane when they were dancing together on the 4th of July, but I didn't even mention it because I was really not sure if it was just me or if it was something that others would see there, too.

Which one is the German poster?

> {quote:title=JackFavell wrote:}{quote} > I am curious what makes Torrey's wanting to take on Wilson so different from Starrett wanting to go at the end? I have some thoughts but would love to know what everyone else thinks. > My feeling is that Joe Starrett had a much higher standing in the community, that others were more likely to look at him and to follow his lead, compared to Stonewall.