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If you're a *Cheyenne* fan you'll notice that this sounds like "Mountain Fortress", the first episode. The show did the same thing with other WB Western feature films. Also, James Garner said in his book they used some footage in a *Maverick* episode and even had him wearing Errol Flynn's costume so everything would match. I've never seen this but now want to.
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Clore: I still can't believe it! I hit the link for *Coroner's Creek* and after that went to check out another film I haven't seen. On the list at the right of other available movies was *Buchanan Rides Alone.* The gunman hasn't lived who fired his pistol as fast as I clicked my mouse. A double feature there and now. I hit the spot for full screen and sat back. I 've got a lot to say about both and will when I have it put together. Thank you!{font:Times New Roman}Okay, let’s start with *Coroner’s Creek.* What a find this was!{font}
{font:Calibri}It’s one of the most beautifully photographed movies I’ve ever seen. Mountains, rivers, forests and the town were breathtaking. I’ve seen a lot of Columbia Westerns over the past few weeks and the studio seems to have been lucky in where it was located in that regard. I’ve always liked the vibrancy of color and beauty of terrain in WB Westerns but realized that the more muted ones here were more realistic just by looking around my own house. I can just picture some blown up stills hanging on my wall.{font}
{font:Calibri}The story does seem like a prelude to the Scott/ Boetticher films that came later but was less intense and the moral questions less probing. Whether revenge is ever right was the main theme but here we stopped thinking simply went along with the flow. {font}
{font:Calibri}The relationships between the three women-a female rancher, hotel owner and an abused alcoholic wife-all unusual roles for female Western characters-were well written and played. I liked how they all came together at the end and were ready to fight for their town the same as the men. How did they get away with this back in the 40s? {font}
{font:Calibri}Did I really see William Bishop being a good guy and probably Della’s next conquest since she lost our Randy to the hotel owner? He became such an out-and-out villain in so many films later on.
I also watched Rin Tin Tin and remember Joe Sawyer and James Brown and how surprised I was to find out how long they'd been around. In the early 60's Brown remade a couple of Columbia Westerns show on Encore; I can't think of the titles right now.
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The rest of the film might have been muted but you all were right about George Macready’s eyes: they were blue and startling. He was quite convincing as the cad. I also never realized how handsome Forrest Tucker was when young. I remember his being the hero of *Jubilee Trail* but not looking that good.
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{font:Calibri}Who was the outlaw with the moustache and high staccato voice? I think he was the director in *Singin in the Rain.*{font}
{font:Calibri}This was a really good film. Maybe Roy Huggins was right to quit while he was ahead.{font}
{font:Calibri}Then came *Buchanan.* I had read all your postings but it still was not what I expected. It was the red-headed stepchild of the S/B films but worth the wait.{font}
{font:Calibri}It was lighter than the others while still full of interesting characters and odd situations. I loved Peter Whitney getting a chance to be amusing for a change and being a real part of the story. Tol Avery and Barry Kelley were in countless WB movies and TV shows, as was Whitney. Of course, I loved L. Q. Jones as Pecos and should have known he’d get it before the end. I know he still got to me. I guess it was poetic justice that Craig Stevens’ character ended up running the town and it was probably better for it. Scott did seem more animated and jovial in this role than usual. That’s not a knock just an appreciation of his showing a different aspect to his movie persona. I liked the film.{font}
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Thank you so much for this article that we can all relate to. The places where we can get film for our 35mm cameras and have it developed are decreasing every day. The ones left say they lose money doing it and recommend switching to digital. For many of us that is harder than it seems. We’ve gone from VCR to DVD to Blueray in just 30 years with new machinery needed to play each type. Some stores now just carry Blueray which means Movies Unlimited is getting a lot of my business. My home theater has a built in DVD player and radio but I might need to get sound and players separate in the near future.
Films will be lost. Even now the ones available on the existing disc systems are chosen on the basis of which ones will sell the most rather than artistic quality. When your VCR tape of your favorite little gem is gone so is it.
Edited by: wouldbestar on Apr 30, 2012 6:06 PM
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markfp2: ; Just when I was thinking how ridiculous this thread was you come up with this history of the two terms and how they related to movie going at the time. Now when I watch any of these movies with breaks with I'll think of that red curtain from many Fox films opening and closing ( *How to Marry a Millionaire* comes to mind) and get the feeling of being back then.
