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Well, this is a new theme for TCM. Mondays in June they will be showing the Hollywood Hair Hall of Fame.
http://www.tcm.com/this-month/article/1490820|0/Hollywood-Hair-Hall-of-Fame-Mondays-in-June.html
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On 5/31/2019 at 5:47 AM, Bogie56 said:
Saturday, June 1
10 a.m. Popeye: Proteck the Weakerist (1937).
10:45 p.m. Violent Playground (1958). Good cast in this Rank film from the UK. Stanley Baker, Anne Heywood, David McCallum and Peter Cushing.
4 a.m. Three (1969). With Charlotte Rampling!
And Sam Waterston, later Deputy DA or New York in Law and Order.
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11 hours ago, Princess of Tap said:
I've always been a big fan of Johnny Cash having followed his entire career.
I truly enjoyed his variety TV show that he performed with his wife June Carter.
I've never seen any of the made-for-tv movies but I would imagine that most of that stuff is on DVD someplace.
Probably I would look at Oldies.com first. They have a lot of old TV shows. I have bought a few myself.
I had some of his Yellow Sun Records, long after Elvis Presley had gone over to RCA Victor.
As singers and personalities, they are so very different --that apart from their association with Yellow Sun I don't know if I would compare the two. And you'll find that in their movies they're like apples and oranges as well.
Really two great artists in very different venues.
About several years ago there was a made for cable TV movie series about the history of Yellow Sun Records. I think that would be your best bet with finding out something about the origins of both artists at the same time.
Why do you call it Yellow Sun Records. The labels were yellow, but the records were black vinyl. I have a very old Johnny Cash record from them and it clearly is from Sun Records. Title is Johnny Cash and the Tennessee Two: Story Songs of the Trains and Rivers. Probably purchased it around 1970. The picture is from e-bay. It came with a guaranteed replacement if it wore out. It did and I wrote to Sun several years later and they sent me a new one.
I'm not sure either of them was actually a very good actor. But they did have a presence and offered acceptable performances. I don't think I have actually seen a Cash movie, but would like to. Murder in Coweta County with Cash and Andy Griffin does show up on DVD titles, but not sure I wish to purchase it.
Alan Lane was the voice of Mr. Ed, not Johnny Cash. Lane wanted billing, but producers refused.
The Sun link below does have narratives on Cash and others.
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4 hours ago, fxreyman said:
As is often the case with every thread on these boards. A topic is started and somewhere within the thread, the main focus of the thread is hijacked and some other topic somewhat related to the original topic is started. We are all guilty of doing that. As far as tcmsteven is concerned, he has every right to write what he believes he is seeing on the channel. I do not believe it is a conservative or liberal POV. Who knows what politics is being deployed here. Again, you are the one who brought this up. Not tcmsteven.
Maybe tcmsteven should start a thread re: his complaint.
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1 minute ago, tcmsteven said:
So..because you "can't fathom it" it certainly is insanity, right?
I will tell you why. First off...Memorial Day is incredibly important...to ME...at least. And the weekend marathon took all my attention for 3+ straight days. Like a retreat. I would have it on pretty much the whole weekend....like Christmas music in the background...or sometime my utmost rapt attention. Not spread out over two months that can be hit or miss..... But bam bam in a row like unrelenting AA fire.
I get it..some people aren't war movie buffs. Seen it...same old same old. Me? I oculd watch them a million times...and remember and help celebrate the sacrifice that is Memorial Day. I always relied on TCM to bring it, to put me through the ringer like a battle siege. Like I said, I don't see anything wrong with lamenting it's passing. It meant a lot to me.
This thread is about the lack of Vietnam War related movies on TCM during Memorial Day presentations.
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On 5/29/2019 at 12:54 AM, sewhite2000 said:
I've started Exodus, I think, three different times and never finished it. So I don't know if it truly counts as a movie I've "seen". I've always bailed out or fallen asleep a little past the two-hour mark. So, maybe I've seen 130 or 135 of its 208 minutes.
If I do watch some of these movies that are too long or slow, I get great advantage out of the fast forward button. Otherwise, I wouldn't even start them. Might add I saw Exodus three times when it came out and read the book. If you think the movie was long, don't read the book.
