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Bobby Darin was in STATE FAIR (1962) with Alice Faye

What television shows would you recommend to someone who is a fan of film noir, or do you think a person who likes the genre would enjoy? The first two that come to mind for me are Murder, She Wrote and Alfred Hitchcock Presents/Hour although the latter actually has a noir feel in some episodes where as MSW is just a mystery/whodunit.

Tee hee hee. I knew I'd get that response I don't think the two look alike, but there is a little resemblance going on in a "Hey Tom, is that your Dad" kind of way...

lzcutter, you are more awesome than you may ever know.

To answer Part I of your post - I have seen neither and am waiting to catch them on either the Reelz, Retro or This network. I happened to catch the last bit of *Hearst and Davies Affair* a few Saturdays ago and I enjoyed him. I also enjoyed Mitchum in *Mr. North* - I think he aged rather well and was still very sharp acting wise. Part II: I would place Mitchum in the top 15 at the least and there are about 5 names on that list who I would remove completely and a few who I would shift down. Mitchum's career is so underrated....heck, even his death was, dying a day before Jimmy Stewart. His screen presence, his versatility....Mitchum has played practically every character one can play on the screen. But wait, that list says "legend" so part of that has to do with popularity and "icon" status (possibly more than) body of work....James Dean is on the list (this is not a shot at James Dean, but his body of work is not even a body) Mitchum is in my top 10 of underrated male actors of all time.

Betty Hutton sported big hair in her later years....the late 70s/early 80s was a huge fluffy blow out for many women

Yes it's super annoying and continuous johnbabe.I just don't understand how your constant complaining and nagging regarding Garbo contributes to the flow of this board. Then when people throw out facts like the amount of times she's been star of the month, had an evening of her films in prime time, had a day during summer under the stars etc, you dismiss it simply because YOU missed it all. I don't know if possibly you are a new fan and are just discovering her and want more opportunities to see more of her work, but you are going to have to relax, breath in, breathe out, take it easy and be patient. Good things come to those who wait.....or you can order the following available at Amazon.com: Anna Christie Mata Hari Grand Hotel Queen Christina Anna Karenina Camille Ninotchka The Temptress Flesh and the Devil The Mysterious Lady Love The Single Standard The Kiss Wild Orchids The Saga of Gosta Berling The Joyless Street Two Faced Woman (VHS) The Painted Veil (VHS) Inspiration (VHS) Susan Lenox: Her Fall and Rise (VHS) Romance (VHS) Conquest (VHS) Women of Affairs (VHS) and possibly other titles available online from private sellers! You seem like a die hard fan so investing in these titles is probably your best bet.

Sandra Dee was in TAKE HER, SHE'S MINE with Audrey Meadows

Am I the only one who has seen the slight resemblance around the nose/cheeks/mouth area of Ralph Meeker and New England Patriots QB Tom Brady?

Wait, "hockey" is actually up there in popularity? Hmmm......

Virginia Mayo was in FLAXY MARTIN with Dorothy Malone

Clair Trevor was in JOHNNY ANGEL with Hoagy Carmichael

> {quote:title=misswonderly wrote:}{quote} > You have a Tyrone Power boxed set? Fantastic! I bet it includes Nightmare Alley! > ...Thanks for the tip on how to get a hold of these great old movies. I got the Matinee Idol Collection: *(Cafe Metropole/Girls Dormitory/Johnny Apollo/Daytime Wife/Luck of the Irish/Ill Never Forget You/That Wonderful Urge/Love Is News/This Above All/Second Honeymoon)* and his Action set: *(Blood and Sand / Son of Fury / The Black Rose / Prince of Foxes / The Captain from Castile)* I own *Nightmare Alley* on DVD which I previously found for $5.99 also from a Fox Film Noir sale on Amazon. It is such a great film.

> {quote:title=misswonderly wrote:}{quote} > I tried to rent House of Bamboo at my local movie rental place, only to find they didn't have it. > I've been bamboozled! Amazon.com (as well as DeepDiscount.com) has these blowout sales where they sometimes mark down the whole Fox Film Noir (as well as others) library. When I got my copy, I also got some MGM titles that were only $5.99. I get email alerts and will definitely post when another sale arises! (I just purchased two Ty Power box sets that retail for $44.99 and $49.99 for $50 total on Friday - I love those alerts!)

Wendy Hiller was in MURDER ON THE ORIENT EXPRESS with Sit John Gielgud

Yes, but as far as names....even though many stars adopt a name, I have liked quite a few Sidney Poitier (I love this name) Cary Grant Linda Darnell Lauren Bacall (when I say her last name I want to point my nose in the air) Vivien Leigh (maybe it's just the spelling....Vivian Lee wouldn't have had the same effect) Marlon Brando Marlene Dietrich Tyrone Power (I love this last name without the 's')

Errol Flynn was in THE SUN ALSO RISES with Ava Gardner

Well written mswonderly! I too am drawn in by the sad endings. Why? I think it may be because no matter how we live our lives - whether doing good or bad, the ONLY thing we are promised in it is DEATH. The pathetic characters in film noir remind us of this. By pathetic I mean the "down on his luck", or "good guy turned bad", or "I was framed and instead of going to the police I am going to find the bad guy myself and hand him over" characters who we watch carefully in 90-120 minutes go through highs and lows, fist fights in dark alleys, meetings with femme fatales in dirty smoke filled offices with venetian blinds - it's dark, it's noir and I love it. Whenever I read up on noirs, I come across info regarding the director and studio heads clashing over the ending. In those days Hollywood didn't mind the violence to an extent, but didn't want to see the blood or bullet holes (only Bogey or Cagney can be shot six times without a single wrinkle in their 3 piece suit! LOL) they also wanted "happier" endings meaning the bad guy ALWAYS got caught and the femme fatale (for the most part) marries the same guy that had her pinned to a murder 35 minutes ago! By the 70s, the director's definitely had more freedom with violence, dialogue and endings. It's not that I don't like happy endings, I just like more realistic endings. I have watched noirs with completely contrived plots and endings...or a strange twist within the last 15 minutes where the bad guy gets his comeuppance (I guess this is where the re-shot footage comes in after the studio tells the director "no" to his unhappy ending). Very Recently I caught George Raft in *The House Across The Bay* - he swims back to Alcatraz why exactly ? How ironic that director John Huston would be the bad guy in Chinatown with such a dark ending....when had he made that film 20-25 years prior, Jack Nicholson and Faye Dunaway's characters would have been leaving a courthouse as newlyweds instead of the ending we know today.

Ralph Bellamy was in THE AWFUL TRUTH with Irene Dunne

Claudette Colbert was in MIDNIGHT with Don Ameche

Betty Grable was in MEET ME AFTER THE SHOW with Macdonald Carey

Great point Arturo. As long as it feels like noir to me, then it is noir. *Eddie Coyle* was released in 1972 and is more of a classic than several film noirs released during the defined film noir period.

> {quote:title=lzcutter wrote:}{quote} > Don't forget Elke Sommer in everyone's favorite so bad we love it film, *The Oscar*. This was the first thing that popped into my head when I read this thread...the hair stylist must have went through cases of Aqua Velvet....and yes, my favorite bad movie of all time! Does Elvis ever qualify as having big hair? In some films his "ramp" is rather higher than in others.

Charlotte Greenwood was in MOON OVER MIAMI with Carole Landis

Billy Dee Williams was in THE OUT-OF-TOWNERS with Sandy Dennis