ValentineXavier

Yes, I believe they did. At least, I saw it on cable last year.

> {quote:title=FredCDobbs wrote:}{quote} > > I agree that it's overrated. But it was rather influential. > Why do people say Bonnie and Clyde was "influential"? What films did it influence? From the wikipedia: >Influence > >Some critics cite Joseph H. Lewis's Gun Crazy, a 1950 film noir about a bank-robbing couple (also based loosely on the real Bonnie and Clyde), as a major influence on this film. Forty years after its premiere, Bonnie and Clyde has been cited as a major influence for such disparate films as The Wild Bunch, The Godfather, The Departed,[22] and Natural Born Killers.[23] Bonnie and Clyde were also the subject of a popular 1967 French pop song performed by Serge Gainsbourg and Brigitte Bardot. Some aspects of the Bollywood movie Bunty aur Babli are inspired by this movie. I'll admit that sounds a bit thin. Perhaps its biggest influence was to get people to say it was a big influence. I think Arthur Penn made better films, *Little Big Man*, and *Mickey One* being two of my favorites.

> {quote:title=MovieMadness wrote:}{quote} > > BTW you keep hearing that the rich keep getting richer, but nobody ever looks into the numbers. Today on a percentage basis the rich are the same as they were in 1922, that was before the talkies. > Yes, back in the days of the robber barons, back when the disparity of wealth was greater than it has been, until now. Back then, it lead to the great depression. The only countries with a more unequal distribution of wealth are a few despotic third world countries. The US is on its way to becoming a third world country, where the poor exist upon the sufferance of the wealthy, and the middle class in almost nonexistent. Unless we change things...

Thanks for the info. I would have guessed a daughter, or granddaughter, and I would have been wrong.

> {quote:title=rohanaka wrote:}{quote} > Val X.. love the quesadillas.. I make a similar one only minus the onion and heat.. w/ cheddar jack cheese and sliced tomatoes (ha.. don't tell Smileys) for my daughter (she tends to not handle the spice too well) I usually put them in the oven.. but microwave IS much faster I agree.. and when a good movie is on.. speed matters. > Yes, in the oven is definitely better. I do use the micro for speed, while a film is running. A warm griddle, or comal, is traditional, and best, but not common in most kitchens. I also like to slice up leftover stuff, and add it to the quesadillas. Steak is great, shrimp is fine, slices of left over broiled swordfish - the best!

> {quote:title=Filmgoddess wrote:}{quote} > > BONNIE AND CLYDE -- I just don't get it. I watched it (or tried to) again the other night for the first time in years and I just couldn't figure out why it has the reputation it does. > I agree that it's overrated. But it was rather influential. > 42nd STREET -- a musical? Where all the musical numbers are crammed into the last 10 minutes? Huh? Without the music it might have been a good movie. But a classic musical? Overrated IMHO. > I don't usually appreciate musicals, so maybe that's why I like it so much. I think it's great fun, stunning to look at. > THE GRAPES OF WRATH -- who needs sleeping pills? A total bore to me. Overly earnest, too long, dull, preachy, completely unrealistic. Because of it I will never have insomnia. > Love it, or hate it, it's so realistic that you could read all of its plot over and over, as stories in the newspapers of the time. I grew up in Oklahoma, and my parents lived through the Dust Bowl. If anything, it was worse than depicted. Preachy? Well, yes, it definitely has a POV and a message. Woody Guthrie condensed the book into a song titled Tom Joad. Steinbeck was jealous of Guthrie's ability to convey much of the book in a song. But, it's still a great film, highly evocative of the time. My three most overrated films: *Stagecoach* *GWTW* *Titanic* I've already railed enough about the other two elsewhere on the boards, so I'll just mention *Stagecoach*. *The Big Trail*, which came nine years earlier, was everything *Stagecoach* was supposed to be, and it was in an early widescreen process. *TBT* should have gotten all the kudos *Stagecoach* got, because it got there first, and that was the main claim to fame of *Stagecoach*. Although I think designating any film 'the best ever made,' etc., is pointless, and foolish, I think *Citizen Kane* deserves all the respect it gets. And, we'll remember *The Maltese Falcon* long after Schickel is forgotten, and rightly so!

*Captain Blood* and or *The Adventures of Robin Hood*. Both are great fun, irresistible swashbucklers, and also have a strong message about freedom, and opposing oppression.

> {quote:title=cigarjoe wrote:}{quote} >I would have responded sooner miswonderly but I didn't see it, I don't check the general discussions all that often. The actual title is *Bicycle Thieves*, though,... From its original release in the US and UK, until quite recently, it was called The Bicycle Thief, so you'll have to pardon those of us who continue to use the name it had for most of our lives. Seriously, you don't go to General Discussions that often? That's where most of the action on this board is!

