JarrodMcDonald
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I didn't mention George Peppard either...
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Oh yeah...Don Ameche. Hmmmm...
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Good idea. I made a screwball comedy group for the women but not for the men, so that's easy to fix.
In addition to Dana Andrews, Henry Fonda is another one, and he could go in a lot of places, too.
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Okay, that makes more sense, putting Farrell with the B-movie group. She becomes a character actress later on.
I forgot about poor Audrey Hepburn...I knew this wasn't a perfect list...
Maybe I can put Audrey in Mary Astor's place, and put Mary somewhere else (I am still stumped about her, because her career took so many twists and turns, every five years, she reinvented herself.)
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Okay...yes, Andrews is someone I failed to include...and Gina is a good suggestion for the Italian ladies.
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It took a bit longer than I thought it would. The goal is that when friends ask for a movie suggestion, you can say, 'well if you like buxom blondes or you like scream queens in horror films, you might want to check out so-and-so in _________.'
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Yeah, I think you're right about Lawford.
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There isn't really a limit...but I was trying to keep it around three or four for each, so it wasn't so overwhelming.
Do you think Menjou would go with the pre-code group? He sort of becomes a character actor after that.
Lemmon seems like more of a leading man than Matthau, so I'm not sure if they go in the same category.
I forgot to include William Powell...
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Thanks...I think you are correct about that. This is obviously a rough draft. LOL I appreciate the feedback!
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I don't think Mary Astor is placed correctly on this list.
And I think Eleanor Parker should be here somewhere...
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And I just realized that I neglected to include GARY COOPER. He could probably go in the Oscar Favorites group.
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Angela Lansbury and her mother, character actress Moyna Macgill.
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Okay, (and he's a favorite actor of mine)...where do you suggest adding him? Or is there a new category that can be created for him? He's not exactly a Dangerous Man, since his career is not heavily focused on film noir. Again, what do you suggest?
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Again, I tried to come up with a list that highlights some of the great classic film performances. Obviously, it is not all-encompassing. I usually picked three people for each category. I did not re-use anyone, so that I could include as many stars as possible. This only covers 1920 to 1970.
DANCERS: ELEANOR POWELL, LESLIE CARON, CYD CHARISSE
TOUGH DAMES: BETTE DAVIS, JOAN CRAWFORD, BARBARA STANWYCK
