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Interesting topic.
I too used to loathe Westerns. I would think everyone was dirty, the sets looked cheap and like obvious back lots (in some), and I couldn't see past the horses and guns to see the real plot. Then one day several years ago I watched *The Cheyenne Social Club* and laughed my arse off. I know it was a western comedy, but I enjoyed it greatly. Right after they showed this other western with Dean Martin *Rough Night in Jericho* and I enjoyed it.
Following that, I watched *Rawhide* in my quest to watch and own every Tyrone Power film. It was like a western film noir and I loved it. Soon I caught *My Darling Clementine* and immediately fell in love with the black and white western, having already loved the main characters. Thanks to Encore Westerns and TCM I have watched many Westerns and have really enjoyed them. I love *The Shootist* and I even get a little teary eyed (I don't think the Duke would approve!). I think my appreciation for the work the actor helped me to watch them in westerns and appreciate the genre. I know this is definitely the case with John Wayne and Robert Mitchum. Now I appreciate a western with a decent storyline (fighting over land, money, a woman, against the Native Americans), a pretty leading lady, a funny or boozing sidekick, Monument Valley scenery, and the horses!
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> {quote:title=misswonderly wrote:}{quote}
> Tyrone Power !
> Tyrone Power !
> Wouldn't mind finding him
> in my shower !
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> ...or even finding him as Star of the Month.
I approve and second this chant! Tyrone Power deserves more recognition on TCM.
Yes, I know he was a Fox contract star and they have their own channel, but he deserves to be SOTM, get a SUTS day, a TCM retrospective as well as a Word of Mouth piece. And I would love to finally see "The Mississippi Gambler".
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Tyrone Power
Dana Andrews
William Bendix
Edmond O'Brien
Victor Mature
Janet Leigh
Alice Faye
Richard Widmark
Robert Mitchum
John Garfield
that's all I can think of for now, TCM blew me away last year with Gene Tierney.
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Mark, you are the one that introduced me to Warren William's precodes and I have been hooked ever since! I would definitely vote for him for SOTM, and settle with him getting a SUTS day this year as a start!
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Hands down the best night in January's programming is tonight.
If Darryl F. Zanuck didn't typecast so many of his contract stars in genres he felt they'd be best in, I can only imagine the number of great noirs Payne would have done at Fox. He may have taken some roles from the likes of Richard Conte and Mark Stevens. Tyrone Power had to fight for his Nightmare Alley role!
Either way, I look forward to tonight. John Payne had a great singing voice, was a great actor from Technicolor musical cheesiness (which I love) to film noir, and he was great to look at. Good job programmers.
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Even though TCM plays it enough, I like him in *The Blue Dahlia*. Like someone else said, I do think his performance in *The Dark Corner* was essential William Bendix. I also enjoyed him in his Fox films like *Greenwich Village*, *A Bell for Adano*, *Guadalcanal Diary*, and *Sentimental Journey*. He was also in an enjoyable noir with George Raft *Race Street* ? And I never seen it, but I would like to see *Calcutta*, has TCM ever shown it?
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> {quote:title=jamesjazzguitar wrote:}{quote}
> Being half Japanese I would say his role was more of a sick stereotype than racist but that could be splitting hairs. But the fault for that goes more to Edwards than Mickey (i.e. I fault a director more than an actor for those type of mistakes).
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> *I wonder if Edwards has ever explained the reasoning for that.*
I wondered this too. I thought the director always had the last say. I remember reading an article about this film and how they would edit out his parts in the film, they had him quoted in an interview years later regretting doing the part but putting the blame on his agent. He never mentions Edwards and the article never mentioned Edward's opinion on the film decades later. Ironic because I remember watching his film "The Carey Treatment" on TCM and Ben M. saying that Blake Edwards was so angry with how the film was edited by the studio that he demanded his name be removed from the director credits and they refused so he just distanced himself from it. I don't think it did that well at the box office but I really like it.