You're right about those 70s folks confusion being understandable. I still have problems navigating my computer and TV/home theater equipment.
Edited by: wouldbestar on Apr 30, 2012 5:04 PM
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{font:}Milledgeville was once the state capital of Georgia before somebody got the idea to move it to Terminus aka Atlanta. That shot by the water tells me they need to bring it back there. I can hardly believe such places still exist. {font}
{font:}Both Savannah and Macon are filled with beautiful buildings Sherman didn’t get to. I think Valdosta still has the home of its most famous-or infamous-citizen, Doc Holliday. I remember going to Kentucky on a family vacation in 1958 and falling in love with Perry-not the one in Florida-where we stopped for a picnic lunch on the way. Yes, I’m a Gator but apart from the week of the Florida-Georgia game it’s hard to hate such lovely geography. {font}
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{font:Calibri}I wrote this on Friday but sever sent it for some reason. Please forgive any redundancy.
All of these ideas are sensational and would enliven the festival. That's why it keeps growing.
I like the 1963 idea, the detective, and blacklist themes the best. I just took James Garner’s book back to the library-it’s worth buying-and he would be an excellent contributor if you could convince him we really do want to hear what he has to say. In addition to *The Great Escape* he also played *Marlowe* so he qualifies on two themes.{font}
{font:Calibri}I did not know that James Cromwell was John’s son or that the father had blacklist problem. Michael Wilson’s story would be new to me as well. To those who think it’s old news and should be given a rest, this is why we can’t. The ripples are still being felt.{font}
{font:Calibri}Wide screen sounds great for those wonderful movie palaces and even though they’ve been featured at other Festivals you have to throw in at least one. {font}
{font:Calibri}Harry Carey, Jr.? YES! He could talk about anything he wanted and I’d listen. I'd also be interested in an exhibit of all the color processes from the beginning to now if possible. Lynn, is there no end to your great ideas? {font}
{font:Calibri}I’d love to stand by Jon Hamm but doubt his SO would let me too long-seriously if he is one of us *Executive Suite* or *The Man in the Grey Flannel Suit* would be good choices for him to comment on while Robert Morse does the same with *HTSIBWRT.* {font}
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{font:Times New Roman}?:| Jake: You and the others are turning me inside out with all these photos of those beautiful Southern mansions, epically Booker T. Washington’s. {font}
{font:Times New Roman}I think I said before that I’d watched the A&E *America’s Castles* shows but always felt guilty admiring the Southern homes because I knew the money used to build and furnish them was really made, as well as the construction done, by people who received next to nothing for the work and had no say in whether they did it. The shell, breathtaking as they were, could not hide the corruption inside.{font}
{font:Times New Roman}Some of the pastel colored homes look as if they came later so I’m hoping they were built for pride in work and not forced labor. The Florida mansions are unnerving because I wouldn’t mind living in a few of them and I hate Florida weather most of the year. (I can’t “go back where I came from” as I’m a native). Be careful when you say you’re open to new views as you never know when life will take you up on that. Seriously, I hope you all keep them coming as I do enjoy seeing structures that are truly works of art as these are. {font}
{font:Times New Roman}Again, thank you for the photo of my “white elephant” which it looks big enough to be. When I was there I couldn’t get the whole building in one shot so I had the dome, doors and sides and would try to put them together without success. That and discovering the “second First surprise” lz graciously posted for you all to see made my weekend. {font}
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{font:Times New Roman}Jack, clore, movieman and fred: Just a thought but is there a possibility that *The Walking Hills* and *Coroner’s Creek* are available on Youtube or Hulu? I checked them out and found a trailer for *The Walking Hills* and some Randolph Scott films from the mid-30s to the late 40’s I’d not yet seen but can. I’m not too good at using these systems yet but you more savvy folks might succeed. I know it’s not the same as a TV screen but there aren’t ads every ten minutes and Jack and I would get to see what we’re missing.{font}
{font:Times New Roman}Thank you, fred, for identifying George Macready for me. I’ve seen his name on countess movie and TV credits but couldn’t match his name to a face. The next time I watch *Gilda* I can and take it from there. {font}
{font:Times New Roman}Jack: I’ve always been a Scott fan and *Sundown* has always been a favorite along with *Westbound* and *Comanche Station.* Until I joined the Board I never* *realized how much Budd Boetticher had to do with their quality as well as the sometimes offbeat ones he did with Audie Murphy. You all have made me appreciate the ones I’ve seen so much that it’s hard to say I like one over the other anymore. It’s like your children; you love them all but in different ways because they’re different. Of course, I still have to see *Buchanan* to be able to say I’ve seen them all. I’ve been enlightened today and hope I’ve returned the favor. {font}
Edited by: wouldbestar on Apr 29, 2012 8:26 PM
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Yes, Lynn, this is the one Google and Wiki turned up. Both buildings are beautiful in their own ways. Isn't it odd how that left side leans in at the top?It gets to me that our laws were once so twisted that each race had to have a "first church" epically since a number of passages in the NT insist that we are all equal before God and the message was meant for everybody. I guess in some places they still do. Shooting ourselves in the foot causes more harm than others ever can. Thank you for doing what I couldn't.