EXOTIC WOMEN: GRETA GARBO, MARLENE DIETRICH, ANNA STEN
DANGEROUS WOMEN/FEMME FATALES: JANE GREER, LIZBETH SCOTT, JEAN PETERS
CHILD STARS: SHIRLEY TEMPLE, SYBIL JASON, MARGARET O?BRIEN
DISNEY CHILD STARS: HAYLEY MILLS, KAREN DOTRICE
SCREWBALL COMEDIENNES: JEAN HARLOW, CAROLE LOMBARD, LUCILLE BALL
REAL-LIFE SISTERS: OLIVIA DEHAVILLAND & JOAN FONTAINE; THE LANE SISTERS-- PRISCILLA, LOLA, ROSEMARY; DOROTHY & LILLIAN GISH
OSCAR FAVORITES: KATHARINE HEPBURN, LUISE RAINER, PATRICIA NEAL
B-MOVIE ACTRESSES: GAIL RUSSELL, AUDREY TOTTER
PIN-UP GIRLS: BETTY GRABLE, DOROTHY LAMOUR, RITA HAYWORTH
CLASSIC STARLETS: LAUREN BACALL, GENE TIERNEY, GRACE KELLY
BUXOM BLONDES: MARILYN MONROE, JAYNE MANSFIELD, KIM NOVAK
BRITISH IMPORTS: VIVIEN LEIGH, DEBORAH KERR, JEAN SIMMONS
FRENCH IMPORTS: BRIGITTE BARDOT, CATHERINE DENEUVE, CAPUCINE
ITALIAN IMPORTS: ANNA MARIA ALBERGHETTI, ANNA MAGNANI, SOPHIA LOREN
OTHER NOTABLE IMPORTS: INGRID BERGMAN, MAUREEN O?HARA
GIRL NEXT DOOR: JUNE ALLYSON, DONNA REED, JOAN LESLIE
YOUNG SONGBIRDS: GLORIA JEAN, DEANNA DURBIN, JANE POWELL
MUSICAL STARS: ALICE FAYE, JUDY GARLAND, BETTY HUTTON, DEBBIE REYNOLDS
PRE-CODE WOMEN: NORMA SHEARER, RUTH CHATTERTON, JOAN BLONDELL
BREAKERS OF THE CODE: MAE WEST, HEDY LAMARR, JANE RUSSELL
CHARACTER ACTRESSES: MARIA OUSPENSKAYA, AGNES MOORHEAD, JUDITH ANDERSON
BRITISH CHARACTER ACTRESSES: MAY WHITTY, MOYNA MACGILL, ANGELA LANSBURY
COMIC RELIEF: BILLIE BURKE, HATTIE MCDANIEL, BUTTERFLY MCQUEEN
AFRICAN AMERICANS: LENA HORNE, ETHEL WATERS, DOROTHY DANDRIDGE
LATIN AMERICANS: LUPE VELEZ, DOLORES DEL RIO, CARMEN MIRANDA
METHOD ACTRESSES: JULIE HARRIS, JOANNE WOODWARD, GERALDINE PAGE
INGENUES: LANA TURNER (40S), LIZ TAYLOR (50S), NATALIE WOOD (60S)
SELZNICK PROTEGES: JENNIFER JONES, DOROTHY MCGUIRE, RHONDA FLEMING
WESTERN WOMEN: MARY CASTLE, DALE ROGERS, YVONNE DECARLO
UNUSUAL LEADS: MARIE DRESSLER, MARTHA RAYE, MARJORIE MAIN
SILENT STARS: MARION DAVIES, LOUISE BROOKS, POLA NEGRI
ICONS: MARY PICKFORD, CLARA BOW, VERONICA LAKE
MOST VERSATILE: GINGER ROGERS, ROSALIND RUSSELL, IDA LUPINO
OTHER VERSATILE ACTRESSES: ANN SHERIDAN, DORIS DAY, SHIRLEY MACLAINE
STAGE ACTRESSES ON FILM: TALLULAH BANKHEAD, HELEN HAYES, ETHEL MERMAN
OPERATIC STARS: IRENE DUNNE, JEANNETTE MACDONALD, LILI PONS
ATHLETIC STARS: SONJA HENIE, ESTHER WILLIAMS
HORROR STARS: FAY WRAY, ELSA LANCHESTER, SIMONE SIMON
MORE THAN A PRETTY FACE: LORETTA YOUNG, MYRNA LOY, CLAUDETTE COLBERT
ROMANTIC HEROINES: JANET GAYNOR, KAY FRANCIS, MARY ASTOR
OTHER LEADING LADIES: MIRIAM HOPKINS, JANE WYMAN, JEANNE CRAIN
HONORABLE MENTIONS: CONSTANCE BENNETT, GLENDA FARRELL, LINDA DARNELL
IN A CLASS BY THEMSELVES: ETHEL BARRYMORE, SHELLEY WINTERS, LASSIE
BABIES: BABY PEGGY, BABY LEROY, BABY SANDY
CAREER LONGEVITY: LILLIAN GISH, GLORIA SWANSON, JANE WITHERS
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I tried to come up with a list that highlights some of the great classic film performances. Obviously, it is not all-encompassing. In most cases, I picked three people for each category. I did not re-use anyone in more than one category, so that I could include as many stars as possible. This only covers 1920 to 1970 (basically, the height of the silent era, the advent of the talkies/pre-code and the years of the production code).
