HollywoodGolightly

> {quote:title=movieman1957 wrote:}{quote} > I think that men are still primarily the economic providers but I wasn't even going that far with what would make them happy. But just providing won't make the family necessarily happy. > > Message was edited by: movieman1957 Fair enough. I re-read Scott's original comment and I think perhaps I read too much into it, so I apologize for that. Getting back to the point, in the context of westerns, I think there are a lot of examples that could be pertinent. The first one that came to mind was Shane, where Marian seems to want something she cannot have, because she already has a family and with that family come responsibilities. If this is indeed a recurring theme in Westerns (and I have to ponder about that a bit more) it may reflect in part the limited choices that were available to women at the time, since they pretty much relied on men to defend them, provide for them, etc., and were usually expected to be wed fairly young; and once that major life decision was taken, there was no easy way to alter the path their lives had taken, except in the case of their husband's unexpected death. By the same token, most of the men in Westerns enjoy a lot more freedom, unless they are married, and can go wherever they want to go pretty much, do whatever they want to do. There are a few exceptions, of course, where there are Westerns with very strong women ( Forty Guns and Johnny Guitar come to mind) but those, in my opinion, would have to be the exception rather than the rule. Here is another interesting idea: were Westerns more popular in the 50s than they are today because that era in American society still reflected to a great extent the old-fashioned values where men were the primary bread-winners, and women were usually homemakers and raised the children? Can it be harder for today's audiences (at least mainstream audiences) to relate to the old West because we've gotten pretty far from that kind of family arrangement, or is it entirely unrelated? You've given me quite a bit of food for thought, I'm very grateful.

Hail the Conquering Hero - Phony hero's triumph next: The Comancheros (on FMC right now)

> {quote:title=movieman1957 wrote:}{quote} > >And none of this has to do with gender. Men are just as unsure as women when it comes to thinking they know what they want. "If only I had this, I'd be happy." It's rarely that simple. > > Amen. I salute the sentiment of gender equality, but doesn't society put a bit of an extra burden of men, in that (even today) they are more or less expected to provide for the family? So for them, it's not just about what makes them happy, but also about providing for what the wife and the children might need to make them happy. It was even more extreme in the Old West, of course.... although quite possibly, there was also a lot more chivalry!

Coming up on June 15... *The White Cliffs Of Dover* (1944) An American woman with a British husband fights to keep her family together through two world wars. Cast: Irene Dunne, Alan Marshal, Roddy McDowall, Frank Morgan Dir: Clarence Brown BW-126 mins, TV-PG This is one very touching WW2 movie, with a very moving early appearance by Peter Lawford. Well worth watching, especially since it's not on DVD yet.

*_SATURDAY, JUNE 13_* *Smoky* (1966) 6am ET A cowboy (Parker) searches for his lost horse in this remake of the 1946 classic. Cast: Diana Hyland, Katy Jurado, Hoyt Axton, Robert Wilke, Fess Parker. Director: George Sherman. *_THURSDAY, JUNE 18_* *The Call of the Wild* (1935) A loose adaptation of Jack London's Yukon adventure involving two con men, a woman, and a dog named Buck. Clark Gable is a tough guy looking for a gold mine who shows a gentle side as he crosses paths with Loretta Young and saves a sled dog. Cast: Loretta Young, Clark Gable, Jack Oakie, Reginald Owen, Frank Conroy, Katherine Demille, Sidney Toler. Director: William Wellman. *_MONDAY, JUNE 22_* *My Darling Clementine* (1946) 9am ET A western classic about Wyatt Earp (Fonda) and Doc Holliday (Mature) and their clash with the Clanton family at the O.K. Corral. Cast: Henry Fonda, Victor Mature, Tim Holt, Alan Mowbray, Linda Darnell, Walter Brennan. Director: John Ford. *The Undefeated* (1969) 11am ET A confederate soldier (Rock Hudson) moves his family to Mexico and joins forces with a rival Union colonel (John Wayne) to battle the new frontier. Cast: John Wayne, Rock Hudson, John Agar, Roman Gabriel, Tony Aguilar, Lee Meriwether. Director: Andrew V. McLaglen. *_WEDNESDAY, JUNE 24_* *When the Legends Die* (1972) 4am ET A veteran rodeo performer (Richard Widmark) coaches an Indian Frederic Forrest) to be a champion rider. Cast: Richard Widmark, Frederic Forrest, Luana Anders, Vito Scotti. Director: Stuart Millar. *_FRIDAY, JUNE 26_* *Three Bad Men* (1926) 6am ET In what is considered to be one of John Ford's best silent films, three outlaws come to the aid of a young girl who's father is killed during Western settlement period. Cast: George O'Brien, Olive Borden, Lou Tellegen, Tom Santschi, J. Farrell Macdonald. Director: John Ford.