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:0 Jake: Is this *The Twilight Zone* or what? This is the building that I wanted to see but when I followed your now edited-out advice and went to Wikipedia I got a shock. There are two First Baptist Churches in Montgomery and they gave me the one on North Ripley Street. It has minarets but is red brick, is a Black congregation and was very big in the civil rights movement.
I was able to download a picture for my computer but could not for the thread. I am a total klutz in this department. It's worth putting here to be fair to both buildings and the people they serve as well as be a reminder of what things used to be like. That's all I'll say about that!
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{font:Times New Roman}As the timid little guy says in the cartoons: {font}
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{font:Times New Roman} {font}{font:Times New Roman}All I know is that I’m able to see films on TCM I can’t anywhere else but maybe Fox or Flex with no commercials. According to my tastes some are better than others but I’ve had the chance to find out. {font}
{font:Times New Roman} {font}{font:Times New Roman}Notice I said my tastes. Others might feel differently about these films and tell me I’m full of it. That’s their right as is mine to defend my picks. I don’t care what year the film was made as quality is ageless. Perhaps some of us old folks need to be reminded that some of the people who watched classic era films had the desire to make more of the same and a few succeeded. And what rulebook says only b&w films are classic? That leaves out the pride of Ted Turner and-I’m told-the first film ever shown, *Gone with the Wind, r*ight there+.+ Should they give back all those Oscars it won? {font}
{font:Times New Roman} {font}{font:Times New Roman}Sometimes I am concerned that TCM might turn into an AMC but believe its assurances that that’s not the plan. Also there are only a certain number of films from the 20s-50s left available for showing and like that Confederate money in the museums getting harder to preserve. They’re not all great but also they’re all we have of a heritage that America seemed best able to develop. The alternative is no TCM at all. Then we’ll all have reason for flames. {font}
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B-) Thank you, mongo, for letting me see what Lionel Barrymore looked like as a younger man. I still would have picked him over John; his face is handsome but friendly and he looks like somebody you would feel comfortable with. It was also nice to see Sidney Toler without his Charlie Chan makeup.
Add to that three talented ladies-it's a good day for Hollywood.
Edited by: wouldbestar on Apr 28, 2012 3:15 PM
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{font:Times New Roman}Jack and Miss Goddess: I don’t know if I have a “favorite” Scott/ Boetticher movie anymore because there are all good in different ways. I’ve seen them all but *Buchanan Rides Alone* and am just waiting for the chance. Except for *Westbound* they have unusual endings that you don’t expect and not really the “happy” one we get used to. {font}
{font:Times New Roman} {font}{font:Times New Roman}*Sundown* has the strangest. The “villain” leaves town with the woman who really loves him at his side while the “hero” leaves alone and bitter with his only real friend dead and his illusions about his late wife shattered. The town gets some self-respect back but not in time to save an innocent man. Only the doctor and bartender can hold up their heads. The doc gets the only things he really wants, Lucy and the town’s regeneration. {font}
{font:Times New Roman} {font}{font:Times New Roman}I haven’t seen *Comanche Station* in a while and that’s another end you don’t see coming. Scott’s working with Nancy Gates and Claude Akins this time around but it’s a good combination. I don’t remember all of *Hangman’s Knot* but fredbaetz wouldn’t steer you wrong. It’s another for the “must see list”. {font}
Edited by: wouldbestar on Apr 28, 2012 2:55 PM
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ERROL23 wrote: This my favorite Bogart film. Nobody was better at Noir than Bogie.
