JamesJazGuitar

I think we have to take each year at a time 1936: Both Dunne and Lombard played comic roles (as I'm sure you know), and comedy roles don't get the same juice as dramatic roles (but Colbert won for comedy in 34). George as note was 'middle rank'. MGM put all their backing behind their new major star Rainer (which of course didn't help Shearer as Juliet). Of course I admit bias here; Rainer's role is a secondary (supporting) type role as you mentioned. But the first time I saw her as Anna I was floored. She just impacted soooo much emotion. So I feel she deserved this oscar. Now 1937 is a very different story. I would of voted for Stanwyck in Stella Dallas, but I can see why Garbo fans have a major beef, since Camille is THE role Garbo is best known for today. Dunne again was in a comedy. So I would agree that someone other than Rainer should of won in 1937. I have never looked at 36 37 best actress from the POV of "Rainer vanquished five of the best actresses in Filmdom who never won an Oscar". Thanks for pointing that out. I just love it when someone can use 'vanquished' in an intelligent sentence. Edited by: jamesjazzguitar on Feb 14, 2012 2:34 PM

The Odd Couple is a great example of the risk the producers take by waiting so many years before having a sequel. Since the Odd Couple TV show was shown a lot as reruns, maybe this helped keep the Odd Couple 'fresh' and thus reduced the risk.

Yes, I have my own guitar (5 actually) but I cannot grate potatoes and strum at the same time! But yes, I can hum and grate.

John wrote some songs a lot more bitter than Norweigen Wood (which isn't bitter at all but of course sleeping in the bath isn't exactly romantic!). How about sending that special someone; Run for Your Life!

No since that wouldn't be a good idea. While in movies it is common for the head guy to have gay bodyguards (as a way to ensure an evil femme fatale doesn't get their hooks on them), it make no sense to get too attached to the one in charge of your security. It isn't a good idea to have that close of a relationship with your own bodyguard. So while Landau does appear interested in Mason and for sure hates Eva, I don't think Mason returned any favors. Edited by: jamesjazzguitar on Feb 14, 2012 2:12 PM

I agree with you about Rainer's performance in Ziegfeld. I just love it. As for Stanwyck; Well she is #2 in my book (just behind Bette Davis, with Olivia DeHavilland being third), but Babs isn't even in your top 10. Can you list the 10 actresses you feel have a better legacy of fine performances than Babs? Trust me, I will not throw stones, but I admit to being very curious.

My understanding of the intent of this thread was to point out that sometimes there is a long period of time between an original movie and the next initial sequel (not any sequel). The longer the amount of time from the original release until this initial sequel impacts the marketing of this initial sequel as well as the casting of the movie (e.g. are some of those original actors still around,,, a new generation of movie goers will not have seen the original etc....). To me these concepts don't apply as well to subsequent sequels made after the initial sequel. (in fact the number of years between these subsequent sequels would have more of an impact then the number of years from the original to a subsequent sequel). Thus I reviewed those examples, and based on my understanding of the intent here, I have to say I think they are bogus (miss the mark). But hey, maybe my view of the intent of this thread is bogus!

What about the music? Without the music I cannot get a thing done.

Not sure I understand what you are saying here. It appears to be: if something is made with all natural ingredients we will over-indulgence. So instead we use processed foods and just limit our portion sizes. (but again, I could be very confused, at now I'm also hungry!). I would make these hashbrowns with onions, a little sausage or bacon (cooked first to remove some of the fat), then just a little cayenne (as a way to reduce the amount of sodium but impact favor), and sharp cheddar cheese. I will admit that having to grate the potatoes is time consuming and boring. I just put on some nice 50s jazz when having to do mundane tasks like that.

Do you have the book The Films of Carole Lombard? I have a soft cover version and it is great as reference material. I also have a very nice hand drawn, using charcoal on paper, picture of her. I knew this artist and she did portraits using this technique. I gave her Gable's favorite photograph of Carole (according to the book). The finished product is just great and the picture is a main feature of my collection. This same artist also did Bette Davis and Olivia DeHavilland for me.

I still believe one can make a better tasting and of course way healthier Breakfast Cheesy Hashbrown casserole from scratch rather than starting out with a box of processed food. My guess is that Betty Crocker Julienne Cheese potatoes have ingredients that one cannot pronounce.

Well using a crock pot is still cooking but lets just say that often it is a "lazy man's" technique. But with the busy schedules a lot of people have making somethink homemade using a crock pot is still light years ahead of eating processed foods or getting take out. I only use a crock pot when I wish something to cook very slowly that doesn't require a sear (but a roast should be roasted!). For example, dried fava beans take a long time to cook so making them in a crock pot is a good use of the technique (often a gas stove top cannot be adjusted low enough to not scorch the bottom of the pan).

