JamesJazGuitar

Well like you I also didn't do 'full research' on the music of DeHavilland films but yea, a lot of great scores, and not just the early years. But being an Olivia nut, I know I'm bias!

Well I'm still sticking to my opinion about the Who as it relates to the Townshend deciding to form a band with a lead singer (as well as how bands are formed in general). Deciding to get a lead singer is a major step for a song writer to take, when deciding to form a band (and most bands are formed by song writers, they don't happen by chance as you imply). Like I said Townshend could of just formed a trio (e.g. like the Cream). The Who is clearly Townshend band as it relates to the songwriting. The idea for Tommy and a rock opera? 100% Pete. (but Entwistle did write some nice songs, but nowhere near the number from Pete) If Pete and Daltry wouldn't of been able to get along Pete would of formed another band and the music from that band would still be very close to the Who we know today (especially if Pete hired someone like Robert Plant). But there is no way Daltry could of formed his own band (singer that do NOT write songs rarely form bands but instead join existing ones or go for a singles act). Note for Zep, Plant was the missing link Page had been looking for. Someone mentioned The Doors; Well they are NOT like The Who in that Morrison wrote fantastic lyrics. Daltry didn't write lyrics. Pete wrote them as well as the music. I love Daltry's singing (but I wish he would button his shirt, i.e. that Sandy performance) and, again, Pete was very wise to have him join the band. But clearly Daltry is a voice for hire. Oh, and The Beatles clearly hired Ringo after firing Best. Again, most bands are formed by those that write the songs. i.e. the song writers decide who is in or out. PS: I would add Neil Young as someone that I wished had done what Pete did. Oh, well we are left with what they did do and it is still great stuff. Edited by: jamesjazzguitar on Jan 27, 2013 7:06 PM

Tom, for the record Fred and I were just joking. It relates to a post Fred got in the Black Widow thread he created where someone implied one shouldn't start a thread with a title that just offers an opinion. I cannot speak for Fred but I believe the other post might of been the reason he made the joke about the title of your thread, which was of course a question when it appears you had someone strongly in mind. Anyhow that is what caused me to make my lame black widower joke. Sorry if you didn't get the inside joke. As for DeHavilland verses Flynn, the movies they were in together cancel each other out. But I believe Olivia might still have more. Other than the NON Flynn movies already mentioned there is Gold Is Where You Find It with Steiner, The Strawberry Blonde (Heinz Roemheld), and My Cousin Rachel (Franz Waxman).

Well I agree with you (Fred), here. I don't view Black Widow as a 'women noir' since the plot revolves around the Heflin character. It is he that is suspected of murder. So it isn't just that he has the most screen time but also that the entire story revolves around him and his actions. i.e. the fact that he let this very strange and then evil young women (as seen from the perspective of the viewer) into his life. I also like the film and found it interesting but I also understand why it doesn't 'work' as well as it should for the reasons you point out.

Yea, it does look like Tom was gaming us to some degree, doesn't it, but that doesn't make him a black widower.

Well your ramble echoes my feelings. Yea, I wish there were more movies shown that I hadn't seen before, DUH, who wouldn't want that, but like you, when I;m hitting the remote and the wife asks 'can't you settle on one station!' I know I can turn to TCM and typically find something of quality even if I have seen it before. When that doesn't work, I'm reminded that I should take more walks! (I try to walk those 10,000 steps). I also love the History Channel but also the Food Network (but talk about repeats!). Edited by: jamesjazzguitar on Jan 27, 2013 7:10 PM

