Kinokima

> {quote:title=FredCDobbs wrote:}{quote} > > > This is the ?real? Berlin of 1938, for the people in the film. For them, this is ?normal life?, just like normal modern life in any country. We rarely get to see films of normal life on Berlin as the majority of local Germans saw it. This is an historically significant film, that draws us into it because we are familiar with Ingrid Bergman. I think you keep missing my point. I have no question that life was quite lovely for the regular German citizen and that UFA/Goebbels would want to portray this sort of ideal life. That doesn't mean there wasn't something darker under the surface that we are not seeing in the picture. It's propaganda, it's not reality. If anything these pictures are historically significant not because they show normal life but because they show how regular Germans could enjoy life while their neighbors were suffering. I understand this film was not making a political message but it was still making message. Just like during the depression most films in Hollywood did not show the Depression. Does that mean that was reality or just escapism?

What do you expect them to show in films in Nazi Germany? They either showed movies about how evil the Jews and their enemies were or how pleasant life was for the Germans. It was all propaganda. And like I said life was pleasant for the average German citizen in 1938 but there were plenty of people who were suffering. Most average German citizens ignored it while they went to the movies and had a wonderful time. I am not saying the film was not historically interesting but it does not show the real Berlin of 1938 or at least not the full truth.

I am sure 1938 Berlin was a lovely place if you happened to be someone the Nazis approved of.

Actually I should have included the Apartment too it is ranked at #59 on the list. It was late so forgive me for my error.

Oh the Films of Thomas Edison sounds really cool. So do the Moguls and Movie Stars Documentaries And I saw the restored Metropolis in the theater but I will be looking forward to watching it again and Metropolis Re-found. I have never see Birth of the Nation. It's one of those films I knew I should watch but I can't seem to find the enthusiasm to do so. Maybe November will be the month I finally do so. On another note I am confused. Who is the Star of the Month? edit: Yay I just noticed Sunrise is in prime time.

> {quote:title=JefCostello wrote:}{quote} > O.K., well then nevermind. > > I thought you were asking me what I think the 5 "best" Wilder films are, not what our favorites are. Based on that, my new and revised list is: > > I was copying the Hitchcock thread so I used the same wording but of course I meant favorite. If I wanted the list of his best I would just look at some critics list like TSPDT and see how they rank them and even that is arbitrary based on the opinions of critics. But for the curious here is the TSPDT ranking of some of Wilder's films (the rankings are out of 1013 entries) Some Like It Hot 22 Sunset Boulevard 31 Double Indemnity 97 Ace in the Hole 670 The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes 750 Avanti 769 One, Two, Three 1003

I have been reading this person's post and it seems every other thing he posts is how TCM is greedy because they don't show obscure German films made during the Nazi era. I guess every other film they show is mainstream then? (well maybe in comparison). Although I read that TCM did show a film called The Adventures of Baron Munchausen (1943) at one time.

Oh wow because they didn't show one film they are Greedy and Anti-Film History. Please do not be ridiculous. And it is not a big secret that Ingrid Bergman made one film for UFA (and I glad she never made anymore). It might be interesting to see that film one day but I am not going to hold it against TCM because they didn't show it. It's not like they showed every film of hers today except that one.

I enjoy Some Like It Hot it just isn't in my top 5 And I really love Double Indemnity hence I bothered to sneak it in as a honorable mention even though I said "Top 5". Quite honestly my ranks are not that important, tomorrow I might have put them in a slightly different order those are just the 6 I enjoy the most. But he is one of my favorite directors so even many films I didn't mention I really like. This is your Top Wilder not some factual list. And yes I guess we should focus on him as a director: Although Ninothcka and Ball of Fire are both wonderful.

Well since we had a Hitchcock one I just felt like making a Wilder one 1) The Apartment 2) Sunset Boulevard 3) Stalag 17 4) Ace in the Hole 5) Witness for the Prosecution Honorable Mention: Double Indemnity

I don't think it is narrow minded just looking at a specific portion of film. And I am not saying people necessarily ignore foreign film when speaking of 1939 ( Ziggyelman certainly didn't). I just think 1939 as the best year for film makes more sense when you are speaking of Hollywood not film in general. Even taking into account some great foreign films that came out that year it's really Hollywood's output that is especially impressive it terms of quantity and quality. If we are talking about film in general then I think there are probably stronger years than 1939.

Well I am pretty sure 1939 is usually said to be the best year specifically for Hollywood Film not film in general. That is why when speaking of 1939 a film like "Rules of the Game" would usually be left off even though it is considered one of the best films ever made (it's just not a Hollywood film).