This is my favorite Lizabeth Scott film. It keeps you guessing as to whose side she will be on at the end. Bogie is also great, he is the biggest name in the cast but his character blends in with the rest rather than shout out "star" with the rest in the background. I'd love to see it again.
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I've just spent another evening in *Sundown* with Mr. Scott and am waiting for a movie about Custer, *The Great Sioux Massacre*, later on. I've not yet seen it but the trailer looks like it's a more realistic version and is sympathetic to the N/As. In one scene Darren McGavin asks how the whites can expect respect from the "Indians" when it is not returned so it looks promising. It's scheduled for 11 on Encore Westerns. I hate to seen like a traitor to TCM but sometimes some of the other guys come out on top.
I did watch *Massacre* and it was okay but less than I hoped for. As with most stories made about real events it's hard to seperate fact from fiction. I've decided that no matter what you call this incident in American history it, like the OK Corral, might never be told truthfully. This is sad because we should know why so many men died and if it didn't have to happen who caused it and for what reasons. Perhaps it's too late to know for certain.
Edited by: wouldbestar on Apr 28, 2012 2:02 PM
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bOb39: Scott ended up with the widow and her son and they stayed in Oklahoma to run the bank while Gabby went to California. You knew Cheyenne wouldn't get him having been an outlaw but the way she tells Madge what she'd do for him if the man loved her makes you root for her. At least she wakes Madge up to what she might end up losing. I like Anne Jeffreys so I might be biased but I think Jacqueline White was also the real mob wife in *The Narrow Margin *so she had at least one other good role.
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{font:}Deputy lanetemple: When I saw your “pen name” I immediately recognized it as John Smith’s character in Cimarron City. Because that show only ran one season and is pretty much forgotten that, along with your photograph collection, tells me you must be a really die hard Western fan. You may correct me if my deduction is in error. I hope not as it’s always nice to run into another Western lover one even if only on line. While we might not agree on Ms. Bacall, I’m certain we will on others. If this isn’t the most active of the forums it’s mighty close and always interesting.. {font}
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Further down the thread I mentioned possibly investing in a stovetop smoker as I can’t do it outside where I’m at. I did and made my first rack of ribs yesterday. I shared it with a couple of friends and we proved that *Alamo* guy wrong about “hog” not being good meat. I can now heartily recommend the Nordic Ware Kettle.{font}{font:} {font}{font:}It comes with a thermometer, drip pan, instruction/recipe book and wood slivers which you can reorder in various woods from the maker on line. You need a range with an overhead exhaust and you use the large burner. If you’ve got an old-style range cover the area around the burner with foil to keep it from turning yellow under the smoker. {font}
{font:} {font}{font:}You can dry or steam smoke your food. The ribs cooked in 2 ½ hours, were moist, tender and had a nice smokey flavor from apple and hickory woods. I am going to try some chicken breasts next. {font}
{font:} {font}{font:}Nordic Ware sells it online for $99.00 and s/h charges. You can also use Stoneberry or Fingerhut for $79.00 and pay upfront rather than in installments. There’s still s/h but with the discount it’s like getting that free. It comes in brownish red and looks as good as it works.{font}
{font:} {font}{font:}The wood company makes a flatter one for less but I’ll stick with mine. It will definitely get used. {font}
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Why do you dislike the casting of Lauren Bacall so strongly?
Of the other ladies you mentioned I would most like to see Marie Windsor in the part as she rarely got such a juicy role in so good a picture. Mss. Page and Dru would also have been good choices for their talent and the nostalgia effect. Wayne and Neal were always a good combination as well and a good alternative to the overused Maureen O'Hara. Joan O'Brien never made much of an impression on me outside of *The Alamo* and, sinse her career was so short, not many other folks as well.
I actually liked Bacall as Mrs Rogers who was a no-nonsense woman being in charge when that was hard for a woman to do. She had backbone but was capable of understanding as well. A widow and divorcee with three children she knew where Mrs. Rogers was coming from and her performance showed that.
Okay, you have Hayward, Bouchey and Roberson, where are Worden and Johnson? Put the rest up when your ex-wife visits again as they are keepers.