On 5/29/2019 at 8:57 AM, Brrrcold said:I agree with this. It's an interesting plot but not an epic plot - and I think in that period of epic filmmaking the studios, producers, and directors had difficulty calibrating the distinction. THE LONGEST DAY (1962), the main example that started this thread, surely is an epic plot - and I like it for that reason. I can endure the length because I grasp the scope of the story. THE MAN IN THE GRAY FLANNEL SUIT is mainly an interior drama, about a man and his reaction to the world and its conventions. Interesting, but not epic.
But the details of the production matter too. I recently watched IN HARM'S WAY (1965), which is a more conventional 165 minutes, and loaded with interesting plot points, lots of stars, etc. It may have seemed to be an epic plot - but it's not. It's another interior drama in a setting that may be seen as having epic potential. For comparison - FROM HERE TO ETERNITY, 1953. Similar in setting, substance, tone, etc - and much more compelling at 118 minutes.
I like The Longest Day, but have not watched it in years because it is so long. I think the one thing that saves it is the way it changes from one character's story to another to another and so on.
Eternity is much better than In Harm's Way because it has better actors (except for Sinatra) for one thing. Also has better screen writing. I think Harm's Way just bounces around and the character's are not really developed. Nor is the plot. Incidentally I don't really like Eternity, but it is a better movie.
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I actually purchased the Harper DVD several years ago. Haven't watched it in a long time.
I have seen both and The Drowning Pool is probably better for the reasons stated above. But not enough for me to record it and watch it again. I think Harper was better written and flowed better than Pool.
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57 minutes ago, Terrence1 said:
I also agree that the fun part of the show was the guest stars from old Hollywood. It was always such a pleasure to see them again. One of my favorites episodes was where Ruth Roman played Loretta, owner of the beauty salon, and her customers (Kathryn Grayson, Gloria DeHaven, and Julie Adams). I didn't care for the series when she left Cabot Cove to teach in New York. To me, it was never the same after that.
Hadn't they murdered almost everyone in Cabot Cove by then anyway.
I watched a few episodes early on, but never really liked the show.
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7 hours ago, cigarjoe said:
Nice poster, but I had difficulty reading the movie titles and actor's names for most. So it is hard to comment on the femme fatale characterizations.
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4 hours ago, TopBilled said:
A Variety review for THE FORTUNE COOKIE (1966) says it's "generally amusing (often wildly so), but overlong." The Billy Wilder picture is 125 minutes. But I agree, it does drag on in spots...and probably could have been told in 100 minutes.
Some movies are meant to take a lot of time to play out on screen, in order to convey epic greatness. But I feel the appropriately titled THE LONGEST DAY is way too long.
What movies do you feel this way about?
2 hours ago, filmnoirguy said:I watched 1958's The Young Lions on TCM on Memorial Day. All 164 minutes. I've never cared much for this movie, but Leonard Maltin gives it such a grand review, I thought maybe another look would change my mind. It didn't. I suppose screenwriter Edward Anhalt wanted to stay fairly faithful to Irwin Shaw's novel, but I think he should have taken some creative liberties. The first hour really drags and, in my opinion, could have been cut by a good 15 minutes. The last half of the film, during the battle scenes, is very entertaining, but then it ends too abruptly. Brando, as the confused Nazi officer, is at his best, Clift (this was after his horrible car accident) as the U.S. soldier is compelling, but I've always had a problem with Dean Martin in dramatic roles. I kept expecting Jerry Lewis to pop up with a comedy routine. Martin was type-cast as a singer who was drafted before he was to open in a Broadway musical. He doesn't seem to have much to do, other than woo Barbara Rush, until the end of the movie. Then his actions left me scratching my head. The final scene with Clift and Hope Lange seems to have been tacked on as an after thought for a happy ending.
I started to watch The Young Lions as I had not seen it in many years as I recalled. After watching about 15 minutes of it, I remembered why. It is way, way, way too long.
One of the things I like about a lot of the movies from late 30's through mid-50's is that they were about 60-80 minutes long. On the other hand, I think any movie over 120 minutes is probably too long. My wife and I saw A Bridge Too Far at the theater. Afterwards, she has always referred to it as A Movie Too Long. And it is.
Length is one reason why I have DVD's of many of the "epics" and really enjoyed them, but not more than one or two times. Now when I look for something to watch and I run my eyes over them, I think - Nah, too long. I think one reason is that once you have seen it once or twice or maybe three times, you pretty well know what is going to happen but the scenes, build ups, narratives, etc. just stretch out for too long.
