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Everything posted by jamesjazzguitar

  1. Caught is listed as a noir in the book Film Noir. I agree it is borderline noir but since it has a noir icon like Ryan that pushes it over that border I guess!
  2. Related to Horton in Holiday, he also played one of the only sane characters in Arsenic and Old Lace. I love the guy but I can see where a little could go a long way but in most movies he is used to great effect.
  3. As for Depp can you name the movies he has been in where you feel he is a great actor? I felt the guy had potential 10 or so years ago but then he decided to go for the money. I don't blame him for that but really I don't think he cares about acting at all. Really what movies do you feel will be classics in say 20 years that Depp is the lead actor in? Chocolate is a very good movie and he does a good job there but he isn't even the star of that.
  4. Based on what I have seen here at Message Boards over the years I would say Kate Hepburn is the #1 actress that takes a beating. (#1 in that she is one of the most well known and awarded). I was surprised when I discovered this. Now I love many of the movies Kate is in; Mostly those with Cary Grant and pre-1950, but I can understand why Kate would get under someone's skin. Take a movie I love: The African Queen. Now for the first half or so of this movie Kate is a real pain in the rear. Bogie's character doesn't like her. Who would and in many ways that is the persona of Kate. Take the movie she with with Monty and Liz; Suddenly Last Summer. Again, an unlikeable character and full of airs, like Kate. But one is missing some great movies if they let their feelings towards Kate prevent them from seeing these movies. As for an actress that bugs me; I got to agree with many others here; June Allyson Edited by: jamesjazzguitar on Mar 24, 2011 7:49 PM
  5. Well it just goes to show that people have very different taste. I'm not a fan of Harlow and the movie she is in I do enjoy, like Libel Lady, I enjoy more for the other actors; e.g. Powell, Loy etc.. I also like the movies she does with Gable but again more for Gable. This is an area where I would like to see some polling data. Of course that doesn't really mean anything but I do find it interesting as a way of seeing what others like dislike. I do agree that as a man many Davis movies are women pictures; Now Voyger, Dark Victory being the top ones, and at first I felt someone like a sap for even watching them! But Davis just is so good in them I got hooked. To me there is no greater actress.
  6. I agree that Davis was far removed from Harlow but I would say in a good way. In many ways I just don't understand what all the fuss was about Harlow. She does little for me but as I posted in the Harlow thread a lot of that has to do with MGM and the MGM style. I believe Harlow would of been a better fit in the Warner style of grit and hardnose style compared to the MGM everything white and clean (and often fake or dreamlike) type of style. But I also assume Harlow was a hit because she stood out from the MGM style. As we see with Greer Garson years later MGM's style and their use of actresses goes hand and hand. I just wonder what Harlow would of looked like in a Warner's movie. Davis and the Warner style (especialy in Davis's early movies befoure they were 100% Davis vehicles), suited Davis very well. i.e. I don't see Davis in an MGM movies anymore than I see Garson in a Warner one.
  7. I agree the ending is very confusing but here is how I understand it (also based on the book Film Noir). The only thing that prevented her from getting a divorce was the child; that she didn't want her husband to get custody. Thus once she loss the baby there was nothing to stop her from getting a divorce. Also, since she was going to marry a doctor it wasn't like she would have no money at all. Doctors may not be millionairs but they make a good living. As for the coat? Well I assume in a divorce a wife still can keep personal property so she will get that back. That was used just as a device to indicate she was now free. Note that a wife would NOT get much of a settlement if she was having an afair and the rich husband had a lot of evidence on her in this regards.
  8. You are correct as The Films of Bette Davis confirms. It is just that the setting is in England, Howard is British, and the entire look and feel of the movie is British. Thanks for the correction.
  9. Warner truely didn't know how to handle the women actresses he had. The Warner style was way more suited to the male stars (grit verses say the MGM glamour) like Cagney, Edie G, and Bogie. But Warner did catch on with Bette once the money started coming in! I have a few Davis bios and you are correct that she credits Arliss with giving her that role and helping her beef up her acting chops. After Warner understood what he had Bette was given first pick of the roles and as you well know made some of the best actress centered movies in classic film history. I'm a big fan of Olivia De Haviland; Warner never really 'got it' with Olivia and she had to leave to get the type of roles that got her, her 2 oscars.
  10. That is a funny saying on those shirts but one guitar players might say represents Dale himself. Guitar Player magizine had a set on surf music and many musicians had 'issues' with Dale. For example, that one has to use a certain type of amp and guitar to get a true surf music sound and that he invented this and that. I have seen him live a few times and he rocks. No question about that and he was an innovator, but his boasting was over the top. But hey, I get it. Self promotion is part of the 'game'.
  11. Bette Davis didn't get much praise at all from studio stars at the start of her career. It took making a British film, Of Human Bondage, to get Warner as well as the publc to see that here was an actress of major potential. Leslie Howard didn't want an American unknown to play the role with him until he did some test runs with her. They when on to make two of my favorite movies together; The Petrified Forest and It's Love I'm After. Bette is the tops!
  12. Hey, someone that love Holiday Romance as much as I do. Not many people even know that song exist! The song came from a concept album that really works even if some of the tunes are only OK (i.e. the songs were done to tell the story more than to be great songs by themselves, like Ducks on the Wall). Underneath the Neon Sign is also first rate. You have great taste my dear!