I always felt it was Townsend but according to Google it is Pete Townshend. Really check it out before you act so smarmy. Pete Townshend Peter Dennis Blandford "Pete" Townshend is an English rock guitarist, vocalist, songwriter and author, known principally as the guitarist and songwriter for the rock group The Who, as well as for his own solo career. [Children|http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbo=d&biw=1366&bih=562&q=petetownshendchildren&sa=X&ei=PpEFUfatG8vo2gXZkYH4DA&sqi=2&ved=0COIBEOgT]*:* , , Edited by: jamesjazzguitar on Jan 27, 2013 3:48 PM As for the WHO: When someone is the creative genius behind a band and they go to form a band instead of having a solo career they pick the members they feel a best for the band. Pete could of formed a trio where the base player or guitar sang. i.e. a typical trio set up (yea, Drummers can also sing but this is less common). Instead it was decided that the band would have a lead singer whose only 'job' was to sing. That was a wise career move on Pete's part. I have been in a few bands and they all revolve around the songwriters. The others are really just 'guns for hire'. A wise songwriter understands their limitations and forms a band with the best 'guns' they can find. This is what Pete did. Note that to do so one has to put their ego aside. Often the lead singer, even if they do NOT write any songs is viewed as the front man by the public. Dylan could of made that same choice. Again, I pointed out why he didn't (because his influences were singer songwriters). I also admit my post was wild speculation and that there was folly involved in said speculation. What Dylan was great BUT if he had did what Pete just maybe the final product would of been even better. Edited by: jamesjazzguitar on Jan 27, 2013 3:52 PM

I didn't see the picture until now (when I just posted), and to me it looked like the young Teri that I remembered. Especially since the picture has her with that same long blonde hair. I only mention that because changes in hair often fool me; i.e. it can be difficult to just look at the facial features instead of focusing on the hair style and color.

Well I support any type of contest that has Olivia coming out on top! But after reading all of this great info it is understandable that adventure yarns and epic's often have the greatest musical scores and in Olivia's early career she was the lead actress in a lot of them.

Well in October 2002, Garr publicly confirmed that she was battling multiple sclerosis. On December 21, 2006, she suffered a brain aneurysm in her home.

Well there is also the concept of hearing the song as an original and getting use to that version as the 'it' version that I believe influences one's preferences when comparing it to covers done later. This is why I mention artist like Townshend that hired singers to sing their music. Say Dylan had joined a band and hired a more 'professional' singer but one with 'truth' in their voice and that all those great Dylan songs were released by that band with that singer. Would the 'end result' be better? I believe it would. But of course this is just speculation and thus folly to a degree. But it is a lot different than hearing a cover of a song put out by someone else years after hearing and getting use to the original. I have heard Townshend original versions (music he created in his home studio before he recorded the songs with the Who), and while they have more 'truth' the Who's version is just a more complete (polished) final product in my opinion. I guess what I'm saying is truth might be overrated.

Wow, such negativity. The initial post was only one person's opinion and not everyone agrees with it and the OP was very open to feedback that disagreed with said opinion. That is the purpose of a forum like this. Edited by: jamesjazzguitar on Jan 27, 2013 3:51 PM

Since you lived in very cold places I would think people would hear hats to keep warm. Maybe not the nice hats seen here and known for their fashion but something to keep the head warm and to prevent lost of body heat. The times I have been to NYC or Chicago in the winter I wore a wool cap.

What we will never know of course is IF those Bogie movies would of 'got anywhere' if Raft had taken the part. I really don't think so. Bogart was able to convey emotions that Raft just couldn't in my view.

Yes, Dylan's music it is great music, on paper, but often the actual product Dylan released is not. Note that artist like Simon, Townshend, and Page all decided to work with someone that was known for being a singer. To me this is one of the primary reasons their work stands out (as well as the quality of the other band members). Dylan's music is first class but there is a reason covers of his tunes are often better than his original version. But Dylan's influences were singersongwritters so I understand why he took that course. Note that Cole Porter could sing and play his music but I would rather listen to Sinatra and Riddle play it.

