SansFin
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I have read that part of inspiration for The Count of Monte Cristo by A. Dumas pere was idea that people above certain level of wealth could create their own justice and secretly decide fate of others.
*Prince of Foxes* (1949) is about machinations of Borgia family which was infamous for their wealth and power. Is that type of thing you mean?
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I have seen *Short Circuit* (1986) only once. It was part of mindbend. Esso had me watch it and then watch *High Art* (1998) to see Ally Sheedy as naive greenie and then as junkie lesbian artiste.
Is MO's name a play on Omnibot 17mu? -I am sorry I do not know how to put Greek letter into post but mu is English version of Greek letter used in name.- MO does not look like Omnibot 17mu but there is similarity to Omnibot 5402 as if it could be ancestor before species evolved very high foreheads:
I saw connection between Wall-E and Buster Keaton. Sad eyes and fidgety hands. Always seeming to be out of place. I can believe Buster Keaton was part of inspiration and protomodel for robot.
I loved contrast between Wall-E and Eve. He is mechanical, shabby and very self-conscious. She is sleek and clean, confident and somewhat magical. One feels they could take apart Wall-E and understand every part but one can only marvel at Eve. It is very stereotypical but it is how many men feel about themselves and it is how many women want to be seen by men.
hlywdkjk - it is not safe to include only part of poem. When I saw your caption I immediately thought of:
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I took the one less traveled. Now I'm living on nuts and berries, and if the park rangers don't find me soon, I'm a goner." I found your reference very funny and apt but I had to pull my mind back to original poem.
What I find amazing about good animation is use of body language to great effect. I have read that 95% of human communication is through body language to enhance or replace words. I could feel MO's frustration by posture and narrowing of eyes. In picture posted by HamRadio we see Wall-E's wistfulness while Eve giggles. It is so perfectly clear he is in love without saying a word. Such things have not been seen to such great extent in movies since silents.
I think Wall-E might become classic movie as opposed to cult classic in future. Things that make it less than perfect for me are that I find songs grating on my nerves after short while and I find Fred Willard very irritating and too smarmy. I know that is why he was cast for part but it is far too much of 'good thing'.
Edited by: SansFin on Sep 18, 2010 6:43 PM
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> {quote:title=filmlover wrote:}{quote}
> As I said, it is available as a 2-DVD set, too. Follow the link I provided.
I found a 2-DVD set on Barnes & Noble which has what you say. With all discounts it is $16.80. I am afraid that is far out of my budget for only two movies even with extras. Thank you for the link but I can not use it. Amazon is blocked in my browser.
I very much prefer sets where more than one movie is on each DVD. I know quality is less but I hate sitting through advertisements and such before movie starts and each company has different ways of coding so it is not always easy to skip past them to beginning of movie.
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Most of the recent movies I like are animation. It may be because they follow traditional storytelling techniques. It strikes me that good animation needs to make watchers identify with something which is not human and so does much more towards characterization than live-action movies do. Wall-E is defintely a character!
I am chuckling now because I remember frustration of little brush robot trying to clean up after Wall-E. I will have to watch this movie tomorrow. -
Horror
The Black Cat (1968)
Throne of Blood (1957)
The Haunting (1963)
13 Ghosts (1960)
Cat People (1942)
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> But I don't ever see someone who creates art or entertainment as " having a job" in terms of depicting anything specifically moral or immoral.
I believe that is part of any job description for creating content for Hallmark Channel
Some of their movies have been very good but I do not believe they are memorable or truly influential.
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> {quote:title=FredCDobbs wrote:}{quote}
> You mean you want to teach kids with movies that its ok for them to kill or lynch people who make their lives miserable? So you think its ok for husbands to kill nagging wives, irritating bosses, rude school teachers, etc.?
What is being shown is concept they may be killed if they are a bad person. This is shown very often in real life. I have not seen it but have heard of a movie called *Burning Bed* which is based on true story. I am sure there are many others.
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> {quote:title=C.Bogle wrote:}{quote}
> Maybe some classic movie fans are so enamored of these films that they think they
> play a huge part in a person's intellectual and moral development. Guess again.
I have seen interviews with staff at NASA and Goddard saying they became rocket scientists because of sci-fi movies and television shows.
I very much believe art does not have great influence on extreme behavior. It is more likely that people with violent tendencies will prefer movies with depictions of violence than they will like movies about bunny rabbits making friends with squirrels. Most murderers in 50s and 60s chewed gum. Did chewing gum make them murderers or did their natural tendencies towards violence lead them to like feeling of chomping on something?
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> {quote:title=filmlover wrote:}{quote}
> you should buy the Forbidden Planet 2-DVD set or the Blu-ray because they have, of course, Forbidden Planet, but also The Invisible Boy movie with Robby the Robot and an episode of The Thin Man TV series called "Robot Client" with Robby. Plus it also has the excellent TCM documentary, "Watch the Skies" and a featurette on Robby.
