SansFin

> {quote:title=FredCDobbs wrote:}{quote} > > The fact that it is animation is sure to alienate that section of the viewership who are prejudice against any type of movie which is outside their experience. > "Outside their experience"? Lol. You mean anime will alienate TCM fans who dislike anime films, I believe a reasonable person is incapable of disliking a genre with which they have no experience. Only a person with strong prejudices claims dislike for a thing before they have been exposed to it. > TCM is not really an all-films for all-people channel. There are many classic animated movies. Would any object if TCM acquired the rights to air *Fantasia* (1940) or *Peter Pan* (1953)? TCM has shown that there is a viewership for classics which includes foreign movies and cult movies. The inclusion of anime could be similar. I believe it would be wrong of them to show anime solely because it is anime. I believe it would be proper for them to include an anime war movie during a day of war movies or an anime romance during a day of romance movies.

> {quote:title=Dargo2 wrote:}{quote} > I'd bet for every male out there who partakes of that practice that there's a mother who's doin' the same thing to her daughter. http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h269/Carless_2006/satansway.jpg

If horrific is akin to horrible, why isn't terrific akin to terrible? Why do you recite at a play but you play at a recital? Why do you put suits in a garment bag and garments in a suitcase? When the stars are out they are bright, but when the lights are out they are dark. Why does the word "lisp" to have an "s" in it? What's another word for synonym? If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat? Why is abbreviated is such a long word? Why are they called apartments, when they're all stuck together? If olive oil comes from olives and corn oil comes from corn where does baby oil come from? Why are boxing rings are square? Why does a building burn up as it burns down? Why do women wear evening gowns to go out at night? Shouldn't they be night gowns? Why is it a pair of panties but only one bra? How much wind could a windbreaker break if a windbreaker could break wind? Why don?t we call sunny days undercast? Why do people sit down during the day and sit up late at night?

> {quote:title=MovieMadness wrote:}{quote} > I think the idea of having anime movies on TCM would not be to impress the current viewers but to broaden the viewer base of TCM to a younger demographic. Ideally the time to show this would be on Saturday morning, however I doubt they can afford it? I doubt you will find wide agreement to tamper with the current Saturday morning line-up of series, serials and B movies. I believe that adding Japanese animation would broaden viewership in some demographics and lessen it in others. Anime attracts not necessarily "young" viewers as much as "esoteric" viewers as in people who have tastes which are not genre-specific and who are open to any movie of quality. The fact that it is animation is sure to alienate that section of the viewership who are prejudice against any type of movie which is outside their experience. I do feel it is a mistake to discuss anime as if it is itself a genre. Anime encompasses many genres which vary from nearly-Hanna-Barbera-cartoons to sexual escapades of aliens. *Only Yesterday* (1991) is a chick-flick while *Grave of the Fireflies* (1988) is a commentary on war. I would welcome some anime in the schedule and more so if the movies are selected because their genre makes them an appropriate selection for the theme rather than because they are anime.

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> {quote:title=clore wrote:}{quote} > Yes, we have compound words such as: > barnyard Our compound equivalent means literally: 'more to the barn'. > So, what is someone learning the language to make of the word "extraordinary?" If he were to define it as "more mediocre" he would be going in the opposite direction. I hope all understand that I was being silly about English. All languages have things that seem odd to other speakers.

> {quote:title=Sepiatone wrote:}{quote} > At face, the phrase sounds kind of "double negative" like the word "irregardless". I have the greatest problem with inflammable. It seems to me as it should follow the same rule as capable/incapable so it should mean a thing which will not burn. I believe I could ignore the issue if it were not for the similar word inflammation. Does that mean an arthritic joint is not in a state of flammation? Can a thing be flammated? Can an inept person better themself by becoming ept? Y'all has got a funny language!

