ValentineXavier

Thanks, TCMprogrammr! Hope the full-length version shows up. Postings on the IMDb say that the long version is vastly superior.

> {quote:title=Swithin wrote:}{quote} > The worst film I ever saw -- it was so overtouted and I really HATED it -- was Terry Gilliam's *Brazil*. I saw an endlessly uncut version at the Kensington Odean in London when the film first came out. It was an unbearable pile of clumsy art direction combined with the stupidist satire, but people liked it. It won awards! When it came to New York, it had 20 minutes cut and a fuss was made. They should have cut the whole film! > > I had walked out of *The Time Bandits* some years earlier. I think maybe Gilliam was ok doing those little animated bits on "Monty Python," but as a director, i can't stand him. To each their own. Gilliam is one of my favorite directors. *Brazil* is great, but I think my favorite film of his is *The Fisher King*. *Twelve Monkeys* is one of the best modern scifi films. I'll admit that *The Brothers Grimm* and *The Adventures of Baron Munchhausen* aren't really successful. Feeling as you do NEVER watch *Tideland*. It is a very twisted film that makes *Brazil* seem like a school picnic. I loved it.

> {quote:title=FredCDobbs wrote:}{quote} > Has anyone here seen Syriana? Its about big oil companies and government agents working in the Middle-East to keep the oil flowing. > > I find this film fascinating and I enjoyed watching it twice. But I cant seem to follow the plot. Wiki says it has four separate plots. I like *Syriana* a lot. I've only seen it twice. It is complicated, and confusing, as are the sorts of things it depicts. You really need a score card, with all the players, and their affiliations. I theorize that if I watched it four times, and took notes, I'd get it all. But, maybe not...

*Elizabeth and Essex*, and *The Virgin Queen*, both starring Bette Davis.

> {quote:title=babydiapers wrote:}{quote} > "I suspect Val knows, he is just responding to your narrow-mindedness." - lazycutter > > That type of name calling is unwarranted. She was quite correct.

No, "a woman behind every tree" is an old joke about the far north, because there are no trees, and except for Eskimos, there were no women. But, I suppose they send women to work up there now, be it in the oil patch, military, or research bases. Only fair that they get an equal opportunity at frost bite.

> {quote:title=lzcutter wrote:}{quote} > *I believe that in the US we were doing sterilizations of some people even into the 70s* > > The Tuskegee sterilization experiment lasted until 1972. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_syphilis_experiment Indeed. I believe that there were still a few sterilizations of mentally handicapped girls as well, more to prevent unwanted pregnancy than eugenics, and probably others for other reasons too.

> {quote:title=hamradio wrote:}{quote} > Wonder if they only cut back on the roasting time. Actually, they cut degrees from the story arc...

> {quote:title=babydiapers wrote:}{quote} > > {quote:title=ValentineXavier wrote:}{quote} > > > {quote:title=babydiapers wrote:}{quote} > > > And I repudiate you for it. > > > > Guess I'll just have to refudiate you for it... > > > See what I mean about decline of culture and literacy? The word is "repudiate", toots. Look it up. "Refudiate" is a word invented by Sarah Palin. Besides being a film junkie, I'm a news junkie. I thought that one got wide enough play that most people would have heard of it. Presumably it is a blend of repudiate, and refute. If you want to know more, there's always 'the google.'

> {quote:title=hamradio wrote:}{quote} > *Ahh, peace and quite, no problem kids here.* And there's a woman behind every tree!

> {quote:title=babydiapers wrote:}{quote} > And I repudiate you for it. Guess I'll just have to refudiate you for it...

> {quote:title=RichardKimble wrote:}{quote} > My biggest problem with the film ATKM is Crawford. He's a bull in a china shop. Huey Long was no screaming ****. He was a gladhanding backslapper who could sell ice to Eskimos. Crawford completely miss this aspect of Long. > I don't think that's Crawford's fault. That is the way the part is written, and what the director wanted. They wanted hick, not slick, and bully, not gladhander.

I know that Hitler didn't invent eugenics, and that they were popular in the US. I believe that in the US we were doing sterilizations of some people even into the 70s. But, as your quotes from Mein Kampf demonstrate, the US textbook stuff was "Nazi-lite."

*Fearless Vampire Killers* has a great ball scene, with lots of ball gowns. Most of the period costume films I know have already been named. If I think of more, I'll post them.

I think the thread didn't get attention because there are several threads going about remakes, even though most of them are about specific remakes.

So, what do you have against personal hygiene? Seriously, much of that does seem like Nazi-lite. Obviously not acceptable today. But, it reminds me of a nice little rhyme- Poor baby shoe, Whose prospects could be bleaker? It's father was a loafer, And its mother a sneaker.

Three of the most forced smiles I've ever seen, all three almost identical. Glad they seemed so natural when actually performing!

I was only referring to the two pages of the text that Fred posted. I haven't read the rest of it. Certainly we would find any teaching of eugenics, outside of a historical context, repugnant today.

> {quote:title=dianabat wrote:}{quote} > And here I thought this was going to be a poll on *who'd been stung by dead bees...* Truly, that was THE question of THaHN.

> {quote:title=Swithin wrote:}{quote} > I don't know why they took it out of the South. Perhaps Rossen -- if it was at least partly his decision -- *wanted to make it more universal*. I'd say that was his main reason, to make it a story that could occur anywhere people support demagogues. Also, I'm sure they wanted to distance it, at least just a bit, from the connection to Huey Long, just as *Citizen Kane* didn't overtly admit to being about Hearst. Although he didn't have that broad a range, Crawford could be an excellent actor, in the right part. And this was definitely the right part. I think it's a powerful, well-acted film.

> {quote:title=FredCDobbs wrote:}{quote} > > {quote:title=ValentineXavier wrote:}{quote} > > You're right, we certainly wouldn't say "the lowest savage" today, but if you replace that with the word 'human,' it is quite true. > > I dont think we would want to say the lowest human today either... I meant replace the phrase "the lowest savage" with the word "human," not replace only the word savage. Sorry I was unclear.

> {quote:title=rosebette wrote:}{quote} > ... as Flynn telling Prince John that he speaks treason "fluently" Actually, Marion said to Robin "You speak treason." Robin replied "fluently." He did tell Prince John that he would organize a revolt against him.

You're right, we certainly wouldn't say "the lowest savage" today, but if you replace that with the word 'human,' it is quite true.

> {quote:title=Swithin wrote:}{quote} > Val, how do you feel about *Orpheus Descending*, the Williams play on which *The Fugitive Kind* was based, and how do you feel about adaptations of the Orpheus myth in general? There are so many plays, operas, films, dance works, inspired by that myth, which makes sense, because in many ways it's about the power of art. Do you also like *Black Orpheus* and the Cocteau trilogy? The Orpheus myth is one of my favorite themes in art. Didn't mean to neglect your question, I've been away for a few days. Cocteau's *Orpheus* is one of my favorite films, and I like all of the Orphic Trilogy. I have the Criterion set. Marcel Camus' *Black Orpheus* is a good film, many think great. Personally, it is a bit too stylized for my tastes. I haven't seen it in years, so I should probably revisit it. I have not read Orpheus Descending, so I can't say how well it was adapted to *The Fugitive Kind*, but given that Williams wrote the screen play, I would assume it was a reasonable adaptation. While I can easily see Brando as Orpheus descending into the hell of a small, racist southern town. After that, the Orpheus myth doesn't apply too well, to me. Perhaps if I did read Orpheus Descending...

You are entitled to your opinion. Some are offended when racism is exposed, and derided. Others are glad when it is exposed and derided.