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Thank you for posting that Fred C, I think clore has stated a few times (and I have agreed) that there should be a better quality control system where these films are checked before their aired. If my guide says Letterbox and TCM shows a pan and scan because that was the copy they got, that's not acceptable. When a film has glitches or skips in the transfer, it should never make the air. And who wants to see a distorted film? It looks awful. These things have to be checked thoroughly before the film is aired.
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> {quote:title=Kinokima wrote:}{quote}
> It sucks when AMC gets any movie because there is no point of watching it with all those darn commercials.
Agreed. They have chopped the crap out of *Airplane!* yet play it every other day. So glad TCM aired *McClintock!* recently because I like to watch it every now and then and there are way too many commercials on John Wayne Saturdays.
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I would be geeked if George Raft was SOTM. Plenty of crime and noir and if TCM got access to early films, I want to see that film "Side Street" in it's entirety. The man could dance! Anyway, his acting style was made for crime/noir similarly to Dana Andrews (when Dana Andrews is SOTM I'll probably be old and gray
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(long sigh)
I don't understand viewers like you JonnyGeetar. To have TCM means you must have at least 25-30 other cable channels. Why not just tune out? TCM can't satisfy what you like 24/7/365. Maybe get a Netflix subscription to fill your void. When I tune in and there is something on that I don't like, I tune out, change the channel, turn off the TV, go on with my life. Angry letter writers hardly get anywhere these days so if you are channeling some negativity from your own personal life into your opinion on how TCM chooses to program it's channel, tough luck for you but go start a blog, no one wants to hear a "me, me, me" rant. Read a book, take a walk, go get laid. Be productive and Happy New Year.
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> {quote:title=rayallen wrote:}{quote}
> Perhaps Christina Ricci.
I was coming to post this. Based on looks, she would be ideal. I don't know about her acting range. Bette had range and throughout her career.
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> {quote:title=lzcutter wrote:}{quote}
> Perhaps Fox wants to keep the letterbox version exclusive to the Fox Movie Channel.
I doubt this. I thought that when you leased a film you had the rights to show it in its OAR? I know HBO and Cinemax just choose not to. I can't imagine they wouldn't let TCM play this movie in it's OAR, but other films have been. I've seen quite a few Fox Cinemascope films on TCM in the last 2 years. Or maybe they do it case by case? Either way, they might as well release it to DVD then, I was told this film last aired on FMC back in 2004/2005. It aired on HBO for the last year periodically.
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I agree clore. And before one of the usual suspects makes a post saying that it's an honest mistake and we should all be lucky we even have a channel like TCM to show us these movies, let me just say that every time they show a pan and scan version of a letterbox movie they are going against their will known slogan. I hope it airs in the near future in its original aspect ratio, it's an interesting film.
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I came here to post the same thing. All Fox Cinemascope pan and scans look alike....maybe they have the same chop director? This movie is not available on DVD and was making its rounds on HBO/Cinemax for over a year in pan and scan. I was hoping that it would be in letterbox when it aired tonight
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<<< ( Eye Roll ) >>>
some people on this board remind me why I went so long just watching the movies on the channel and avoiding the message boards for so many years.
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> {quote:title=MyFavoriteFilms wrote:}{quote}
> Then, on top of that, it pixillated (a lot). It even went triptych at one point, where there were three vertical bars of varying distortion. At least that's what happened here when I watched it in Arizona.
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> This all began just a few minutes into the film, during the first saloon scene. It lasted for quite awhile. Then, the image would appear fine again.
This is exactly what I saw. Since I am a DirecTV subscriber, I usually dismiss this as my satellite signal being effected by the weather. I had to pull my curtains back and look outside when I saw the screen split down into three, and outside was rather calm. Either way, glad it's being looked into. This is a pretty interesting film.