> {quote:title=darkblue wrote:}{quote} > Referring to a habit you mentioned a ways back, I too sometimes sing in real life, doing dishes or something like that. They're always well-known songs, though - I've never sang anything spontaneously originating from my own creativity. My esso tells of his friends and he breaking into song while eating and drinking. The song was: "Deutschland ?ber alles" and it was at a Formal Dining-In when he was in the U.S. Air Force. His Colonel was not amused. I believe it would probably scare people if I sang in public. I lack a good singing voice and my favorite song is: "Unharness The Horses, Guys!" which requires vigorous arm movements which is why it is an excellent song to sing while chopping ribs or large carrots. http://youtu.be/yRmbX2entnM Edited by: SansFin on May 16, 2012 5:19 PM

I use mostly Chrome under WinXP. I use Firefox under Ubuntu at times. I must log-in each time I open the browser. It is normal also for me to have to log-in again if I have not posted within a certain time. This is usually not a problem for me as I use the 'log-in' text-icon-link in the upper right corner of the screen. It has remembered my username and password. My only nit with it is that it always takes me to Forum Home and not the General Discussions page from which I click on it. The only time I have to enter my username and password is when my esso has used the computer to post a comment on this forum. His actions log me out which I believe changes the cookie so that the necessary information is not available for the system to log me in using only the 'log-in' link.

> {quote:title=fxreyman wrote:}{quote} > As I replied to you on May 14th at 7:40 PM, I performed a search for the total amount of films from each decade and where they fell on the schedule for May. I thank you for doing that analysis. I had considered doing it even although it would have taken me perhaps more than an hour. I hesitated because it is evident to me that absolute and undeniable facts seem to have no effect in this discussion. I believe this means that I owe you an hour of my life-on-the-computer time!

> {quote:title=EugeniaH wrote:}{quote}*I'm still waiting to see a spontaneous musical number break out at the DMV.* > > My friend and I used to joke about that years back - how one would stand around or do his daily thing, and then break into spontanous song (complete with instruments) about how he is feeling... I have heard mention of guerrilla theater and flash mobs wherein a group of people appear seemingly spontaneously and perform a musical number. It is not unknown for normal people to join in the song or dance.

> {quote:title=darkblue wrote:}{quote} > I think they'd find it more than slightly odd if the person(s) were singing spontaneous conversation rather than just speaking it. Have you ever watched *The Umbrellas of Cherbourg* (1964)? It is an odd little movie. It did not require very much time for me to accept that people sing rather than talk. > Umm, I hope YMMV doesn't stand for "you make me vomit". It doesn't, oes it? It means: "Your Mileage May Vary" as in your experience and situation may result in an outcome different than the one I state. It is an open admission that I am not stating absolute and undeniable facts and that many people may see things very differently. I am sorry for any misunderstanding.

> {quote:title=EugeniaH wrote:}{quote} > I hate it when you have a film that is set in a place like Africa or the Middle East, and the locals are speaking with British accents. I am from Odessa and I speak with a British accent. Our teachers were British ex-pats and we watched many British movies in school as well as American movies. The British conquered many parts of the world and they taught the natives to speak English their way. It was also standard practice that the children of important natives would be sent to school in Britain so that they could receive a 'proper' education. I believe this would be noticeable more in period movies. I would expect modern Africans and Arabs to speak English with a variety of accents depending on their community. I am reminded of the story of an American company which received a crate from Hong Kong which was marked: "This End Upwards". An Oriental on their staff noted that the British speak funny. I believe that in movies made by the British this is accentuated because of the deeply-rooted British mentality that divides the world between things British and things that are bad or wrong. The good guys will sound as if they are from Liverpool and the bad guys will mostly grunt. Edited by: SansFin on May 16, 2012 3:54 PM

> {quote:title=Sepiatone wrote:}{quote} > How many people didn't catch the fact that these all call for a suspension of BELIEF rather than DISBELIEF. I am sorry to say that you are mistaken. It is natural that you would 'not believe' things you see in movies. It requires a suspension of 'not believing' to enjoy the movie. Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief The origin of the phrase: http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/suspension-of-disbelief.html

> {quote:title=allaboutlana wrote:}{quote} > Thanks, Sans Fin, for a very thoroughly thought-provoking thread and discussion. I thank you for the kind words. The thread belongs to EugeniaH and I thank her for it. My considerations on this subject derive mostly from my esso who is a writer and his favorite method to avoid writing is to talk of writing. He also has many books on writing which I have read in my efforts to learn to write English in an effective manner.