Are films directed by Welles favored *more* than Hitchcock or Wilder films? No! But I certainly think he is in the same league in terms of popularity as these two directors or at least comparable. Don't believe me look up his film rankings on IMDB. He is frequently being discussed on the classic board over there. Citizen Kane is in the top 250 (and so is Touch of Evil for that matter). As for Welles being overrated well I have seen the same said about Hitchcock. In fact if I see the term overrated then that automatically means well known and popular to me. And even if Welles was less popular than Wilder and Hitchcock I still say he is more popular and well known than a lot of the stars that TCM has highlighted this year & in the past. Not that I am saying that is a bad thing. I think TCM should highlight *both* well known & lesser known stars and directors. Edited by: Kinokima on Aug 3, 2010 8:32 PM

Sorry if any of these have been mentioned before I would have loved to have seen Cary Grant star in a screwball comedy with Claudette Colbert and/or Barbara Stanwyck. I think these would have been excellent pairings. Well Colbert and Grant did the Awful Truth as a radio show together (not that I would ever want to replace Irene Dunne but another film with them together would have been nice). And I also agree that Cary should have starred in a comedy with Carole Lombard (they definitely have excellent chemistry In Name Only although the film is too much of a melodrama for me). Also for Wilder pairing up Audrey Hepburn with older men I think what he should have done instead was paired her up with one of his frequent collaborators Jack Lemmon. I think they would have been really cute together.

No Student Prince in Old Heidelberg that's an essential for me. It made my day when I saw TCM was playing it and in prime time no less. It's an excellent film.

I don't think I agree with that. I know plenty of Classic film fans who love Orson Welles movies. And the fact that he directed and starred in a lot of them would make him a really interesting choice for SUTS. Heck a friend of mine who is not into Classic film and actually had no idea about Citizen Kane's high ranking watched the film and loved it. We had a really amusing discussion where she was describing the movie to me since she forgot the title but I knew it was Citizen Kane right away.

Purely based on my own personal enjoyment 1) Rear Window 2) Notorious 3) North by Northwest 4) Vertigo 5) The 39 Steps/Shadow of a Doubt (tied)

Wow Bogart has not been a SUTS for awhile, either has Cagney. I am surprised at that. It would be nice to see them on next years roster. I would love to see Lillian Gish next year (heck make her Star of the Month). They should definitely give Orson Welles his day too.

> {quote:title=LoveFilmNoir wrote:}{quote} > > I hope you catch as much as you can. Philly is not my main residence although I try to soak up as much culture as possible. I should be around this weekend and I definitely plan on checking out the Renoir exhibit. I am lucky that my main residence is in a college area so there are film screenings galore. Harvard's theater is dedicated this summer to Nick Ray and I missed Bigger than Life on the big screen. It was released by Criterion, and I used to catch it on FMC (Mason is great in this film) but I really was hoping to catch a panel or two on Ray and see this film. I rented Bigger than Life from Netflix (excellent film) I would love to see it again. I hope TCM can get the rights to play it one of these days. I really wish Phila would do more film screenings dedicated to an actor or director (Toronto I know did one for James Mason this summer and also screened Bigger than Life). I hope you enjoy the Renoir exhibit.

> {quote:title=LoveFilmNoir wrote:}{quote} > > > > And Philadelphia's film festival was canceled this year due to budget issues. How sad. But I guess the Art Museum makes up for what lacks in film festivals and screenings. Cezanne last year and this year Renoir. That's true and I guess because of the Renoir show the Art Museum was also screening his sons films which I think are great. I missed the first two Grand Illusion and Rules of the Game (saw them both before though) but I am going to try to catch the screening of The Southerner on August 15 (and maybe see the paintings on the same day).

> {quote:title=misswonderly wrote:}{quote} > > > Sometimes I think I would rather be in Philadelphia. No you don't, notice how it is the one large city TCM skipped on their road show. We are not loved in the classic movie sphere.

I haven't seen Dr. Zhivago and every time it comes on TCM I am like should I watch it this time but it's just so long (and no I didn't watch it this time either). I will probably just rent it one of these days that way I can pause it if I need to.

Yes if it is choice between TCM and FMC I would definitely choose TCM (best channel on cable).

I live in one of the neighborhoods of Philly that is not Center City (don't want to give away my exact location on the Internet). I mean I guess it is possible I missed the channel but whenever I flip through the guide I never notice it.

I have Comcast but I am almost positive I don't have nor never had FMC.