  13. I also enjoy the movie Dodsworth very much and don't find it boring at all. But really why be glad there wasn't a remake? I just don't get that. How would a remake impact your joy of the original? Of course it doesn't and thus why I don't understand where this joy would come from.
  14. I find the movie funny and I 'get it'. But I can see why some wouldn't feel it was funny. Oh well, that is what makes discussions on movies interesting.
  15. This topic related to fashion is one I would typically stay out of (fashion not being one of my things), but Pretty Woman is something that I'm aware of; Why? Well I was engaged to a gal back when the movie came out and fashion was big in her life (as in REAL big) and she went to Beverly Hills and Melrose etc... often, but she was a good (I would say repressed) gal from a sexual standpoint (e.g. no sex before marriage). She LOVED this movie and I admit I would make fun of her for that. i.e. why would you like a movie about a hooker? She would say; OH, this is really NOT about a hooker but just a love story. Say what? I guess a change of cloth changed what she did for a living! Anyhow she just loved the fashions but of course wanted ME to pay for them. I told her to complete college (she was a never ending college student), and find a good job (but of course not one like Julie!).
  16. One can say that people are being 'judgemental' but that is natural and I wouldn't define it as a negative thing; People are just calling it as they see it. This is especially true for movie stars; A large part of their appeal is their looks. Now that may be shallow (ok it is), but it is a large part of the appeal for many actors and actresses. This being the case when a star loses that part of their appeal they have to make changes to make up the difference. In many cases this leads to better acting from the star; i.e. they cannot just depend on their nice looking face or body but instead have to act. Thus as a star ages it is only natural for people to compare how they looked when younger to how they look today, especially if 'looks' was a key part of their act in their younger days. Secure stars don't care if they are judge. Davis clearly didn't care. She just wanted to make movies and in some of her later ones (Baby Jane), she looks gross but that was part of the act. If one doesn't wish to be judge by their looks they can be like E.G. Robinson; That guy wasn't very good looking but a great actor and since his looks were never part of his appeal he had a very long and great career.
  17. Ok that definition isn't vague but "Appeals to a majority of people" is NOT how I would define 'classic' but instead popular. Classic has a time element as part of the meaning (which is why some use the term 'instant classic' which to me is bogus, but I rant). Here is what I found on the web and to me a better definition of classic: Belonging to the highest rank or class. Serving as the established model or standard: a classic example of colonial architecture. Having lasting significance or worth; enduring. Adhering or conforming to established standards and principles: a classic piece of research. Of a well-known type; typical: a classic mistake. Of or characteristic of the literature, art, and culture of ancient Greece and Rome; classical. *** Using the definition you provided a song that was released last week that was a 'hit' would be a classic but using the one I found it wouldn't be a classic until it was 'enduring' (of course it is subjective how long something has to be around to be 'enduring' but it wouldn't be a week or a year or even a decade in my view). Anyhow since we both found very different definitions of 'classic' to me that means the meaning of the term is all over the place (i.e. means different things to different people) define 'classic'. This is why some have said TCM should change it's name to something like: TSM - Tunner Studio Era movies. This has meaning to those that understand movie history and I believe how the majority of those at this website define 'classic' as it relates to movies. Yes, give me Gable over 99% of the stars in the last 30 years.
  18. Well the term 'classic' is really a vague one but those of us who have watched TCM for years know that 'classic' really means mostly movies made during the studio system era. To me if TCM has too many movies outside of that era it has changed it identify. So far this is NOT the case in my view and like I said being oscar month I know I can expect to see oscar winning movies that were made after 1970.
  19. To me the key is the "90% are pre-1960". I like this criteria since it is more specific than 'classic' (which is meaningless in my view). It isn't that I don't enjoy post-1960 movies but that often they can be seen on other stations. But sadly those stations have commericals. (take AMC, yes they have some nice movies BUT with so many breaks watching them is a joke). Also I like when a station has an identity; I don't want ESPN to show food cooking shows or the Food Network to show sports. TCM's identity is clearly the studio era movies and I would like to keep it that way, so when I turn to it I have a general idea what I'm going to get. (like last night when I went to chanell 68 (TCM in my town), and got Pretty Woman; I was sure I had the wrong station! So how about two TCMs! One called 'studio era classic' and one call 'modern classics'.
  20. By the time we are in our 40 hopefully we are in management and having the younger ones doing the hard work while we go play golf! With regards to Beyond The Forest, yes this was a role that Bette should of turned down but in was the last one she made for Warners and well what a dump. But it didn't take long for Bette to recover and take on roles that were better suited for her. Other actresses like Garson didn't have 'comebacks' like an All About Eve after their peak period. Edited by: jamesjazzguitar on Feb 12, 2011 1:53 PM
  21. Well I would take Wait Until Dark instead of The Nun's Story but that these are some very fine movies.
  22. I wouldn't define either of these movies as classic but since they won oscars we get them. Oh, well like I said in another thread, having to please all the viewers all the time on what to show or now show is just not possible.
  23. My view on westerns is that there are just way too many of them. Now I like many westerns and of course many are top notch movies, but no period in history is covered more than the American West in US films. Ok, I can understand that a western is very "American" and thus why there are more of them than other periods in US History, but the sheer number of them, duing their hay-day is a little too much.
  24. Well I feel Ruby is just cute and this is why I look past those limitation! Edited by: jamesjazzguitar on Feb 8, 2011 5:58 PM
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