> {quote:title=Lazyking wrote:}{quote} > I think you have to go into a movie expecting to suspend your disbelief but if a movie tries to sell most of it's ideals as believeable and then devites from that world then I can be taken out of a film. It is easy to accept a world other than ours while it appears to operate within its own set of rules. It brings on a sense of rebellion when that world's rules are violated after we have 'bought into' that world. We feel as if that world has been violated. Such things are nearly always the fault of the director. A published work will not have gained great popularity and will not have become an attractive property for conversion into a movie if it contained such violations.

> {quote:title=darkblue wrote:}{quote} > Is there anything that's more far-fetched, requiring said suspension than musicals? Many a person will talk to themself when they are alone. It is not uncommon to see a person on the street who is talking to themself. Many people sing when they are alone. I believe most people would find it only slightly odd if they met a person singing on the street. Does it require a suspension of disbelief that people on an airplane that has been delayed might spend their time musically? I know a cardiac surgeon who will at times sing during surgery. One nurse has been known to provide the female voice some songs require. I have not heard of them dancing. I often sing while I am preparing meals. My esso is likely to join in if he walks into the kitchen while I am singing if he knows the song well. We have even done some nearly-dancing moves to accentuate the songs when we are feeling silly. We both subscribe to the belief that you are crazy only if someone catches you doing it. I feel that most musical numbers in movies are that we are looking into the daydreams of the characters in much the same way we often see their remembrances or hear their thoughts. Some of the musical numbers In *Daddy Long Legs* (1955) are truly specified as being daydreams when a character is alone. I find it easy to accept that the other musical numbers are essentially the poetic form of shared daydreams. Musicals rank far down the list of my favorite genres. The spontaneous breaking out into song with full musical accompaniment is not the reason for my dislike. YMMV Edited by: SansFin on May 16, 2012 3:52 PM

I believe that a significant part of the suspension of disbelief is that the world in the movie operates within a specific set of rules. It would be quite far beyond acceptance if Sherlock Holmes in a properly Victorian setting would reveal that he knew the identity of a jewel thief because of the proton-activated gem detector given to him by aliens from Protiax IV. It is quite acceptable in a world where ghosts exists that they can walk through walls and clank chains because those are rules known to the audience in advance even though they beg questions of the type: if ghosts can walk through walls, why don't they sink through floors? I do not believe that certain actions necessarily require a separate suspension of disbelief. We expect truly odd things to happen in a madcap comedy. We expect that war confuses the usual order of authority and procedures so a letter of transit which can not be questioned no matter the bearer might exist within that moment of time in that situation. The prime consideration is how smoothly it is done. Any instance where the audience is given a moment to think that a thing is ridiculous is a failure on the part of the director. Writer and columnist Lawrence Block states: "You might finish a Ludlum novel, properly breathless and ready for bed. A couple of hours later you might wake up hungry, and on the way back from the icebox it might occur to you that there was no reason for the Estonian nationalists to put cyanide in the hero's peanut-butter cookies. That kind of icebox thinking may make it hard for you to go back to sleep, and it might even move you to write the author a letter demanding a full and proper explanation. But it can't negate the fact that the author and his poisonous Estonian villains kept you reading way past your normal bedtime. The incidents themselves were sufficiently involving, and the tension they generated sufficiently gripping, that your objections didn't manifest themselves until you'd finished reading the book - and enjoyed every page of it." Telling Lies for Fun and Profit Lawrence Block Arbor House 1981

I believe the quintessential anti-mothers are: *Hamlet* (1948) with Eileen Herlie as Gertrude. *Throne of Blood* (1957) with Isuzu Yamada as Lady Asaji Washizu or *Macbeth* (1948) with Jeanette Nolan as Lady Macbeth.

> {quote:title=MissGoddess wrote:}{quote} > The protagonist is a little girl and everyone else is eccentric. 5 Reasons The Greatest Movie Villain Ever is a 'Good' Witch http://www.cracked.com/article_18881_5-reasons-greatest-movie-villain-ever-good-witch.html

I am very much looking forward to tonight's airing of *The Hatchet Man* (1932). I have not seen it in many years and I remember it fondly. I have wondered about *Paradise For Three* (1938) as the description does not seem to match the listing as a comedy. I will watch it based solely on your recommendation.

