JamesJazGuitar

Yes, to me Key Largo is clearly a noir but for those that define noir solely (or mostly), for it's visual style, I can understand why they feel it isn't a noir enough. I guess the hotel should of had a neon light for a sign and binds instead of shutters! As for E.G. as the gangster, here is what the book Film Noir (Silver Ward), has to say; His performance reflects the desperate nostalgia of one who has been "A Somebody". It personifies a typically noir, ill-fated threat against Frank and Nora, most effectively evokes the noir universe of Key Largo.

With regards to Davis and Jack Warner, they made peace after her trip to England and she got much better roles after that, starting with Marked Women and than that great run of movies (and roles fit for Bette), up until the mid 40s. The Star, released in 52 by 20th Century-Fox was made after Bette left Warner Brothers in 49. Don't get me wrong here; Jack Warner could be a jerk and wasn't known for treating actors well but he was smart enough to not mess with his biggest and best female star. It was other ladies at WB that didn't get great parts (e.g. DeHavilland, Lupino, with Olivia clearly showing she was one of the best in Hollywood after she left WB). While Bette was miscast in a few of her WB productions (e.g. A Stolen Life (46) with baby faced Ford, In This Our Life (42 with DeHavilland), Mr Skeffington (44 with Rains), the majority of her pictures after returning from England where high quality products. As for the question at hand: I'm sure there are worst ones but I have to agree with Cooper and Audrey Hepburn in Love In The After Noon. One could also say Hepburn and Bogie in Sabrina, but because Hepburn is so wonderful as Sabrina, and Bogie is such a fine actor, the movie as a whole works, even if Bogie isn't a match for young Audrey. Edited by: jamesjazzguitar on Dec 16, 2012 12:10 PM Edited by: jamesjazzguitar on Dec 16, 2012 1:43 PM

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The wife and I don't send Christmas cards. It is my understanding that people send Christmas cards to satisfy a need they have, thus I don't feel guilty for not sending out cards to those that send them to use each year (also I don't celebrate Christmas since it isn't 'my' holiday). I do enjoy getting the cards, but mostly to see how the kids have grown. In fact in most cases the card only has pictures of the kids (e.g. the card is a picture of their kids with a greeting on the back). I don't know if this is a modern practice on not, but it does feel that way to me. Also, if you don't mind me asking: why does your practice of sending cards (which I think is great since it works for you), bug your wife? Because she doesn't get a card in return?

When you say you would be willing to pay $10 - $15 for the service, what would that service include? Access to TCM's full library of movies and the ability to watch any of those movies 24 7? Is that how other steaming services work? i.e. a fixed, per month charge, but NO charge for specific usage?

I hope you didn't have to explain to your daughter what the Claire Trevor character did for a living in the movie and why even a gangster like Bogie disagreed with her lifestyle. Dead End is a very high quality movie where the various story lines really come together at the end. Great casting; each actor really was perfect for their role.

Well here is yet another case that when someone points out actual facts about a star you like you reply with 'seems a little disrespectful'. No disrespect was intended, anymore so than when you replied to TomH about Errol Flynn and Bette Davis related to that slapping scene. But when one's tragic death is the result of suicide, I don't think it is disrespectful to mention this fact. Yes, we all make errors in judgements (duh), but her history with men shows she repeated these errors over and over again, such to the point she killed herself over it. To me this forum (TCM message board), is the perfect time and place to discuss a stars choices, both the good and bad ones.

"Unfortunately, she did become the other woman again,,,". The use of the word 'unfortunately' makes it sound like being the other woman isn't a choice. This sentence is also queer to me: "And if she had not died so young, she would've had a long career" Yea, killing yourself does tend to end one's career prematurely. Reading about her on Wikipedia is a sad read, but she did make a lot of poor life choices.

Thanks for posting this. I have the book Sisters by Higham, which is where much of those words come from. I started a reply but then gave up because it was going to require me to type way too much!

Great read about the making of Magic Mystery Tour. http://www.guitarworld.com/beatles-road-magical-mystery-tour?|http://www.guitarworld.com/beatles-road-magical-mystery-tour Edited by: jamesjazzguitar on Dec 14, 2012 2:35 PM

Payne doesn't look very happy. Could it be because he got divorced less than 2 years before this wedding? (to Ann Shirley which lasted 5 years, while the one with DeHaven lasted 6).

My favorite Frank song would be I Got You Under My Skin. This is just a very well constructed Cole Porter song that Frank and Riddle make a great version of. i.e. the combination of all of their talents is on display here. Here's That Rainy Day is also one of my favorite songs. I play this song a lot but as a bossa nova.