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Movieman and fred: I do remember the discussions about *The Tall T* and *Seven Men from Now;* in fact I was in on them. Again, I can only go back to January, 2011 before getting knocked out of the thread. That’s because this is such a heavily posted one. Others I can access three or five years back if they’re not so heavily used. I love both movies especially Lee Marvin in *Seven Men;* you regret his getting killed at the end even if he is an outlaw. This is why Marvin is an Oscar-winning actor; he often gives his villains shades of vulnerability that make you like them in spite of their evildoings. *The Tall T’s* Richard Boone is in this same league but Pernell Roberts pales in comparison to either one; all I saw was a smug grin, an air of arrogance but little substance. I had the same feeling watching him on *Bonanza* and *Trapper John.* {font}{font:Times New Roman}The only other Scott film I need to see is *Buchanan Rides Alone* which has been discussed on the thread quite a bit. I guess that will come in time. {font}
Edited by: wouldbestar on Apr 25, 2012 7:43 PM
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Regarding: *Ride Lonesome:* I tried to review all the postings I'd read about this movie but the computer would not let me go back that far so if this is redundant I'm sorry.
First, the cast. Scott, Van Cleef, Best, Coburn, and Roberts all in one film and mostly making believable and interesting characters-you don't have it come together like this that often. A story you think you have all figured out and then they hit you with an ending that you don't expect but can through approve of. The scenery fits the tone of the story and is beautiful without being garish. And they did all this in less than 90 minutes-a lesson for those who think overblown stuff with no substance is the way to go.
Okay, here goes: I don't think Karen Steele was all that bad. After she was panned so strongly before I wondered if I'd want to throw tomatoes at the screen but while she wasn't Oscar worthy I thought she did all right. The one who irritated me was Pernell Roberts whom I never really liked and kept waiting to see "bite the dust." I'll not say anything more and spoil it for anybody who hasn't seen the movie. It's a little gem that was written off in 1959 as "just another Western" but has since been discovered for the polished piece it is. It was worth the wait and thanks to everybody from those long ago posts who got me watching.
Edited by: wouldbestar on Apr 24, 2012 10:28 PM
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I found it touching that the stars insisted that Keenan Wynn, largely a supporting actor, come up to the stage with the group. Who says there's no heart out there? And as Craig Stevens and Alexis Smith proved, you can make it last in Hollywood. This was a real piece of history, Maven, thank you for making my day.
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When the movie was released Chuck Connors gave an interview in which he described it as being "about the dignity of man". I honestly think he was trying to picture the "Indians" and one of their best known leaders as having real grievances that were patently ignored. Perhaps if I were a Native American the eye color would irritate me more but as someone else on a thread pointed out actors of one race can't always look like another whose inner character they are trying to get accross. I give Connors, Martin and the others credit for making the effort.
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WB turned this movie into one of its 15 minutes or so shorts with Robert Shayne in the George Brent role-TCM shows it now and then. I came in towards the end but recognized it at once and want to see it all. When I turned in Gabby Hayes was telling a young Black man that "If we hadn't lost you wouldn't be running loose" so I assume he played a Southerner but told the honest truth.
Randolph Scott alert! *Ride Lonesome* will be on later tonight at 9:30 or 9:45. I'll be turned in to see it all the way through as you all have talked about it so often.
I was totally surprised by the ending to *Ride Lonesome* but liked it. I'll say more tomorrow. In the meantime, stay awake or set your machinery for* Fort Massacre *at 2:45 in the morning. This is a Joel McCrea you're not used to and the story is about how unbridled hate corrodes decency. My alarm is set.
Edited by: wouldbestar on Apr 23, 2012 11:28 PM
Clore: I still can't believe it! I hit the link for *Coroner's Creek* and after that went to check out another film I haven't seen. On the list at the right of other available movies was *Buchanan Rides Alone.* The gunman hasn't lived who fired his pistol as fast as I clicked my mouse. A double feature there and now. I hit the spot for full screen and sat back. I 've got a lot to say about both and will when I have it put together. Thank you!
Yes, Lynn, this is the one Google and Wiki turned up. Both buildings are beautiful in their own ways. Isn't it odd how that left side leans in at the top?
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Thank you for verifying who Flannery O'Connor was. We Read A Good Man is Hard to Find in high school and I thought she wrote it but wasn't certain. It fits your description of her characters to a tee so I must be right. That one was enough for me. I'm Catholic, as was the school, but I don't get what tenets of our faith she was hitting on. At least I know my memory's not all gone.