> {quote:title=casablancalover wrote:}{quote} > Nostalgic is the fantasy memory of the experience, That is perfectly and beautifully said.

> {quote:title=willbefree25 wrote:}{quote} > Where would fantasy films fall? I easily buy William Powell keeping a mermaid that he found in salt water in his freshwater pool. Is that one or two suspensions? It is one suspension of disbelief and one cry of foul that the director made a grievous error. > But how about the Orry Kelly (or some variation thereof) dresses afforded by all the females working at switchboards? Or all the drop dead gorgeous apartments afforded by all those working at menial jobs? I believe the clothing and apartments do not require a separate suspension of disbelief. You innately know that you are entering another environment. It is as if you are going into India that you do not expect to see all the people in t-shirts and jeans or three-piece suits such as the people in NYC wear.

> {quote:title=casablancalover wrote:}{quote} > Casablanca is a perfect example. Not only can a member of the Underground walk around in broad daylight along side Nazis after escaping from a Concentration camp, yet not be picked up, but his wife can carry on a deep love affair while he's in captivity, and we love her for her ambivalence .. and he will continue his work -from America. It should not require a suspension of disbelief that such people could mingle. There were many places which were officially neutral and they tolerated all parties who did not make trouble. There is an old story of an SS officer, an English Marine and a French pilot who had to share a hotel suite while in Bern during the early days of the war. They united and stood 'shoulder-by-shoulder as arms-together' to demand that a charge for concierge service be removed from their bill. > Harvey is another good example of multiple suspensions. --A man befriends his 6 foot rabbit after a night of drinking (remember the reveal in Act 2). His concerned sister wants him cured from his delusions,, but Elwood seems to be able to escape the sanitarium rather easily. Elwood keeps getting drinks at his favorite watering holes and no one wondering anything about it, while in public. Suspension beyond the original suspension. The friendly, delusional drunk. and other's see Harvey as well. I believe that fantasy and science fiction rely heavily on their genres' tropes. It should not require a suspension of disbelief that a person can see a magical figure which others can not see. That behaviour has been well-established by many old tales and can be accepted as a peculiarity of the individual. It is much the same as in the Topper movies. The suspension of disbelief is that they are ghosts. I believe it does not require a separate suspension of disbelief that only one person can see them. I believe the only suspension of disbelief in *Harvey* is that a pooka has befriended a friendly sot. The movie is about the implications of that and how people react to a presence they can not perceive.

> {quote:title=EugeniaH wrote:}{quote} > Interesting point of view, SansFin. Can you think of a movie that illustrates this (as in the second sentence)? The only one which comes to my mind quickly is: *The Lounge People* (1992). I feel that it requires multiple suspensions of disbelief. > Or, is it that if both plot and characters are unbelievable the movie doesn't go over as well, so it's better if the plot is absurd and the characters are "normal" (or the reverse)? I do not believe that believability is part of this equation. We do not have to suspend belief far when a character is absurd because we have all met people we believe are delusional in extreme proportion or when a plot is absurd because we have all had days when we feel that Rod Serling is standing around the corner talking about us. I know a man who carries the glasses/mustache/nose joke disguise and a large cigar which is wrapped in tissue paper with him at all times because he can not predict when he will want to do his Cheech Marin impersonating Groucho Marx impression. He is an excellent cardiac surgeon and he is well-respected in all manners except for his bedside manner. He has also been known to sing Broadway show tunes while cutting open patients' hearts. I will not state an absurd situation as the only one of those which comes to my mind is embarrassing. > There are obvious movies where you have check reality at the door before watching, like "The Wolfman" with Lon Chaney Jr. I believe that the: 'a man can change into a wolf' premise does not require a full suspension of disbelief as it is a trope well-rooted in our cultural mythology. No one in our family has ever been one and we have never dated one and yet we know things about them such as that the full moon changes them and that they become one by being bitten by one and that they can be killed with a silver bullet. They are quasi-real for us and so the movie can have a separate suspension of disbelief regarding its main plot.