Not sure I'm following what you're getting at here. Crawford didn't join WB until after Davis made most of her great WB movies in the early 40s; Now Voyager, Dark Victory, etc... As for the question of who was the better 'fit' for a specific role; well since Davis got first dibs on all scripts that question of 'fit' doesn't really come into play. i.e. Jack Warner considered Davis the queen and thus gave her this power. What is interesting to me is that Davis made some poor choices once Crawford joined WB; i.e. passing up scripts that Crawford made into fine movies and accepting scripts where the movie fell flat.

I would also add that there is a big difference between an opinion and wild speculation with no basis whatsoever to support said wild speculation. But hey, this is par for the course.

Hibi, you're now my hero! As for Dall, well he got a lot of work on the stage. Maybe that is just where he wished to work. i.e. he felt his abilities were utilized more on the stage than in film.

Yes, I know one can have a 'been around the block' type of look without having actually having been around the block. Again, the bombshell type just isn't sexy to me. For example, in the movies Loy and Harlow made together I'm always more drawn to Loy.

I agree with your take here Fiance. Saying someone like Corburn, communicates nothing to me, but a choice like Mitchum does (especially when one gives their reason for why they feel differently than the crowd). This is why I mention Harlow. Yea, I can see her good qualities but she also gives me the vibe that I might catch a disease from her. As for June, have their really been post that defend her as being sexy? Oh well to each their own but I just don't see it AND when one adds that voice, well it is all down hill from there for me.

Looks like Dina Merrill to me.

I think there is a difference between a word like Redskins and Braves or Fighting XYZ. Now I do understand the terms are used by sport teams to indicate strength, and that a group are fighters in that they don't give up and work hard etc... But there is a line where calling a group fighters can lead to a more negative term like savages. e.g. terrorist are fighters but if a group feels honored by being called a terrorist they need therapy. (i.e. there is a difference between revolutionary and terrorist). I believe this is why Fiance singled out Redskins - a term that was used in a negative way in a historical context. But who I'm I to say anything. I'll be pulling for any team but Notre Dame!

June Alyson still tops my list for most sexless, even over Judy.

While I wouldn't defined Harlow as one of the most sexless stars, she does nothing for me. I don't think her face is that beautyful and I just don't like how she moves (i.e. no grace), but I have never been drawn to the bombshell types and plastic looking blondes. Give me an Ava Garnder type or a red head, anyday of the week.

I don't see much (if anything), I disagree with in what you posted; My favorites, in order are Davis, Stanwyck, than DeHavliland. Than, since I'm such a fan of 30s comedies, I go with Lombard and Arthur. Then the two Hepburns, than Crawford, Ros Russell and Loy. Thus while I tend to agree Babs never gave a poor performance (and Bette did), the top Bette movies just move me more than those of Babs and my favorite Babs movies are comedies (Ball and Eve) and the comic parts of Meet John Doe.

The movie wasn't trying to have an overall social statement but instead was more about the what was going on internally with the two characters especially Bart (which is why the film starts with Bart's childhood, his love of guns for the purpose of shooting objects but NOT living creatures). Annie and him have this love of guns in common but because Annie is psychologically damaged the use of a gun to kill isn't something she objects to but something that actually gives her pleasure. As their relationship grows Bart starts to see the real Annie and it scares him but at the same time he is too sexually attracted to her to end the relationship. It is this relationship of sex and violence that is the heart of this movie and one I find interesting.

Well I still don't think it is impossible, but we can move on from that. I have been on many threads about Wayne and I make an effort to NOT mention his politics. i.e. I make the choice not to, regardless of what I think about Wayne the man (an actor I have come to enjoy especially in this non 'Wayne' type roles like in Liberty Valance, Red River, et...). I do agree with 'just be polite'. So let me ask you; Is saying someone is a traitor being polite? To me it is not. The word traitor is a very strong one. It is used with the distinct purpose to fan flame. Being polite would be more along the lines of 'Fonda was a misguided dingbat'.

While I agree with your overall POV here to me the use of Gone With The Wind isn't the best movie one could use to illustrate these points. GWTW is a movie that was NOT cast with box office profits in mind. e.g. the casting of a relatively unknown british actress as Scarlet. Also note that fans of the book were the ones that cast Gable as Rhett. If Gable wasn't already under contract with MGM my guess is that Selnick would of paid the studio that did have Gable under contract to ensure he played the role of Rhett. So while Gable was indeed a big box office draw at the time I don't think that was the primary motive for his casting as Rhett. (or one could say that in this case it was a 'win win' for all since fans got their Rhett and the studio was able to cast their biggest male star in the lead).