Did audiences back then really notice those things?

Mmmm. Choices, choices... {sticking-your-tongue-out emoticon}

Those are all great. For some reason, I find that saucerman especially endearing...

> {quote:title=movieman1957 wrote:}{quote} > I would nominate Jean Arthur and Joel McCrea in "the front porch" scene from "The More The Merrier" as quite sexy. She tries to talk to McCrea and all the while he is busy nibbling on her neck. She becomes quite distracted. That scene was pretty sexy too, but I think the one in The Lady Eve wins... by a neck.

Richardson, Tony - directed Hamlet (1969)

Norma - Maureen O'Sullivan in Hannah and Her Sisters (coming up on W. Allen day)

Yamazaki, Tsutomu

Annie

> {quote:title=JackFavell wrote:}{quote} > Did anyone else get the distinct impression that Hopsy wanted to be duped again, by Eve? That he almost knew? I honestly never noticed, but he is so quick to fall for Eve. Yes, Fonda is great at conveying that impression, of almost wanting to be duped by her again. They're both so good in this one! > Does any other movie of that time get as sexy as that scene? Or for that matter are there any scenes ever, that outdo it for sheer lovemaking? I can't think of any. I love Henry's hot under the collar..... "Really Hopsy , you should be kept in a cage..." That one is definitely one of my favorites...

> {quote:title=kingrat wrote:}{quote} > Just caught I KNOW WHERE I'M GOING. No wonder people love this film so much. I'd only seen Wendy Hiller at a later stage of her career--SEPARATE TABLES and beyond--and had no idea how pretty and utterly charming she could be. Great point that this is a love story where the leads scarcely even touch. Hiller as a strong, smart, independent woman really appeals to us today. > Good analysis, kingrat. She really is a lovely actress, and she was great in everything I've ever seen her in. > Powell & Pressburger fell completely out of fashion in the 1960s. They were scarcely mentioned in most film histories. THE RED SHOES is the only one of their films that retained some popularity, at least in America. (Remember the reference to THE RED SHOES in A CHORUS LINE?) I'd never even heard of I KNOW WHERE I'M GOING until 15 or 20 years ago when a co-worker mentioned seeing it on TV and loving it. Even worse, Michael Powell's career was dealt irreparable damage by the release of his 1960 movie, Peeping Tom, which was pretty much ahead of its time. But critics and audiences at the time didn't know what to make of it.

TCM pays tribute to the great Akira Kurosawa today with three of his movies in the prime time schedule: *PRIME TIME SCHEDULE, JUNE 11* *Seven Samurai* (1954) 8pm ET Japanese villagers hire a team of traveling samurai to defend them against a bandit attack. Cast: Toshiro Mifune, Takashi Shimura, Kuninori Kodo, Yoshio Inaba Dir: Akira Kurosawa BW-207 mins, TV-14 *Kagemusha* (1980) 11:30pm ET Japanese clansmen force a poor thief to impersonate their dead warlord. Cast: Tatsuya Nakadai, Tsutomu Yamazaki, Kenichi Hagiwara, Kota Yui Dir: Akira Kurosawa C-180 mins *Red Beard* (1965) 2:45am ET A tough doctor takes a young intern under his wing. Cast: Toshiro Mifune, Yuzo Kayama, Yoshio Tsuchiya, Terumi Niki Dir: Akira Kurosawa BW-185 mins, TV-MA