DANCERS: FRED ASTAIRE, GENE KELLY, DONALD O?CONNOR
TOUGH GUYS: EDWARD G. ROBINSON, JAMES CAGNEY, HUMPHREY BOGART
SEX SYMBOLS: RAMON NOVARRO, RUDOLPH VALENTINO, ROSANNO BRAZZI
DANGEROUS MEN: RICHARD WIDMARK, ROBERT RYAN, VINCENT PRICE
CHILD STARS: JACKIE COOPER, FREDDIE BARTHOLOMEW, RODDY MCDOWALL
DISNEY CHILD STARS: BOBBY DRISCOLL, TOMMY KIRK, KURT RUSSELL
LATIN AMERICANS: CESAR ROMERO, DESI ARNAZ, FERNANDO LAMAS
COMIC RELIEF: S.Z. ?CUDDLES? SAKALL, EDDIE ?ROCHESTER? ANDERSON, JACK CARSON
SILENT STARS: TOM MIX, FRANCIS X. BUSHMAN, CHARLEY CHASE
WESTERN HEROES: JOHN WAYNE, RANDOLPH SCOTT, JOEL MCCREA
SINGING COWBOYS: GENE AUTREY, TEX RITTER, ROY ROGERS
MOST VERSATILE: DICK POWELL, FRANK SINATRA, RICARDO MONTALBAN
STAGE ACTORS ON FILM: MONTY WOOLLEY, RAYMOND MASSEY, LEE J. COBB
HORROR STARS: LON CHANEY, BELA LUGOSI, BORIS KARLOFF
MUSICAL STARS: BING CROSBY, HOWARD KEEL, ELVIS PRESLEY
CHARACTER ACTORS: EUGENE PALLETTE, GEORGE BARBIER, LOUIS CALHERN
BRITISH CHARACTER ACTORS: CLAUDE RAINS, BASIL RATHBONE, NIGEL BRUCE
CHARACTER ACTORS WITH STAR BILLING: FRANK MORGAN, CHARLES COBURN, WALTER BRENNAN
OTHER CHARACTER ACTORS WITH STAR BILLING: LAIRD CREGAR, PAUL DOGULAS, ERNEST BORGNINE
AFRICAN AMERICANS: PAUL ROBESON, REX INGRAM, SIDNEY POITIER
INTERPRETERS OF SHAKESPEARE: JOHN GIELGUD, LAURENCE OLIVIER, ORSON WELLES
UNUSUAL LEADS: WALLACE BEERY, CHARLES LAUGHTON, CLIFTON WEBB
ADVENTURE STARS: DOUGLAS FAIRBANKS, ERROL FLYNN, TYRONE POWER
COMEDY DUOS: LAUREL & HARDY; WHEELER & WOOLSEY; MARTIN & LEWIS
OSCAR FAVORITES: SPENCER TRACY, FREDRIC MARCH, PAUL MUNI
B-MOVIE ACTORS: JOHNNY WEISSMULLER, DANE CLARK, MACDONALD CAREY
CLOWNS: CHARLIE CHAPLIN, BUSTER KEATON, HAROLD LLOYD
MATINEE IDOLS: MARLON BRANDO, JAMES DEAN, ROCK HUDSON
METHOD ACTORS: JOHN GARFIELD, MONTGOMERY CLIFT, PAUL NEWMAN
COMEDIANS ON FILM & TELEVISION: JACK BENNY, MILTON BERLE, DON KNOTTS
BIG BAND STARS: RUDY VALLEE, GENE KRUPA, GLENN MILLER
BOY NEXT DOOR: FRED MACMURRAY, ROBERT CUMMINGS, ROBERT WALKER
PRE-CODE MEN: GEORGE RAFT, CONRAD NAGEL, ROD LAROCQUE
PIN-UP BOYS: LARRY ?BUSTER? CRABBE, STERLING HAYDEN, TAB HUNTER
PRETTY BOYS: ANTHONY PERKINS, GEORGE HAMILTON, WARREN BEATTY
MORE THAN A PRETTY FACE: ROBERT TAYLOR, BURT LANCASTER, KIRK DOUGLAS
BRITISH IMPORTS: RONALD COLMAN, LESLIE HOWARD, ROBERT DONAT
FRENCH IMPORTS: MAURICE CHEVALIER, CHARLES BOYER, LOUIS JOURDAN
OTHER NOTABLE IMPORTS: RAY MILLAND, RICHARD BURTON, MARCELLO MASTROIANNI
REAL-LIFE BROTHERS: THE MARX BROTHERS, THE STOOGES; THE RITZ BROTHERS
ICONS: CARY GRANT, RONALD REAGAN
OPERATIC STARS: NELSON EDDY, ALLAN JONES, MARIO LANZA
CLASSIC LEADING MEN: CLARK GABLE, GREGORY PECK, WILLIAM HOLDEN
OTHER LEADING MEN: GEORGE BRENT, BRIAN AHERNE, JOSEPH COTTEN
HONORABLE MENTIONS: GLENN FORD, VAN JOHNSON, DENNIS MORGAN
IN A CLASS BY THEMSELVES: JOHN BARRYMORE, LIONEL BARRYMORE, W.C. FIELDS
ANIMALS: RIN TIN TIN, FRANCIS THE TALKING MULE, FLIPPER
CAREER LONGEVITY: GEORGE BURNS, BOB HOPE, MICKEY ROONEY
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Yeah, the PSYCHO remake did not work for me, either. I think the casting of Vince Vaughn was wrong. Julianne Moore in the Vera Miles role was good, however. Anne Heche? Still undecided about that! LOL And ironically, the same script was used with very few changes...it was mostly the same film, shot for shot, just with new actors and enhanced production values. But maybe the biggest problem is that it wasn't Hitchcock, and we knew it. It had lost some of its magic.