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Bette Davis was in MR SKEFFINGTON with Claude Rains
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I said something similar in another thread, but take a still from CASABLANCA and one from THE BEST YEARS OF OUR LIVES and I guarantee you that most people over 40 will be able to identify Casablanca the most. I'm surprised by how many people over 40 do not know about classic films. It really is a niche market and while we may argue about what has more significance, or was groundbreaking, brought in more revenue etc, CASABLANCA has a better chance of being re-released on future home video formats with extras before THE BEST YEARS OF OUR LIVES.
I agree Kinokima, it does still speak to people today. It is the one film that is shown in prime time a few times a year on TCM. I can't imagine it ever leaving TCM's broadcast rotation for even a year. Maybe it's all of the references made to scenes or dialogue in current pop culture, who knows, but CASABLANCA is a classic film that is probably in the DVD libraries of many non classic film fans.
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> {quote:title=finance wrote:}{quote}
> It was amusing watching Totter in LADY IN THE LAKE, since most of her dialogue was directed, seemingly, right at the camera, because Montgomery remained unseen in that one-time gimmick.
Yes, it was! Her facial expressions were hilarious. I would love to see what she looks like today. Too bad TCM didn't do a Private Screenings with her...I doubt she'd be interested now!
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James, I too prefer Marjorie Main in small doses.....like tear drop doses and I admit I was interested in this film because of it being rare both in DVD release and TV airing. Also, it's been the answer in quite a few "Info Please" threads. So I watched it to see what the hype was about. I enjoyed Fred MacM, Helen Walker and Jean Heather. I think those three made the movie - or at least they were behind my chuckles.
I rather Betty over Marjorie. I don't think I have ever seen Marjorie in a film where she wasn't playing a Ma Kettle type. Maybe it's a good thing that she stayed typecast and outside of the types of films I would like. I don't think I would have enjoyed Ma Kettle in a film noir or gangster flick LOL
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I think I prefer the longer promos (where someone narrates a montage of an actor's work) and wish more were made about previous actors I mentioned in the thread. I'm sure there are current actors, albeit a little older, who may be familiar with some actors' work and would oblige in doing one of these pieces. How cool would it be for Frank Vincent to narrate a piece on William Bendix???
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Scottman, even though the acting gets a little cheesy around the time the parent's tragic ending (the parents, their daughter and future son in law's acting is a little over the top.....maybe the scenery was flavored? lol) I always get teary eyed in the last scene when the girl and then her fiance show up with words for them (you almost expect one of them to drop an expletive, eh?) and then EGR's final speech before he breaks the glass (good stuff). I don't know what it is, but that scene gets me emotional. I have to mention that EGR's personal assistant/secretary steals quite a few scenes!! Who is she?
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> {quote:title=MyFavoriteFilms wrote:}{quote}
> He wanted a more expanded role, so he went left to do the Father Dowling Mysteries (which only lasted two seasons). He couldn't go back to Murder, She Wrote because they killed his character off. He sort of burned a bridge there.
They didn't kill him off per say, in the show they made it that he retired (when he went off to star in his own show) and they had replaced him with a retired NY cop turned sheriff played by Ron Masak. Ron Masak was pretty decent in the role, although I am sure if they really wanted to bring Bosley back as Sheriff Tupper, they probably would have found some way to make a good episode out of it (and probably make Masak a killer too!)
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Black History Month Features?
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Interesting topic.
There are now 3 channels that are targeted towards African Americans - Centric, BET and TVOne. All have access to license and run the classic films named in this thread and they choose not to. A movie on MLK, Malcolm X or whoever shouldn't only be relevant the third Monday in January or the 28 or 29 days of February. I personally think TCM does the best they can with the resources they have. The truth is many classic films do not have blacks in the lead, but as servants, and some shed in a terrible stereotypical light. Some black films from the 60s and 70s aren't even that good to be honest. I do appreciate all special series TCM has where they show and discuss Black, Asian or Hispanic cinema. I understand why you would want to see more black films on TCM (uncut and commercial free) although I personally would like to see one or all of the three networks I mentioned step up and shelve some of the tasteless music videos or remove two hours of the same syndicated shows and throw in a slot for a movie.