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Thank you, Clore. I, too, like Seven Ways From Sundown. In fact I like most of the 1950's Murphy Westerns. His characters and the take on familiar plots were always off beat and interesting. He was making them at Universal and Columbia at the same time Randolph Scott was at Columbia and Warners and Budd Boetticher was directing most of them as well. Perhaps this explains why most of them are worth watching. I?ll be home Sunday afternoon to catch He Rides Tall.

Back in December I put a movie I thought was called Taggart on this list largely because of Dan Duryea's performance as the bad guy gunman. Tony Young was the lead and Elsa Cardenas had the movie's female role. I think it came out about 1964 or 1965. I notice Encore Westerns has a movie scheduled for 4:50 Sunday afternoon titled He Rides Tall from 1964 also starring Young and Duryea. Is this my movie with a different title or one I have missed? If it's mine, no way am I going to miss it. If not, maybe I'll discover a new favorite as you never know til you watch. Let me know if you have the answer to my question and thanks.

CineMaven, Miss Goddess, Windy 1: "Cuddles" Sakall never failed to make me laugh and proved there was a palce in the Western for everybody. I have seen the What a Character piece on him several times and was delighted to learn what wonderful people his wife and he were off camera. His characters often showed courage and resolve behind the comedy as in San Antonio. Again, a newcomer to America seemed to represent out spirit better than some of us natives. As for Rosemary DeCamp, I can remember her with her baby daughter praising Borax products on Death Valley Days and playing the big sister on The Bob Cummings Show. As for movies, there's Night Into Morning and 13 Ghosts for starters. I could always recognize her voice as no one else sounded quite like she did. A few years ago I read where her biography or autobiography went for a big sum on the Internet. I would have read it. Good picks, Gang!

Well, I saw it. I give it the same two stars the cable rater did. Some interesting sports but not something I would deliberately seek out again. For the record, the ?Indians? won. Will Sampson steals the movie. The last image I had before going to sleep was that wonderful face framed by loose braids, stony yet also so expressive. The actor who played Sitting Bull was a hoot, he might have been a legal prisoner but inside he was freer than any white man in the story. The show as presented is a cliche of every bad Indian story you?ve ever seen. The real ones performing are treated as idiots. One dies in an accident and it?s just ?too bad but that?s life?. Cody or his boss gets angry when the whole thing is called a circus. That?s nicer than what I was thinking. Two scenes got my goat. Sitting Bull is introduced as ?having killed more white men and ruined more white women than any other Indian?. This sounded very much like the slurs leveled against freed Black salves at the time and were equally insulting to Native Americans. I?m betting the claims were patently bogus but fed into the ignorance and prejudice of the times. Towards the end, Sitting Bull crashes a party for newlywed President Cleveland to request his help with a ?small matter?. The President squirms out of it by suggesting he take it to his agent. When Sitting Bull says that has already been tried and failed, the Prez says that only proves it is an impossible task and leaves. We never learn what the ?matter? was. Again, the dignity of the NAs wins out over Anglo arrogance. All of them, Cody included, care nothing about them except for how much money and fame they can help them achieve. Paul Newman is a surprise. He is so covered with facial hair and make-up you almost can?t recognize him. This helps you see Cody, not him. He plays him as increasingly unlikable. FredC, I didn't? notice the bad color you spoke of but the credits were totally unreadable. Of course, if I had been a part of it I?m not sure I?d want it known. Again, it has its moments but is nothing to write home about.

Mosey over to the Westerns forum and click the Western Rambles thread. We started talking about Richard Boone and of course Have Gun, Will Travel came up as well as Steve McQueen and Wanted Dead or Alive. In the First Rate Second Bananas thread they have some great pics and words about Ray Teal of Bonanza. For an "off" topic, we are fast turning into tribbles getting into everything. Amen!

Jack: I have a trivia question about Betty Garde. I know she is the lady across the hall from Lois Nettleton in The Twilight Zone episode "Land of the Midnight Sun". She is also listed in the cast of another one, "Odyssey of Flight 133", but I can't place her in that one. She looks too old to be playing the "Stew" as this was only two years earlier. This has always puzzled me. So you've going to discover Ray Teal? Great! He's the guy who gets beaten up by Fred and Homer in The Best Years of Our Lives for bad mouthing our being in the War and was a part of the Warner Western ?reparatory company? of the 50's-60's. He played outlaws and sheriffs with equal believability. Again, it was Bonanza that introduced me to him, recognizing his vast body of work came later. Speaking of Bonanza, my roomie has a History Channel piece about Chinese gangs on now and it sounds like one of them is named Hop Sing. Of course that was the cook Victor Sen Yung played on the show and I wondering if my ears are playing tricks on me. The roomie doesn't?t know what I?m talking bout so no help there. Edited by: wouldbestar on Jul 23, 2010 11:30 PM I'm going to add L. Q. Jones since he came up on another thread. Another Western veteran from Cheyenne to The Virginian and a lot of other shows and movies. He was cute rather than handsome back then but he could have had my number any time. Later on, he was a pretty good villain and tried directing with A Boy and His Dog. He's still around to enjoy the praise so " Thanks a lot!" Edited by: wouldbestar on Jul 24, 2010 10:30 AM I can't believe this! I just saw Caged which left me drained and speechless when I saw it as a teen. Of course I knew Eleanor Parker and Hope Emerson were in it but almost dropped my coffee cup when I saw that Kitty was Betty Garde which proved real life beats fiction any day. She was tremendous and held her own with the Oscar nominated Parker and Emerson. Throw in Agnes Morehead, Lee Patrick, Jan Sterling, Ellen Corby, and Olive Deering and you have Acting Clinic 101. Nice surprise.

