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Everything posted by JamesJazGuitar

  1. We both would like TCM to stick close to its current format of mostly pre-60 movies but as mentioned, as time marches on what is an 'older' movie changes. Thanks for the your view on Unforgiven.
  2. I see your point since Unforgiven was more of a noir western but can you name a few of those things? Yes, the star was had a bad pasted but this was true in 50s westerns also. e.g. in Shane it is hinted at him having a pass as a killer gunfighter. Other classic westerns have had an evil lawman. I enjoy the movie and maybe I'm blind but I really don't see what is so groundbreaking about it.
  3. Of course this discussion isn't about any textbook definition of 'classic' but Misswonderly did provide one and as one can see there are multiple layers to the term which combine elements of quality, time and other factors. As MFF points out depending too much on time muddle the waters which is why, as time moves on, other qualifications are useful for clarity. e.g. A classic rock station in 30 years in their ads might have to say 'classic rock from the 50s, 60s and early 70s', while in the 90s those additonal qualifications weren't necessary. Now on to movies; I don't know that
  4. I have to agree with MFF that if one has seen even parts of the movie one shouldn't have to say what 'low brow' means and doing so might offend some people (using a term like 'hicks' for example). Because of the unsung heros thread and the discussion on Fred I went to watch the movie. But after I heard Bob give his preview and his comments about Marrjorie Main's role being like the Ma Kettle movies I was turned off since that just isn't my cup of tea. Fred did a lot of 'high brow' comedy in the 30s with Lombard and I was hoping this movie was along those lines. I had the movie on
  5. Hey, nothing wrong with a snarky attempt at humor. Well a while back in a discussion on John Wayne people did post the results of actors polls and, yea, it is difficult to say how 'valid' these polls were. Someone pointed out that Wayne ranked higher than any other classic actor because the poll had more older conservative people (I'm not saying this is true or not but results for these type of polls should be taken with a grain (lump?) of salt. I think we agree that as time marches on some people (actors, musicians, artist), get over exposed and are remembered way more than they
  6. Interesting point of view here. To me it all depends if one intentionally leaves someone out or they do so because time is limited and there are so many 'things' to cover. For example, in infomal discussions about the greatest jazz guitarist with fellow musicians someone will alway say 'how could you leave 'joe' out of the discussion,, insane,,, he was one of the best,,,'. Most of the time we will all say 'hey, we agree, we just forgot about him or we where more focused on others or other eras', but yea sometime someone will also say 'are you joking!!!, that clown is a hack!'
  7. And of course since TCM runs this site and doesn't charge users for using it they can have whatever type of policy they want. Like you I want the 'powers that be' to use a light touch but as you noted they clearly post the conduct rules. Those that don't like them should find another place to play. i.e. on one can really cry foul.
  8. I agree that that the 'first part of #1' also applies to movies and music since most people agree that some time has to pass to define something as a classic. Thus as we have all discussed before, say 15 or 20 years from now, could TCM show mostly movies from the 70s and even 80 and still say they are the classic movie station since those movies are now at least over 30 years old? My view is this; The 'classical' period of movies (or say even rock music), should NOT continue to expand as time marches on, but technicall it does if ones depends too much on rule #1. Thus over t
  9. I believe Dave Davies did release a solo album and you are correct that those two Kinks songs you listed were very good (but I do wish Ray did the singing instead of Dave, oh well). I was able to see the Kinks may times in their 'down' period (sometime in the late 70s early 80s before they were 'rediscovered' and put out some new material. They would play 3,000 or less places and it was a kick. But they would also get too wasted so by the second set it would be a mess.
  10. Sorry I really wasn't trying to get all technical; I just wondered if there were an 'valid' listings. But Harry how does one really know something (a movie, an actor, an artist etc..), is ignored unless there is some type of polling, even an informal one? So I just wonder what basis people here are using to determine who is ignored and who isn't. I sited the CFU favorite 'rankings' once and many people said those were meaningless, but they didn't really have anything else to replace them as it relates to directors. I have seen the actor polls and of course the movie ranki
  11. I agree with you that if the term 'classic' just means 'good movie' than the term doesn't have any real meaning and isn't useful. Thus I really don't even like the combination of terms used in 'modern classic'.
  12. You are so correct that as time marches on branding will have an impact on what is rememebered (and to those with a financial stake, more importantly, what people are willing to pay for), and what is forgetten. Thus what is also interesting about the concept is how much of this branding is pushed by those wishing to make a financial gain and how much of it is more 'organic' (for lack of a better term), and just driven by the taste of the public and the sheer strength of the artist work. Of course a little of both comes into play as we see with the Beatles; i.e. how their works are p
  13. While I also wish for TCM to show mainly 'classic' movies (what I define as pre-production code and post production code studio system movies), it is also silly to say all movies made after this classic period are 'drivel'.