I also have similar thoughts about books. I seldom purchase books over about 350 pages anymore. Especially novels. If the author can't present it in about 350 pages, they aren't good writers.
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11 hours ago, speedracer5 said:
Re: the location of the office scenes. I agree that it’s confusing in the beginning. Bogart asks Scott where Martinelli lives and then asks her to drive him there. But when Bogart arrives to look through Martinelli’s safe and other belongings, Bogart’s narration says something to the effect of returning to the scene where he and Scott were drugged. Maybe they went to Martinelli’s house to see if he was home? Figuring that if he’s at home, he won’t be at the club? It seems like a bit of a leap to make the audience figure out, but I dunno. Maybe a scene or two of Bogart and Scott at Martinelli’s home was cut, but they overlooked Bogart’s dialogue asking Scott about Martinelli’s home?
If I recall, I think he was enroute with Dusty's car to plant the body at Martinelli's house. Somehow that either did not happen or else it happened "off screen" and then Bogart was back at Martinelli's office. If I recall Bogart had asked where Martinelli lived with the intention of placing the bartender's body there and then telling the police where it was located. Naturally he would need to be long gone from the house if that were to happen.
Then again, trying to recall here, planting the body at Martinell's house and calling the police was what Bogart needed to get Martinelli out of his office at the club so he could crack the safe.
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4 hours ago, misswonderly3 said:
So, getting back to Dead Reckoning - can anyone answer my question about that office of Martinelli's, and why sometimes it seems like it's in his nightclub (like in "Gilda" and many other noirs with bad nightclub/casino owners), and other times the exact same office appears to be in Martinelli's home?
Like, in the penultimate scene where Rip and Martinelli rush down the stairs and Martinelli bursts out the door and is shot: it doesn't look even remotely like the nightclub setting - except for that office ! Didn't anyone else notice this? Or does it simply not matter? (maybe that's the answer right there.)
I always thought, and still do, that it was in the nightclub. For one thing, it is upstairs in the final scenes. Also, the waiter and Krause had too easy access for it to be out at the beach house. It may be a matter of different parts of different sets which really don't fit with the proper locations. It does seem that they go directly in from the club in the early scenes, but I still think it was always supposed to be in the back of the club.
As for Scott, I enjoy her in just about anything I have seen her in. I think she was very good here.
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17 hours ago, tcmsteven said:
I do not call it a "reprieve" but a travesty. What...we let it slip from history because...well we do it the same thing every year? We are already forgetting....all we've lost and sacrificed. All it took to storm the beaches. Hardly "cheap and easy"...but a true tribute. NOBODY....did it like TCM. We could always count on them to honor our fallen heroes and have a true days-long memorial. And this year running nothing? I suppose we should give up Christmas and Halloween....because well awe do the same sheet every year...boring.
No...I say this is unacceptable.
They have just narrowed it down to one day and then the other days later in tribute to 75th anniversary of D Day. Four days was too much to begin with, especially since most of them were WW II movies.
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15 hours ago, Vautrin said:
Whichever actor played Philip Marlowe had to be used to being knocked out, either by a
a tough with a blackjack or by a shady doctor whose medical license had been suspended,
with some form of blackout narcotic. The latter was usually a more interesting character.
And Gulf City sounds like Bay City, a gritty coastal town with cops who aren't always honest.
And one of the characters is even named Chandler. Hmmm. An okay noir, though the plot
is kind of confusing, especially with there being two murders to think over. Rip Murdock is
okay, but I prefer his kid brother Buz, a cool cat who got his kicks on Route 66.
I think there actually is a Bay City in CA, but not sure. I know that it was used several times as a non-LA location in The Rockford Files.
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10 hours ago, Bogie56 said:
Monday, May 27
11 a.m. The Young Lions (1958). With Marlon Brando, Montgomery Clift, Dean Martin and Maximilian Schell. I didn’t really like this much when I saw it as a teen but it is pretty well regarded so I should give it another shot.
I'm in same situation. Since I don't remember, I'll give it another shot.
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3 minutes ago, TomJH said:
I love the iconic imagery. Bogart in his romantic tough guy prime with the lights of a city shining below.
I liked that shot as well, but to me it didn't look like St. Petersburg (Gulf City) Florida.