Didn't you see where I said 'at the time' and also mentioned 'the late 50s'? The reality of the times is part of our history. Saying so in no ways justifies this history. But it also makes no sense to ignore it. So yea, an actor as great as Denzel Washington wouldn't of been a star during that time period and someone white with lesser talent would of been so instead. Denzel, like other fine actors, would have had to wait until someone like Sidney Poitier broke the barrier. The good news is today someone like Will Smith (as just one example), can appeal to everyone and be a major box office star.

My, point was that I could see Drew TCM going either way, here. You instead have a very strong, onesided POV here in that what they are doing is odd. The fact TCM Drew don't associated Drew with some of her famous family members MIGHT relate to the same reason they didn't associated her with her movies and pick ET. For all we know Drew might of asked TCM to NOT associated her with the Barrymore 'brand' because (again) some viewers might find that tacky (self promoting, too ego driven). If this was a conscious decision by TCM Drew I don't find it odd at all (instead it can be viewed as classy). I would find her talking about her relative's movies as well as her own interesting and in no way tacky. So here we do agree that TCM is somewhat 'missing the mark', but their intention might be very good natured (assuming it was a conscious one).

I think there were many other reasons a film like The Bishop's Wife didn't have black actors, but the main one would be box office appeal and thus the bottomline. The major stars at the time were all white. There wasn't a black actor with the type of box office appeal of, say, Cary Grant. No major studio was going to bankroll a major production with black stars prior to the late 50s. Even when the original story featured non whites the studios would generally cast white people for the parts.

Isn't it just as logical, if not more so, to say: Drew would definitely NOT have chosen E.T. for obvious reasons". In other words since she is in the movie she wouldn't chose it because some might view doing so as lacking class. (kind of like voting for oneself). I don't find it odd at all that someone wouldn't pick a movie they were in.

While in many ways you are joking here Fred, I also believe you are on target as it relates to what Jennie really was. More real than Harvey!!! I just love that. That is exactly it! Anyone looking for something more concrete than that should just avoid the movie.

You consider Dunne to be more of a dramatic actress than a comic one? Dunne was versatile but I wouldnt say she rarely did comedy.

A lot of gals had a lot of moxie (e.g. Ida Lupino), but they didn't have careers to match their talent. Read about Durbin on the Fans of Durbin thread. Look at how quickly the career of Greer Garson went south after the war, etc.... Again, I don't question Lombard's talent, but I do have my doubts that one can control things out of their control, which is why I'll stick with 'we'll never know'.

Oh no, the spell checker changed a word I initially misspelled and I didn't notice it (of course I blame the software and not the operator!). I should of said vulnerable! But yes, after seeing that picture of Angie posted in this thread,,,, Edited by: jamesjazzguitar on Feb 11, 2012 3:16 PM

My view is that Lombard was the top female comic actress of the studio movie era (with Jean Arthur second). She was indeed very funny and beautiful. She was also a fine actress in drama but I don't feel any of her dramas were great movies. Had she not died young I wonder what type of movies she would of made. With WWII the type of comedies she made in the 30s were no longer being made. Arthur made some very good comedies in the early 40s but as the 40s moved on this ended. I don't question if Lombard had the talent to make the type of movies Davis or Stanwyck made in the 40s, or say, Crawford's post WWII Warner period, but, like Crawford she would of had to found a studio willing to make those type of films with her. Of course Olivia DeHavilland best period was post WWII but she had to get out from under Warner to make that happen. Again, I don't question Lombard's talent but it would of taken more than that for her to make the type of movies that would of made her more than just the finest comic actress of her generation.

The CA State Parks system is really in need of funds due to major budget cuts. About 40% of the parks are to be closed (unless cities take over the maintainance), and my guess is that this is an effort to raise money. Too bad it is sold out. Like I said I always love the drive up the CA coast.

TB is often like the Angie Dickinson character in Rio Bravo . Yea, Hawks made a lot of movies and I clearly cannot classify all of them, but based on the dozen or so Hawks movies I can recall off the top of my head, many are strong willed. There is a delicate balance between being strong and negative terms that place there women in a bad light. I think Hawks have these women do this balancing act, especially in the begining of the films, as a way to create sexual tension. The lead man at first reacts negatively to them but once the women show they have vulnerable side, the guy is hooked, and the tension eases. Edited by: jamesjazzguitar on Feb 11, 2012 1:40 PM

I assume all of these competitors end up using the same physical cable lines that run into your building and into each house. Is that how it is in 'big' apartment buildings in NYC? i.e. tenants have the option of picking from multiple cable operators? Here in Orange Country CA, in the burbs (track homes), we have only one cable company for a given 'service area'. Thus there is on competition. We have other options like Direct TV of course but only one cable company, that lease the cables that run under city property.

Ok, years later when MGM added the sound did they use the original lion? (see there is such a thing as a silly question!).