That sounds like very nice set but on my budget I can not think of buying Blu-ray. I like sets which have more than one movie on each DVD.
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> {quote:title=HarryLong wrote:}{quote}
> I would like to see box set of Robbie the Robot. He is not important in serious cinema sense but I like very much every movie I have seen him in.
> He's only in two.FORBIDDEN PLANET and THE INVISIBLE BOY*
> Though he did quite a lot of TV...
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> *Three if you count GREMLINS.
He was also in *Invasion of the Neptune Men* and one other I can not recall.
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> {quote:title=FredCDobbs wrote:}{quote}
> When kids see movies like this on TV, they think its ok to kill someone if the person is bad, like Rebecca was supposed to have been.
It is same as western morality of killing man in black. Children learn robbers and murderers get shot by man in white. Faithful-to-book version of *Rebecca* may teach them that making spouse's life miserable carries same penalty as claim jumping.
Different people take different things from same story. Classic example is *Cinderella*
Cinderella slept in a wood bin. She dressed in rags. She had to work very hard while her step-sisters played.
Now she lives in palace. She wears elegant gowns. She has an army of servants at her beck and call.
This teaches girls that right pair of shoes can change your life.
This teaches boys that being handsome prince is not enough. You must also be good provider to make woman happy.
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Is it permitted to speak of movies less than ten years old? I suppose I have to just risk it.
I did the book and repeating movie thing with Prisoner some weeks ago. I found as many overlaps with it as with Sorcerer's Stone and Chamber of Secrets That is: while I was reading the same scene was playing and I could see structure of scene being used intact. Most significant change I noticed was: in book Scabbers was found in Hagrid's hut and in movie Hargrid had found Scabbers and kept him for Ron. All other changes I saw were justified or required by print-into-images translation. It is better storywise in movie because it implies Scabbers/Peter's attempt to escape Hogwarts had been twarted and explains why he still was there many days after his fake death. My favorite added scene was of witch and wizard chorus. Other added scenes I noticed were implied in text but not explored in detail as they were in movie.
I feel Prisoner is poorest book of first three. I felt it was transitional work between word count limits for new novelists and ability to blather on because it was known book would be printed no matter what. If her editor would have been more strict the plot would not have seemed to wander as much as it did.
I have not yet started Goblet of Fire I saw movie some time ago but do not remember much of it. I tried to start novel but can not concentrate enough to get past first few pages. It may have to wait until my esso comes home.
I have not yet read nor am I allowed to watch movies of Order of the Phoenix or Half-Blood Prince
Perhaps Prisoner is best movie on many levels but I am uncomfortable with storyline of wrongfully-imprisoned man. It touches too close to home.
I like original Sorcerer's Stone best. It has naive charm. It is excellent example of how to use cgi to enhance story rather than replacing story. I believe it will be considered classic film.
As it is approaching its tenth anniversary it may not be too long before it airs on TCM. Quick Question: how many winced when they read that sentence?
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> Could it be that these women, save for Hallie, marry as a security measure more than love?
I do not think those women married for security more than for love. That those men represented security made it easier for women to fall in love with them. It is like: "Lorelei Lee: Don't you know that a man being rich is like a girl being pretty? You wouldn't marry a girl just because she's pretty, but my goodness, doesn't it help?"
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> That routine would become a chore for me.
Most time on my job is spent sitting with nothing to do. Watching classic movies is better than watching plain television.
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> How are you choosing the order you're watching them in? Are you trying to watch a specific number a day/week or just watching them when you're in the mood? With so many films to watch, I can see where you might reach a saturation point and need to take a break from it for a few days.
I have tried many orders. Best seemed to be to sort list by type - comedy, mystery, crime etc. - then by last letter of director's name then by date total - 1939 = 19+39 = 22 - and choose every seventh title. It produced very varied mix. That carried me through April to July but then it seemed I would be watching all comedies later in fall since other types were running out. Now I just look at list of what is left and pick some.
I like to see at least four each day. I know that will get me through all of them before XMas. There are days with many more if they are short. I did not think to keep strict count for each day but I think there were at least two days where I watched sixteen movies in one day. That was when I was going through '20-minute mystery' section and all movies were from eighteen to twenty-nine minutes long.
I have had several breaks. I spent ten days helping rebuild farm destroyed by flood. We had no television or any way to recharge laptops or iPods. Ever run the D-8 Cat for ten hours each day? I was very happy to curl up in chair and watch movies without stopping when I came home.