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2 minutes ago, TomJH said:
Well, I knew that, Cid. It was an attempt at humour on my part. I guess it kinda failed with you.
Sorry if I didn't recognize the humor. Airborne does not use Geronimo anymore. When I was doing it we counted to six by thousands. If your chute had not opened by then, time to pull the reserve. Supposedly Geronimo was supposed to be the same time test.
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I planned to just watch Eddie Muller's intro and outro since I have the movie on DVD,but got sucked into watching it again. I prefer it to many of Bogart's movies and Lizabeth Scott may be one reason. Also identify with the Army Airborne part.
SPOILER BELOW
Liked that Eddie pointed out that much of it was filmed in St. Petersburg FL. Because of all the daytime outdoor scenes and the well lit hotel and nightclub scenes, it is not as dark as many Noirs. That didn't hurt it a bit. Other than her singing, Scott gave a very good performance. The first time I saw it, I did not know which side of the line she was on until the very end. Due to good acting, writing and directing.
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5 hours ago, TomJH said:
As Bogie memorably says to Liz at the end, "Cochise, Mike."
Or something like that.
Actually he said Geronimo which is what paratroopers said as the exited the plane.
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3 hours ago, Sepiatone said:
Beyond PLATOON, CASUALTIES OF WAR, THE GREEN BERETS, HAMBURGER HILL and APOCALYPSE NOW, which might have some of those "rights" issues attached to them, there aren't that many 'Nam offerings to attain, are there?
Sepiatone
I think there are well over 50 total movies, maybe far more than that. I doubt there are that many rights issues for many of them.
Here's one list of over 70, but some are TV movies or series. One of my favorites is Go Tell the Spartans (1978) with Burt Lancaster. I find The Green Berets silly.
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15 hours ago, mr6666 said:
Noir AlleyVerified account @NoirAlley May 21
Lizabeth Scott and Humphrey Bogart star in John Cromwell's DEAD RECKONING ('47),
this week on
#NoirAlley hosted by@EddieMuller
I like this movie more than many of Bogart's. I think he and Scott do a great job in it. Marvin Miller plays Krause and is probably better known for his role in TV's The Millionaire.
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17 minutes ago, Fedya said:
May 30, of course.
And all the movies should be US Civil War movies.
That would be Decoration Day. It did not become Memorial Day until after WW II, although some places and groups did use the term Memorial Day instead of Decoration Day before then. It did not officially become Memorial Day until 1967.
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4 hours ago, hamradio said:
Newsmax has aired "The Ghosts of My Lai," several times.
https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/vietnam-war-army-my-lai-us/2015/05/27/id/647016/
I just checked both of these sites. They are either outright wrong or misleading at the least. There have been a tremendous number of movies about Vietnam War. I think it was maybe 65 last time I checked and that was a couple of years ago.
As for lack of documentaries, no they has not been as many as have been done on WW II. But then again there have been dozens and probably more of which I am not aware. I have seen them in lots of DVD catalogs and on websites.
As for My Lai, that was a terrible incident and there should have far more punishments rendered. But that was only one aspect of the war. One aspect of Vietnam and later wars is the lack of censorship of the media, reporters, writers, mail, etc. During Korea and WW II, mail was censored and the media essentially worked for the military or they were sent home.
Vietnam War was on TV news every night. First war ever so covered.
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4 hours ago, hamradio said:
This discussion on another forum may shed some light about the lack of Vietnam programming interest.
Newsmax has aired "The Ghosts of My Lai," several times.
https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/vietnam-war-army-my-lai-us/2015/05/27/id/647016/
In short, the TCM programmers knows there will be less viewers watching anything about that most hated war.
While the WW II movies may be more popular since they seldom dealt with controversial subjects and almost always portrayed American soldiers in a positive light, there would still be many people who would view Vietnam War movies.
If fewer viewers were a criteria, TCM would have to cancel about 50% of its programming. TCM is here to expand viewers exposure to movies or at least offer them the opportunity.
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Johnny Cash
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I like a lot of Cash songs, but my most favorite are The City of New Orleans (far, far better than Woodie Guthrie), The Orange Blossom Special, Mobile Bay (cannot find on CD), The L&N Don't Stop Here Anymore (also hard to find), Sunday Morning Coming Down and Ballad of Ira Hayes.