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According to Wikipedia, that story and the lawsuit behind it cost Dennis Hopper $950,000 total. Wow.

Marlene Dietrich was in RANCHO NOTORIOUS with Mel Ferrer

Shirley Jones was in THE CHEYENNE SOCIAL CLUB with James Stewart

I'd give my left hand for Alice Faye, Don Ameche, TYRONE POWER or Betty Grable to be star of the month....their careers being solely or primarily at Fox is a HUGE reason why their films are not as often screened as actors and actresses who I feel were not as good as them. I know for any of them to be SOTM it means borrowing extensively from Fox but with all four you are going to get some really great films. Those long term Fox contracts seem to have been the death of these stars popularity/notoriety. Classic films lovers have more access to TCM than FMC and even FMC isn't regularly consistent with showing classics (too many repeats). Alice Faye seems to be hardly discussed when we talk about great singers on this site.....same with Betty Grable when song and dance is discussed....someone usually chimes in "hey, don't forget about Betty Grable"....and Don Ameche and his fast talking screwball roles were hilarious but he is never mentioned in those topics! Oh, and Ty Power is usually only discussed when people are arguing whether or not his looks lived up to his acting career. All really sad. They'd be TCM regulars if they didn't have those long contracts (although Faye and Ameche left for radio - and that is another topic in itself!) I had no idea Natalie Wood was previously star of the month, I went back to lzcutter's post with the list and it just reads like repeats. Booo (I love Natalie though)

Ron Howard was in THE SHOOTIST with Sheree North

James Cagney was in MR ROBERTS with Henry Fonda

That's exactly the film. I really enjoy it and watch it every time it is on. But then again, I am a Dana Andrews fan and any film he is in will get at least 2 screenings out of me. I have never seen Decoy but I will definitely check it out. I am waiting for another big Amazon sale so I can stock up on some noirs particularly in box sets - I am trying to learn how to record from my DVR ( I know it is more simple than I believe!)

> {quote:title=misswonderly wrote:}{quote} > Today seems to be a confessional day for me, in terms of declaring movies I feel I should have seen and haven't. (couple of Robert Mitchum titles on another thread) Never seen *House of Bamboo*! It's even on one of those Noir boxed sets, totally accessible. I 'd better get to it. I've certainly heard a lot about it. Add me to the list. I own House of Bamboo on DVD. I bought all the Fox Film Noirs shortly after the new year when Amazon had them for $5.99 -6.99 each. I had it on my DVR from when it premiered on TCM and I watched it in pieces so I too need to give it a thorough screening.

> {quote:title=kaleman wrote:}{quote} > I don't believe you have to be present for a Kennedy Center honor. Irene Dunne received one. She went to Washington and the last minute backed out of the ceremonies *because she said she did not want her fans to see her toddling on stage. She wanted them to remember her like she was in all those wonderful screwball comedies*. Now this portion right here is the reason why I think many actors and actresses retreat into seclusion after a certain age and don't grant interviews or make public appearances. They probably have a biographer but refuse pictures. Hollywood made them all so glamorous and magical...so 40 years later to have a raspy voice from the smoking, and wrinkles or showing any sign of weakness or illness....it is hard for many to show that. There are many actors and actresses from the golden era who I honestly do not feel aged well. They are only human so they too deal with self consciousness. Loretta Young had a clause in the contract for The Loretta Young Show that it couldn't show the intros in syndication because she didn't want to be seen in dated clothing.

Mickey Rooney was in QUICKSAND with Jeanne Cagney

House of Bamboo is considered noir and was shot in color, Cinemascope and on location in Tokyo....so far removed from the "elements" of noir yet still considered one.

> {quote:title=finance wrote:}{quote} > No "authority" is required. Any writer can say whatever he or she pleases, and be willing to accept any flak that results. Agreed! I own a few noir books and I don't agree with some written in it but at the end of the day, any crime/mystery film will get at least one viewing from me....if it is from the defined era of noir....it will get a couple of viewings no matter how bad or how contrived the plot (people on this site and others slam *Beyond A Reasonable Doubt* and I watch it every time it is on).

You all have made some great points. I still feel that once you are familiar with the 40s and 50s noirs, you can "feel" the noir in any other film from any other period. I think *Chinatown* and *Memento* are definitely noirs. I also think *Rawhide* is a western noir. I too would rather spend less time talking about if they make the noir cut and instead talk about the actual film. Noir is my favorite film genre but at the end of the day, I like any kind of mystery. I have seen every episode of Murder She Wrote, I love an Agatha Christie whodunit. I don't think any movie reviewer or film historian really has the authority to give a definition in stone.

Betty Garrett was in NEPTUNE'S DAUGHTER with Esther Williams

> {quote:title=hlywdkjk wrote:}{quote} > Has anybody ever seen this? > > It has hit the ten minute mark and I am still laughing at this!! Thanks for posting it!

Lucille Ball was in LURED with Charles Colburn

Gig Young was in LOVERS AND OTHER STRANGERS with Bea Arthur

Lang, Walter - *Mother Wore Tights*

This thread is 5 stars! Hilarious!!!

Gene Tierney was in RINGS ON HER FINGERS with Spring Byington

Tony Curtis was in BOEING BOEING with Thelma Ritter

Claude Rains was in LISBON with Ray Milland

I do not believe she is related to Tex because I clearly read in an article before that she was not related to the physical comedy genius John Ritter (Tex's son). And only a day? I'd vote Thelma Ritter for Star of the Month. It would mean many premieres - she was in quite a few supporting roles for Fox. She also was the comedic relief in otherwise not so good movies. I was just watching her as Susan Hayward's nurse in *With A Song in My Heart* yesterday (Susan also needs a month!).

C.Bogle, your post reminds me of Yul Brynner and Merle Oberon's stories of their lineage.

> {quote:title=ChiO wrote:}{quote} > _finance_ asked: *...so what was the last true noir...?* > > I would contend that it hasn't been made yet. Unless one can define "true noir" and say "True noir ended on (month), (day) (year)", then noir is still being made, albeit with less frequency. Two post-1966 American noirs that come to mind are *The Friends of Eddie Coyle* (1972) and *The Killing of a Chinese Bookie* (1976). > > But aren't post-19XX noirs really "neo-noir"? As long as we're making up definitions, "neo-noir" to me is a noir that is self-consciously made (How can you tell? Beats me, but I feel it.) to be a noir (Hey! Let's make a film noir!). A pastiche, if you will. So the two movies above are noir, but *Red Rock West* is neo-noir. Well said ChiO...that is one of my gripes with the film noir definition. I don't care who is a film historian and gives a great "definition", if one is a fan of the drama and has seen many films of it from A to B, classic to forgotten, then the final conclusion should be that the true definition is subjective. *The Friends of Eddie Coyle* is a perfect example of post 1970 noir. The only reason why one would simply call it a crime drama is because of the fact it was shot in color and released in 1972. But take the characters (especially Mitchum in the title role!), plot, etc....rewind time twenty years ago and add the shadow of some venetian blinds and we'd all be applauding this as one of the best noirs ever. The same can be said about *Chinatown* (1974).