JamesJazGuitar
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You are so right about Ann. She is someone I discovered only in the last 5 years or so. I'm so glad I did. Some people just have 'it' without having to try very hard. Ann had IT.
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I find it interesting how intelligent people can take the same event and come up with very different interpretations: "Joan's disinheritance of her children (what kind of parental act is that?), speak to me".
To some the disinheritance leads them to think the child made up lies about her mom to get even and to profit.
To others the disinheritance is a sign that the mother must of abused her child.
As for intuition? Well are we all Judge Judy now? She claims she has a 6 sense that can spot who is telling the truth and who is lying. That might be good for ratings but for most of us what we define as intution is only hidden bias.
Again, I don't know what happened. I will always enjoy Joan Crawford movies and in some of them she really moves me. That is what I try to stay focused on.
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Funny you mention the credits of The Public Menace since I noticed this when it started playing.
The look of the credits was very cheap. Just printed cards that were filmed like I would get from a high school class film. I said to the wife; This is an early Arthur film made on the cheap but I hope the quality is better than the last one we watched (History is Made at Night).
The good thing was that the print quality for Public Menace was better (in fact very good as you noted). So does the other credits look more professional?
One last question: Who was The Public Menace? I couldn't tell if it was the gangster OR the reporter! (and until the very end the reporter would say it was Jean).
Always great to see something I haven't seen before from one of my all time favorties, Jean. I loved how she wore her hair and she just looked for cute.
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To me a movie like this would only be interesting if one had seen the movie and really, really liked it.
But I don't know of any 'events' that occured during the making of the film that might be interesting. e.g. that Leigh and Hitch had an affair etc... Of course one subplot of the movie could be about Perkins and his sex life.
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I'm one that likes TOTT more so then TMTM but both are very good movies.
TMTM is somewhat of a one joke comedy while TOTT is a deeper movie but with Grant and Arthur they still keep it light. Another thing that gets to me about TMTM is Arthur relationship with her so called boyfriend. That was just too phony to me. i.e. it was clear she didn't care for the guy. Thus when she falls for McCrea there is no surprise.
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This is just one of those situations were the truth is hard to determine.
Edited by: jamesjazzguitar on Mar 7, 2012 6:01 PM
Edited by: jamesjazzguitar on Mar 7, 2012 8:05 PM
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So you agree BS is versatile just not the mosts versatile. So who do you think is most versatile? Marlene? That is a good choice and I believe I was the first one to suggest her.
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Well you said ',,,usually for propaganda purposes', which implies the intent of the teacher was to show films for propaganda purposes.
Now it appears you are backing off that statement.
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What you have written is similar to statements I have read from people defending the Catholic church and the behavior of their priest or the Boy Scouts and scout leaders.
Again, I don't know what occured between Joan and Christina. Even if someone's motives are greed, it doesn't mean what they are saying isn't true.
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Even if you are correct that 'there are few films that can be shown in schools that don't have any or much of a propaganda purpose' (and I question this assumption), you still do NOT know if the reason the teacher is showing the film is for propaganda purposes.
The teacher may not feel or know that a movie you believe has a 'propaganda purpose', has that purpose. i.e. the teacher could be somewhat clueless and therefore is NOT showing the movie for a propaganda purpose.
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Yesterday was nice since I got to see two Jean movies I have never seen before; History is Made at Night and The Public Menace.
Both are good movies but I liked The Public Menace better. The lighting in History is Made at Night was just too dark. i.e. I could barely see what was going on in some scenes.
The Public Menace was funny and a typical 30s film in that everything moved very fast and the look was somewhat cheap. But Jean looked great and the plot was A-OK even if there were no surprises.
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I would say John Garfield in The Breaking Point. The scene where he is in a bar and than is joined by Patricia Neal and then later on by his wife is just great acting. It isn't an overdone drunk and how he interacts with both of these gals is just outstanding.
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Now this is an interesting discussion; Kate or Babs in The Lady Eve. To me your second sentence says it all and thus Babs is the better fit.