Edited by: JarrodMcDonald on Feb 23, 2010 12:32 PM
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Yes, I think DiCaprio will be seen as one of the leading actors of his generation, whether or not you agree with it.
James Cameron's volume of work will probably withstand the test of time...the auteur theory will be applied to him, to Clint Eastwood, to Steven Spielberg, to Gus Van Zandt, to Steven Soderbergh, to Spike Lee, and to a few select others, and they will be regarded as among the filmmaking elite of the late 20th/early 21st century. Their reputations are pretty much sewn up. It's just a matter of how many more classic films they add to their respective canons.
Edited by: JarrodMcDonald on Feb 23, 2010 12:20 PM
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Well, not every film was great...there were clunkers..and some ideas may've been great on paper, but due to casting errors or a change in directors, the material may not have been properly realized. That is the benefit of remakes in my opinion...just like with PINKY, I believe that if it were redone today, given our current state of political correctness, it could be even better than the original. Some films could definitely be improved upon...and then there are some elephants in the room.
When Gus Van Zandt remade PSYCHO, I think people were offended (at least those in the Hitchcock camp)...he was touching the Holy Grail and that's a no-no. LOL
If someone had the ball-s to try and remake CITIZEN KANE, that would face all sorts of scrutiny, even if it were someone like James Cameron doing it. There are certain classic films that have an unspoken wall of protection around them, and to blaspheme them, is strictly verboten. LOL
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I have had some time to think about INDISCRETION OF AN AMERICAN WIFE. Maybe there is something truly great about it that I just don't see. I am going to make the effort of watching it again tomorrow night, and I will try to be unbiased. Then, my instincts about it as a so-called classic will either be verified or changed. LOL
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Obviously, viewers' tastes change from generation to generation. If you asked movie goers back in 1939 what their favorite movie was, well, you know they'd all enthusiastically say GWTW. You would be lucky to find one or two dissenters in the crowd.
But it does give food for thought...maybe films we consider classics of our time will not hold up well in fifty years from now. For instance, maybe future audiences will find 1997's TITANIC laughable.
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How could we overlook the Gish sisters and the Wynns. Thanks for adding them. In the original post, the Bros Howard referred to the actors known as the Stooges. But now you have helped clarify that. Thanks!
I would also add:
Michael Landon and his daughters, actresses Leslie Landon and Jennifer Landon
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The Cassidys: Jack, David, Shaun
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Thanks...Loretta Young had three sisters in show biz...Georgiana was Mrs. Ricardo Montalban, and they were married for many years.
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Maybe a better way to structure this thread would be 'If I could improve one thing about a classic movie, it would be...' Then, thoughts are more focused on the positive, instead of the negative. Or maybe you could write it like 'If I were to remake a certain film, it would be __________, because...'
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Sounds like an option. LOL And both films do have Bette Davis in sisterly conflicts/relationships.
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Alexis Smith is another one to add...somewhere...LOL