Why would TCM have to invest the money? Don't they own the rights to those WB, MGM, or RKO movies already or do those movies need to be restored before they could be shown? I have edited my post after reading the one before it by Calvinnme. I found this comment interesting; TCM hasn't played it since I've been keeping records, which is 2007. If the movie was in good enough condition in 2007 to show, wouldn't it be in 2013? I can understand restoration cost being a factor in what to show (but also a somewhat lame excuse), but if there are movies in the TCM library that are in 'good enough' shape I see no reason NOT to include them in their rotation. Edited by: jamesjazzguitar on Jan 26, 2013 5:24 PM

You're correct that there are many movies TCM already has in their library that they could show instead of the same old stuff. e.g. WB and MGM movies. Of course I would like TCM to spend the necessary funds to access movies NOT in their existing library, but I don't know if the right holders would be 'reasonable' (i.e. provide those rights at a reasonable price). Either way less repeats and more premiers would be great.

Yes, he was great as the heavy. Another very good role for him was in Marked Women with Bette Davis and Bogart.

Yes, that is the article. Thanks for posting it. Like I said it is my understanding the new movie, as well as prior ones, were driven more by the character 'Parker' and not the specific plot of Point Blank, per se.

I always laugh at the ending of Morocco. If they were really in the Sahara that sand would of been very, very hot. She would of been able to run on it for about 20 seconds before getting massive blisters. But as we all know love conquers all! As for the movie Weekend Marriage, you're on target and echo what I posted. Sadly they were serious but the good news is few think this way today (at least in the USA).

The LA Times had an article about this a few days ago written by the director of the new movie. (sorry no link but you should be able to find it). What he discuss is the writter of the books more than prior movies. IF my memory is correct, he said that none of the 'remakes' used the name of Parker, and in fact they were NOT really remakes as it relates to the plot. i.e. the focus was on the character - not a good guy not a bad guy, but someone out for himself.

RO's intro mentioned that the movie was 'dated' as it related to women working but he also said it reflected the times. Note this plot line wasn't uncommon and there are movies in the 50s that make a similar point. Putting women or races 'in their place' was done far too often in movies (and not just period films). So what type of info are you looking for? I doubt you're going to find something that explains why the screenwriter decided to take that angle other than some lame excuse of 'in my day,,,,'. But this movie is useful to those that like to say 'the good old days'! Yea, good for some, not so good for others.

Funny you mention Bad Day at Bad Rock. I was explaining this movie to a friend a few months ago. He likes studio era movies and has some knowledge of them but only 'so so' (a lot less than us that are on this forum for sure), so I called him yesterday and told him that this movie was on today. Thus one should be careful when using a term like 'we'. Maybe there are a lot of people (or at least enough) out there that have NOT seen this movie or other 'repeats' that are casual TCM viewers. In fact I'm often surprised by people here at this forum when a movie I feel is well known (at least to ME), hasn't been seen by someone here. Don't get me wrong, in my initial post here I said I felt there were too many repeats and that I would like TCM to show more premiers. But generally the movies that are repeated are often some of the best movies from the studio era. e.g. North by North West and Casablanca are shown way too often but they are high quality productions. I loved those Young movies shown last night. First time I had seen those early WB ones. But those movies were 'programmers' and thus they're no Casablanca. Thus if TCM was to show more premiers the overall quality of the movies they would show would decrease. What is the right balance?

I'm now confused what your asking for. TCM shows many 'good old movies' at all hours. The majority of the 'repeats' (i.e. movies TCM shows, say, 4 or more times a year), are in my opinion 'good old movies'. So is the issue repeats (the showing of a movie, good or not, too often), or that generally TCM just doesn't show what you think are good movies i.e. TCM shows a lot of stinkers? Note that I also wish TCM would show less repeats and instead show movies they have NOT shown before. There are over 10 thousand talkie studio era movies (1929 - 1968), and thus there are many that TCM has never shown. The main reason for that is the cost to obtain the rights to show those movies. Thus TCM tends to show movies from the studio libraries they have the rights to (e.g. Warner Brothers, MGM, RKO etc...). But even here there are many WB movies (for example) I assume TCM has the rights to that they don't show, and instead they show the same popular or more well known WB movies (which are often very good movies and some of my favorites but I have seen them too often).

Audrey will never be forgotten unless women stop wearing black dresses, and, well, that won't happen until women stop caring about how they look, and that won't happen,,,, well you get the point.