The character is a criminal. She is from a family of thiefs. She is a phony. She acts like she has class but it is mostly an act. So if Kate was playing her, Kate would have to really act to pull off the first half but would fit right in as The Lady Eve.
Babs is the perfect fit for the first part but not as The Lady Eve, but that is key to the plot. That she is acting and anyone that has seen the 'real her' knows it is an act (which is why Fonda's right hand man does all the silly things he does), except for Fonda because, well he is somewhat of a dunce (and of course he is in LOVE and love blinds us).
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I don't agree with your comment "Hollywood films are shown in schools usually for propaganda purposes" since there is no way for you to know if this is true or not. i.e. you do NOT know why a teacher shows a film. You are only guessing why based on your own bias.
Showing GWTW is an interesting choice and that movie would be a good example of a teacher showing a movie for 'propaganda purposes' since the movie is NOT very factual or realistic and thus not very historical.
I wonder what area of the country the movie was shown in and the racial make up of the students and the teacher. GWTW could be used as propaganda in very different ways by very different type of people with very different points of view.
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I agree with you. It is folly for anyone to claim they know what did or did not happen between mother and daughter in this case.
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I agree it is silly to try to imagine another actress in a role an actress has already played. All one can do for 'most versatile actress' is to judge each actress on the actual roles they have played.
I'm still sticking with Stanwyck because she had good and often great performances in multiple genres. But I can see Ginger and Judy in the running since they were better singers (especially Judy), and better dancers (especially Ginger), than Stanwyck. But to me they are less versatile than Stanwyck because the majority of their best work was in musicals.
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I agree with your take here. If a teacher is going to show a movie that is based on actual people and events than they do need to point out inaccuracies to the students.
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While Ginger did star in movies other than comedies and song and dance movies I don't think she was great in these (to me Kitty Foyle is overrated). e.g. Stanwyck has stellar (or should I say stella), performances in multiple genres.
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To me there is a difference between plain and wooden. Roman could be wooden but she wasn't plain.
Someone like Margaret Sullavan wasn't wooden but to me she was rather plain looking.
Edited by: jamesjazzguitar on Mar 6, 2012 4:24 PM
Edited by: jamesjazzguitar on Mar 6, 2012 4:25 PM
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To me Stanwyck is the most versatile actress. Dunne could do drama and comedy but she doesn't compare to Stanwyck for other genres like Westerns or Film Noir.
I would also add Dietrich since she could dance, sing, do comedy and drama, but again, she wasn't as versatile as Babs.
Davis was very versatile in her dramas i.e. she did frump, she did historical, she did the party gal, the loyal wife, the not so loyal wife, etc..... but of course Davis didn't do much outside of drama.
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I would hope an average man wouldn't let a women force him to watch a women's picture.
Why fault a women for asking a man to do watch a movie? I fault the man that is too afraid to just say "no thanks".
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I agree Jane Wyman became plain. I say "became" because in some of her early supporting roles she was very good looking (also when she had a more natural and longer hair style. But one she got that helmet head hairdo she looked like a frump.
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*June Allyson* is my pick as plainest women to become a star. Then there is her voice. She stared in some very good movie (e.g. Executive Suite), so I'll watch movies that she is in but I admit I'm not a fan of hers.
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Yea, best song to ever come out of a movie would be impossible for me to do. Would it be a Beatles tune from one of their movies, or a song like The Way You Look Tonight (still played at every wedding I have ever been too), or,,, or ,,, (but I can say it wouldn't be a disco song!).
Edited by: jamesjazzguitar on Mar 2, 2012 8:02 PM
The Strange Love of Ann Dvorak
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In another thread Three on a Match was discussed a lot. What is interesting about the movie is that Ann is the star, than Joan Blondell and than Bette Davis. Of course years latter Bette was the top actress at Warner and one of the top in the industry, and even Joan passed Ann by in terms of fame and getting parts.
That thread explains some of the reasons why. Don't forget Bogie is also in that movie. The movie is a very good movie but it also has a lot of historical interest.