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I like Film Noir very much but I do not seek out movies just because they are that. I tend to find they are either excellent or lousy with no middle ground. I can not recall a single so-so film noir. That may be because either they draw me into dark underworld or they seem very superficial.
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If I stay with my schedule I will watch movie number one thousand next week. This is in addition to movies new to me I have watched on TCM during this time. I think it would be nice to have one thousandth movie be special but I am past all ones I know.
I wish I had thought of some things sooner. It was not until end of July I realized I should be marking DVDs I want to watch again and those I really like.
Watching so many each day has led to some confusion. It is almost like those in Vole thread. At end of day I seem to remember John Wayne fighting Martians while Doris Day in blackface sang Camptown Races
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I believe Harry Potter books are very well constructed in plot, pacing and other technical issues. They do not seem special to me on word-and-sentence level of writing. That may be why they work so well in being made into movies. Their structure is what is important and that can be translated from print to visual.
I am currently doing thing where I put movie in DVD player on repeat and have it on while I read. There are instances where I am reading exact passage being shown in movie. It is easy to see how they moved from one medium to other. They were able to reproduce structure very well.
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I do take this issue seriously and I believe it is grave injustice that many deserving series and stars do not have box sets. I say that because I do not wish anyone to think I am being flippant when I say I would like to see box set of Robbie the Robot. He is not important in serious cinema sense but I like very much every movie I have seen him in.
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> 7.) If a film is in the public domain, who has the right to get it out of there, or is this even possible at all?
I do not believe it is possible to remove a film from public domain unless it can be proven in court it should not have been given that status.
There is the niche problem I find interesting. A film may be in public domain while its source material may still be copyrighted. When the copyright on a film expires the film moves into public domain. Anyone with a print of the film may sell it, distribute it, copy it, license it for broadcast and many other things. The problem is when people wish to restore a film in public domain. Copyright law has held that such restoration constitutes a new version of the material. That is why restored copy can be copyrighted. For some films the original author sold rights to only make one film. A restored version can be considered a remake. Some claim restoration people need to again acquire rights from book's copyright holder. That can be expensive even when little or no money changes hands because of time involved in having contracts drawn. It can become very complicated when copyright for book is held by different people in different countries.
It has been many years since I was close to this issue. At that time different courts had ruled in different ways to what extent rights had to be purchased again. Each of those rulings concentrated on issues particular to that case. I have not heard of case which touched on the heart of this issue or settled it so conclusively that people are comfortable making restorations of all public domain films.
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> One of us would probably backhand the dragon and possibly slit its throat without thinking when it tried to interrupt us.
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> Ha.. well.. at least it would still be dead.
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When my esso was in hospital he was working on a scene for his novel. The nurse went into his room and found him having an argument with a dragon. He told her he was a writer and showed her a tape recorder he was using to dictate the scenes. She did not care for his explanation and made notes in his chart about possible drug interactions causing mental problems. The hospital's staff psychologist visited him next day.
Sulphur-breathed egg-laying wyrms can really get you into trouble!
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> For me and my money.. it is WAY more rewarding (in a relationship) to tackle the dragon as a TEAM. The QT has HIS strengths.. and he brings them to the table.. and I have mine.. and I bring those to the table.. and then it's "DRAGON WATCH YOUR BACK" We are one team working together.. and that is a beautiful thing.
I believe it is a matter of where you are in your life. My first husband was very much my knight in shining armor. He was military pilot and so very handsome in his uniform. No dragon could have stood against him. It was grand until I found I was becoming nothing but his shadow. After all these years I am rather numb to it and think his passing when he did was good thing because it happened as I began to feel his life was not enough for me.
I believe Catherine's being-as-she-was was much like that. She went for glory and found it sadly lacked depth. Perhaps I read too much into her story but I feel she was very much a victim to things she could not understand and did not know how to deal with.
I can imagine what would happen if me and my next had to fight a dragon. We would most likely start to argue about who would use the spear. He would want me to have it since my arms are shorter than his. I would want him to have it because I am very much a close-in fighter. One of us would probably backhand the dragon and possibly slit its throat without thinking when it tried to interrupt us.
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I wait for credits to roll but not because I want to see name of the caterer's therapist's dry-cleaner. I wait because by time they end there is no crowd to push and shove.
I am chuckling now because I remember frustration of little brush robot trying to clean up after Wall-E. I will have to watch this movie tomorrow.
(there is more than one way to kill those rotten dragons, ha)
FILM NOIR -Love it, Hate it, or not sure?
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I believe basis for film noir is showing people are not simple constructs.
There is so much good in the worst of us,
And so much bad in the best of us,
That it hardly behooves any of us
To talk about the rest of us.
- Edward Wallis Hoch
Before advent of anti-hero most movies showed only one side of characters. Film noir showed good people can have dark side. Racism is one of those dark sides.