  14. It would be interesting to see what film there is since Flynn after 1950 looked very tried and I don't feel able to pull of these type of action roles. Frankly if I was casting I this movie in 1953 I would of used Lancaster.
  15. For something or someone to be underrated doesn't there have to be a rated listing in the first place? Thus is there some type of rating listing for directors? e.g. like the AFI list of top 100 movies? I would be interested in a list of, say the top 25 US movie directors, as long as the source of any listing was provided. e.g. a list produced by the directors guild of America or something along those lines. Where is movieprofessor when I need him!
  16. Well as anyone that has worked in an office or corporation environment knows sometimes frustration can occur not because of what one receives but because of what someone else receives compared to what one receives. i.e. one is happy making a certain salary until one finds out that THEY make more than 'I' or that THEY get to do XYZ while 'I' don't get to! Thus if someone is getting those juicy roles and 'I' feel I can do them well than better, than that could get under 'my' skin. Funny under the Monroe diaries thread some are saying how hard it is being an actor. As you noted an
  17. I know of no source that says Remember The Night is a noir. The script was written by Preston Sturges and the director was Mitchel Leisen. It is mostly a romantic comedy but as fans of Sturges know he did add dark elements to his comedies (first as a screenwriter and than as a director) but not dark enough to be labeled noir in my view.
  18. You are correct that Mr Lucky is along the same lines as the other two movies. Of course with Grant they played up the romance more than the other two movies and there was less violence directly against the Nazis. Grant gets his licks in (well his foot!), but it is used on Paul Steward a fellow hood. Steward was at his evil best in the movie and played it very well.
  19. Well I haven't seen Murder, He Says and since I'm a Fred fan I'll have to check that out. Again, I not saying Fred is forgotten by classic movie fans in these roles but if we had a name association game and classic fans were given a name of a movie and asked to say the first name that comes to their mind assocaited with said movie, I don't believe Fred's name would come up very often. I really don't see Fred winning this word association game with the other two movies. My view is that DI is known first as one of THE classic noir movies, than a Barbara movie, than a Fred movie,
  20. While I agree with McCrea as SOTM the good thing is the 4 movies you list have been shown on TCM in recent months and they are shown fairly often (if my memory is on track). One reason is that other than his later westerns McCrea wasn't THE star of these movies. By 'THE' I mean that the movies didn't revolve mainly or solely around him as an actor. Foreign Correspondent - a Hitchcock movie The More the Merrier - Jean Authur was the star since she was at her peak Palm Beach Story - Preston Sturges movie Sullivan's Travels - Sturges movie Of course all great directors did movi
  21. Hey, I see where you are coming from but calling a man a coward gets fairly close to 'road kill' and like I said not something one can actually prove unless there is specific content. Anyhow I love that line "without actually intending to roadkill someone" and I'm going to use it without your premission.
  22. Hey Harry I might be wrong as it relates to Fred and Double Indemnity. I was reviewing the Stanwyck filmgraphy and when she does movies with Bogie, Flynn, Gable, or Cooper she is listed second. When she does movies with McCrea, Heflin, and many other she is listed first. Of course this is also true with Fonda (someone that is a major star), so maybe my entire theory about billing is all wet! But in DI (44) Fred is listed first. Now in Remember the Night (41), also with Fred, Babs is listed first. Now she didn't go down in stature in 3 years and both movies are by Paramount so
  23. There is also the story about Bogie and Tracy. They were friends and the 4 (Hepburn Bacall), would get togethere from time to time. Bacall always wondered why they didn't do a movie togethere. Well based on my understanding it was because of who would be billed first. Not a lifeboat! Great line.
  24. Well it does appear you called Wayne a coward and to me that is way over the top since one cannot judge anyone as being a coward until one has been place in a situation that requires courage. With regards to younger actors as we discussed the services are now voluntary and the last few 'wars' a lot different than WWII. To me not joining the services says little about one's POV.
  25. I view movies like Hands Across The Table as a Lombard movie (not to sound like a lawyer but Carole did have top billing over Fred). Of course many major male stars like Bogie, Cooper, Wayne, etc.. made movies with major actresses of the time but they didn't get second billing. If they accepted any compromiss it was joint billing. Funny how this 'billing' was such a big deal with stars but hey stars have egos. But yea in those Disney films Fred got top billing (I don't recall but I assume he didn't getting billing before the title which only major stars get), and sadly to the u
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