> {quote:title=misswonderly wrote:} > (Don't even get me started on how people confuse "affect" - verb - and "effect" - noun.) > Affect and effect are both both verbs and nouns, and have long been. People are always confusing them. Effect, as a verb, means to cause to come into being. Affect, as a verb, means to influence, or to feign. My pet peeve is the misuse of reference, usually 'referenced' as a verb. It is a verb, but it doesn't mean to refer to, which is how most people use it. Its accurate meaning: Definition of REFERENCE transitive verb 1 a : to supply with references b : to cite in or as a reference 2 : to put in a form (as a table) adapted to easy reference

Two Coffin Joe films: *At Midnight, I'll Take Your Soul* *This Night I Will Possess Your Corpse* My favorite Halloween film: *Suspiria* Favorite classic horror film: *Bride of Frankenstein* Favorite 40's horror film *Dead of Night* Favorite modern horror film: *Haunted* (1995) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113269/

> {quote:title=MovieMadness wrote:}{quote} > > {quote:title=ValentineXavier wrote:}{quote} > > .... that corporations have much too much control of our government > This whole Occupy Wall Street thing is started to look like a corporation trying to control our government. I thought they were an unfocused, disorganized mob, with no clear goals. And now, they're looking like a corporation? I'm not sure whether OWS, or the megacorps, should be more offended by that...

I'm not sure I can say they are their single finest performances, but they are excellent, in a truly unsettling film. I agree, it is not to be missed.

Okay, here's my recipe for the quickest snack you can make, while a TCM movie is playing, and not miss much. It's quickie quesadillas. Take three, or four corn tortillas, and spread them out on a dinner plate. Only three will fit on most plates. Put a slice of Munster cheese on each. If you want to be authentic, you can use queso fresco, or Chihuahua cheese. (Do you know how many chihuahuas they have to milk to make a pound?) Spread chili powder liberally on the cheese. (I make my own chili powder, cleaning and grinding together five varieties of dried chilis - ancho, negro, mulatto, guajillo, and chipotle.) Spread a little chopped onion on the cheese. You can add a few drops of your favorite hot sauce, if you like. Place another slice of cheese on top of each. Place in microwave for about four minutes. (In mine, it's 4. You just want the cheese well melted.) Remove, fold them over, and eat! Yummy, in about 7 minutes, if you have the ingredients handy. Do it while they're talking in the movie, and there isn't much action.

Caligula was probably, strictly speaking, more like Hitler than Clark. Hitler was totally in charge of all the Nazis. Sure, they had individual ambitions, but Hitler was the top dog, without question. In Babylon 5, Clark most definitely isn't the top dog. He is subservient to the Shadows. They could replace him, if they wanted to.

No doubt a lot of us would be horrified if TCM didn't run five nights of horror in October.

Oh, never mind... deleted to cover up brain ****... Edited by: ValentineXavier on Oct 18, 2011 12:33 AM

Mostly I agree with what you say, so just a couple of comments - Cartagia is as you say, but he was clearly modeled on Caligula. I have no problem calling him a villain, even though he was insane. Bester, I think, is less influenced by Clark than you think. Of course, he is ostensibly ruled by Clark, but he is his own person, with his own aims. He is power-hungry, and will stop at nothing to protect and further his vision of the Psy Corps. Remember the trainees, who casually discuss spacing mundanes? In today's hyperbole, they were a major part of the "Axis of Evil."

Maureen O'Sullivan Myrna Loy Jean Rogers in the first Flash Gordon serial Jean Arthur the young Barbara Stanwyck Ella Raines

Burt also wore lifts. I had a pair of western boots made by the Ammons Boot company in El Paso, Texas, back in the late 80s, or early 90s. When I was in to be measured for the boots, they told me that Burt and Marilou Henner had their boots made there. They claimed that Burt insisted on really high lifts in his boots, and called them his "man makers."

Well, you could. I can't, because I don't have a computer at home, and I won't, because I like to watch a good picture on my 56" DLP set. I do have *TGK* on DVD, and will soon have *TGfH* on DVD.

I love *The Lady From Shanghai*, but I don't think it is one of Welles' very best. I still place *Touch of Evil* as his best, and *CK* second. However, *TLFS* is one of his most entertaining.

> {quote:title=FredCDobbs wrote:}{quote}I just finished watching "This Gun for Hire" with Allen Ladd and Veronica Lake. I recorded it off old AMC about 15 years ago. > > I'm just starting "The Mask of Fu Manchu", recorded off of TCM back when they had the "Sunny Side of Life" intros to films. *TMoFM*, Myrna Loy at her fiendish best... I saved that one on DVD. I have *TGfH* on SVHS, but I can wait a few days to see it on TCM again.

There are a couple of rare Nick Ray films coming up in Oct., *We Can't Go Home Again* http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075414/ and a new doc, *Don't Expect Too Much* http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2043829/ There's almost no info about them on the TCM site, but the IMDb has some. Scroll down to the 'user' description for *WCGHA*. Jim Jarmusch is in the doc. It's made by Susan Ray, who I assume is a relative.

To put it simply, Howard's situation was beyond 'grin and bear it.' He had to laugh to bear it.

To me, the point was that he had really been driven crazy, by all that stuff he 'wasn't going to take any more,' even as that became his shtick. So, I think his meltdown was genuine, even though he 'used' it.