Today's tribute in the "Great Directors" month is actor/director John Huston. *MORNING / AFTERNOON SCHEDULE FOR JUNE 11* *In This Our Life* (1942) 6am ET A neurotic southerner steals her sister's husband then vies with her for another man. Cast: Bette Davis, Olivia de Havilland, George Brent, Dennis Morgan Dir: John Huston BW-97 mins, TV-PG *The Asphalt Jungle* (1950) 7:45am ET A gang of small time crooks plots an elaborate jewel heist. Cast: Sterling Hayden, Louis Calhern, Jean Hagen, James Whitmore Dir: John Huston BW-112 mins, TV-PG *Annie* (1982) 9:45am ET An orphan attracts the attention of a Wall Street tycoon and a con artist. Cast: Albert Finney, Carol Burnett, Aileen Quinn, Ann Reinking Dir: Gary Martin C-127 mins, TV-PG *Moulin Rouge* (1952) 12pm ET French painter Toulouse-Lautrec fights to find love despite his physical limitations. Cast: Jose Ferrer, Zsa Zsa Gabor, Suzanne Flon, Claude Nollier Dir: John Huston C-119 mins, TV-PG *The Maltese Falcon* (1941) 2pm ET Hard-boiled detective Sam Spade gets caught up in the murderous search for a priceless statue. Cast: Humphrey Bogart, Mary Astor, Gladys George, Peter Lorre Dir: John Huston BW-101 mins, TV-PG *The Treasure of the Sierra Madre* (1948) 3:45pm ET Three prospectors fight off bandits and each other after striking-it-rich in the Mexican mountains. Cast: Humphrey Bogart, Walter Huston, Tim Holt, Bruce Bennett Dir: John Huston BW-126 mins, TV-PG *The African Queen* (1951) 6pm ET A grizzled skipper and a spirited missionary take on the Germans in Africa during World War I. Cast: Humphrey Bogart, Katharine Hepburn, Robert Morley, Peter Bull Dir: John Huston C-105 mins, TV-PG

Hope you enjoyed them! Here is another great McCrea/Lake photo:

The post got through! Here's another RW photo for her fans:

Next movie with _Gloria Grahame_ coming up on TCM... *Odds Against Tomorrow* (1959), on Tuesday, Jun. 16 at 7:45am Eastern. *Odds Against Tomorrow* (1959) Desperate losers plan a bank robbery with unexpected results. Cast: Harry Belafonte, Robert Ryan, Shelley Winters, Ed Begley Dir: Robert Wise BW-96 mins, TV-PG

> {quote:title=coder1953 wrote:}{quote} > Also, TCM is going to air "On With The Show" (1929) ... the first all talking, all color feature film. (It'll air in black & white because only about one minute is known to survive in technicolor.) Could you clarify what you mean by "all color"? Do you mean the whole movie was in 2-strip Technicolor? Because I don't think there were any movies filmed completely in 3-strip Technicolor until Becky Sharp (1935).

I forgot to comment about Last Train from Gun Hill, which I think TCM has shown fairly recently (maybe it was for Anthony Quinn's birthday?), but I didn't get to watch it when it was on TCM. However since it's out on video, and since you seem to think it was worth mentioning, I'll make sure and add it to my queue. I mean, anything with Kirk Douglas and Anthony Quinn's gotta be worth watching!

Robert Middleton was in The Court Jester with Danny Kaye

Yup. I kinda think she did. I guess she was more comfortable in contemporary movies than in period pieces.

Although I don't usually get too excited about remakes of classic movies, the remake of The Taking of Pelham 1 2 3 sounds like it might be worth watching. It stars Denzel Washington and was directed by Tony Scott. (And the mayor is played by James Gandolfini!) I don't think it'll be as good as the original (who can forget Robert Shaw?) but it might be at least worth the price of a matinee ticket on a slow summer day.