Okay, Valentine, That's somebody new for me to meet. Always ready to do that. Thanks! Edited by: wouldbestar on Jul 23, 2010 11:06 PM

A Boy and His Dog from 1975 with Don Johnson. I just found a thread for it in the Cult Movie forum and found out it was written directed by L. Q. Jones, one of my favorite Western good old boys. It was the only one he tried; you might as well quit while you're ahead. Edited by: wouldbestar on Jul 23, 2010 11:19 PM

Goddess: You'll have another chance if you have Encore Westerns. This episode ran Wednesday morning but they also run shows at about 6:30PM and that round is a week or so later than the morning's. Keep looking!

But I would really love to see a film about the marriage of Norma Shearer and Irving Thalberg. I'll second that, ClassicViewer! I remember Robert Evans playing Thalberg in Man of a Thousand Faces and the almost reverent way he is spoken of by entertainment people. The marriage with Norma Shearer seems to have been a real love story as well. The films he produced speak for themselves. That he overcame childhood illness only to die at a young age as well as the rest seem to make an interesting film. If it happens, for Heaven's sake plese do it right.

movieman: I saw that one, too. It was strange that they made it at the end of the series rather than earlier. It was also interesting that Boone's character, whatever his real name was and having been a West Point trained soldier, was rather aimless before he met Smoke. What a shock to find that his employer, not Smoke, was the real villain. Like DeNiro in The Mission, he tries to make up for the wrong by becoming more like Smoke. Jack: I saw WDOA again back in the 80's and had forgotten who funny it was at times. McQueen was a born comedian who put humor in his toughest dramatic roles like Josh Randall or Vin in The Magnificent Seven. I disagree about the "standard" part; both shows were well written and involved moral choice which Westerns and Si-Fi seem to do best. Is it that we don't want to confront them in our own modern lives so we morph them into the past or future? I remember The Equalizer and that it was controversial while it was on. Robert was a former spy turned modern day Paladin and had a broken family in his past. His methods were unorthodox at times. The show ran four years so it hit a chord with people afraid or crime but with little trust in the law or enforcement. Are we stealing from the Classic TV thread further down?

Thank you for this thread. I don?t believe in ?type? as I think people of every walk of life look, act, and speak differently. Not all doctors have sexy ?bedside manner?, all lawyers aren?t as eloquent as Atticus Finch, and not all CPA?s are mousy nerds. I suppose having attractive leads feeds into the escapism that many movies are about but I can?t help but wonder about careers that would have been longer and more fulfilling for the actors had they been seen as more than just a certain ?type?. Or am I being unrealistic?

I can't agree with you regarding the Out of the Past "remake", Against All Odds. It's quite a different movie from the original. The cast is great; Jeff Bridges, James Woods, Richard Widmark, and a chance to see how Jane Griever aged out so gracefully. The theme is one of the great 80's tunes and Phil Collins's best. You get to cook up your own ending as well as Rachel Ward lives through this one and whether they ever get back together is up to your imagination. Nothing beats Mitchum, Greer, Fleming and the gang but standing alone both are good. Edited by: wouldbestar on Jul 23, 2010 10:24 PM

cinemafan: Izcutter's not the only one. I'm a Mad Men fan too and can't wait for Sunday night when the new season kicks off. It's AMC at ten so give it a try. I realize commercials and TV sponsorships exist to get us to buy, buy, buy the products and it's fun to see how the ad agencies on Madison Avenue tried to get us to do that back then-and now. The thing is, I rarely buy based on an ad. I might like one I see but get what I can afford or what my local stores have to offer. Sorry, all you real Dons out there.

Has anybody seen Buffalo Bill and the Indians? It's on Encore Westerns tomorrow as part of Paul Newman day. It looks interesting. I'm hoping it's an accurate account of his "Wild West Show" and how it colored our perception of the West then and now.

I lot of recent movies have no cc and this is a big drawback for me as advancing age has made this more and more a necessity. Unless I'm wrong doesn't the studio or network have to pay a bundle of money for this? Perhaps one of your shorts can explain this the way you do letterboxing. I don't want to shoot the wrong messenger.

Jack, what I meant was very often the ideas or opinions I read really stop me short and cause me to rethink mine. Sometimes they seem from left field or an idea I didn?t see coming. I don?t think of this as a ?smack down? but an education. I wouldn?t enter the fray if I didn?t want to hear what others think. In your case I have a different set of ?cliff notes? to add to my own and use to evaluate the programs. If I come to see them more as you do, it?s not because you bullied me into it but shared them with me and I came to agree with you. For the record, Frank G is one of the people I like reading. If he gets under my skin that?s okay; he?s never crude or off-color. As Brick says to Leslie in Giant ?We like vinegar in our greens in Texas? it gives them flavor?. Bring them-and Frank-on.

The first time I saw it I didn't either. When I saw her name in the credits the next time and realized it was her, I was stunned. She was not Miss Universe beautiful but had a more interesting beauty and talent to match. Love the movie, too.

Thank you, Jack. I think you stated your case better than I did mine. That's why I was going to give the show another go-round as I might see it differently. Your reply insures that I have to looking at it through your eyes as well as mine. I am constantly being challenged by you all and while it often lands me on my bottom with my head spinning, I appreciate it. I usually come out with a different respective. I might not be able to change my mind regarding the core aspect of a thing but at least I see where the other side is coming from and have a truer picture of the issue.

You're right about that. The line to the hooker about not going to hell for not trying made him sound like the kid with his hand in the cookie jar. You knew what he was doing wasn't exactly moral but the way he said it made it not seem so naughty. I never knew who he was until I read about his possible Oscar win for The Last Picture Show in LIFE magazine and saw the movie. It was too risque for me-and when I tried again awhile back still is-but Ben just stole my heart and I was rooting for his win. Breakheart Pass finished the job and it seems I kept noticing him in so many old movies, mostly Ford/Wayne/McLaughlin Westerns. That voice just dripped comfort and charm weather he was good or bad. Nobody like him before or since.

Somebody needs to tip off JackFavell and arlenemccarthy about this movie. Both leads redheads-they'll flip. I'd only seen it once before and though "Augh!". I gave it a second shot Wednesday and appreciated it a bit more. It is definately a 60's film per it's costumes and music. In most movies you only have to save the world once, they had to do it twice. I vote for the wide screen version, too.

Anybody who sees The Tall T will be in for an interesting film. It is not a pleasant little time filler but a very gritty story. You're not really certain if you like Scott's character for much of the film which makes the battle of will with Boone's so interesting. As with Hombre and 10 Wanted Men Boone steals or nearly steals the show from lead characters. In the latter, Leo Gordon is a saint next to him. One of the great movie nastys. This might belong to the Classic TV thread but I've been watching Have Gun, Will Travel on Encore Westerns as a adult and find "hero" Paladin not far removed from Boone's villain roles. He's the star of the show, elegant and cultured when in San Francisco but, be honest, a paid mercenary out on the prairie. In the movies above it's easy to remember he's a savage under all the civilized veneer but on TV we're supposed to root for him and sometimes that's difficult. They're almost at the series end now and I might look them over a second time to see if I change my mind but now I find it unsettling. The thing is I had never heard of him until the show. Later when NBC began running Fox films on Saturday nights I saw he was to them what John McIntire was to U-I; the go to man for just about any role that needed to be filled. TV didn't just make new stars but introduced us then young folks to older ones we needed to meet. Walter Brennan-aka Amos McCoy- was another. "You mean he has 3 Oscars? Gee wiz, Mom!" Edited by: wouldbestar on Jul 22, 2010 1:05 PM Thank you all for the wonderful stills from Sgt. Rutledge. I can almost watch the movie whenever I want.

I saw Breakheart Pass last night and in it Ben Johnson has a line that makes this "White Eyes" woman cringe. It sums up the Native American's relationship with most of the whites pretty simply. It went something like this: "When you tell an Indian that things are going to go a certain way that's kind of how they expect it to be. When it dosen't they have a tendency to think they've been crossed up." In that case most of them have been cross-pun intended-for quite a while. That's why I wanted to hide, there was a lot of truth in those few words. Edited by: wouldbestar on Jul 22, 2010 1:23 PM

Wow! Ishstar and Heaven's Gate, two of the most vilified movies in history, making our list! Might they some day be talked about in milder terms than the ones we can't repeat here? I've never seen Ishstar but will give it a look when I can. I curse Heaven's Gate for what it could and should have been but praise it too as I found a lot to like as well. Obviously a take on the Johnson County Range War it does show us that all of the West wasn't golden.

I saw what has always been a favorite movie, Broken Arrow, yesterday. I don?t seem to be able to view any film with Native Americans in it the same after this thread and now find I have some questions regarding authenticity. The fringe and beaded dresses worn by Debra Paget and the other women characters are beautiful showing dexterity and artistic creativity but are they accurate? And what are they supposed to be made of? Two things come to mind: They look to be leather but this is the New Mexico/Arizona territory. Isn?t much of it desert? If so, it?s very hot. How did that work? I would think that type of clothing would work better on the plains where it was cold much of the time. The men seem to be wearing some kind of cloth shirts as well as skin which would seem to make sense. Secondly, I question the white dress of the wedding. That seems to be an attempt to pander to the white wedding gowns of us white folks rather than show what a real Apache bride might wear. If I am off base, I want to know and get the truth. Thanks for any reply.