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Missed it. Didn't see the post until the 29th.
On 11/27/2018 at 8:19 AM, TopBilled said:
File it under "so bad it's good" and "something to record" because it's scheduled for 4:15 a.m. on the 28th (technically the 29th) of November. You have to see it to believe it.
It's what I call a career wrecker. When you make something this bad your movie career can only do one thing-- go into sharp decline. And what a shame too, because I think the original idea was workable, and she has a great supporting cast.
http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/title/17125/The-Fuzzy-Pink-Nightgown/articles.html
Missed it. Did not see the post until the 29th.
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On 10/26/2018 at 7:04 PM, darkblue said:
They were given a special Oscar, weren't they?
Only in Texas.
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8 hours ago, Looney said:
Okay so this is off topic, but so annoying. Last night I was watching THE SEVEN-UPS (1973) on Sling TV TCM ON DEMAND. I had to stop for about forty minutes to do something else and when I came back the movie was gone. No joke. It was suddenly no longer available to watch. WOW is that annoying!!!!!
And I am currently watching HOTEL ARTEMIS (2018). It is pretty good after an hour in.
This also happens with Spectrum On Demand movies. Not sure whether it is the "provider," such as Showtime, or Spectrum that cuts it off. Spectrum does note when offerings will end. So, I guess we are warned. But it is frustrating to have it happen while you have one "paused."
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45 minutes ago, Vautrin said:
I don't see a gay subtext, just a bestiality one. Flippen is into man horse love. That's why he
shows up at the track drunk. He had just been rejected by Red Lightning and that had to
hurt. Another minor point that I pondered over. Would a racetrack really have 2 million on a
single day in 1956? Sounds a little far-fetched, but I don't know anything about the economics
of horse racing. YT has The Killing, though in a mediocre print. The guy who shoots Carey looks
like another guy and not the black dude, though the black guy did throw the horseshoe on the
ground that might have impeded Carey's getaway.
Not sure, but I think I saw a movie that indicated the state gaming laws required that the tracks had to have enough money to pay off lots of winners. Then add that to what was bet and it probably adds up. Or maybe that was about Nevada casinos?
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13 hours ago, misswonderly3 said:
Are you sure? Because I'm pretty sure that it is the black guy who shoots him. There is another guard, or attendant, or whatever that particular position was called, on the scene as Carey tries to pull away, but I thought I saw the black guard, the one Carey had been speaking with, shoot him. I was watching the guy a lot after "Nick" snapped his horrible racist insult at him, just to see what, if anything, he might do next.
Would have to watch it again. But, if memory serves, the black guy did not have on a gun belt or a hat, just a tan uniform. The shooter had on a gun belt and I believe a police type hat.
13 hours ago, misswonderly3 said:Yes, I remember the old guy saying he thought of Johnny as a son. Maybe you're right. But I also did pick up on a gay vibe. The Flippen character says something like, "marriage, it's no good" (which of course doesn't necessarily mean he's gay...). Just the way he so touchingly asks Johnny to go away with him after the heist, "just the two of us", felt to me like he had feelings that were more than fatherly towards Johnny.
But it's certainly open to interpretation, and I could be wrong...
By the way, Cid, I hope it doesn't seem like I'm "stalking" you or picking on you, taking 3 of your comments and quoting them and disagreeing with them all ! I like your contributions here - - and at least you know I pay attention to what you post.
Not at all. That's why I come to this site. The interesting thing about movies is that we can all see the same thing and come to different conclusions as to what it means.
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12 hours ago, misswonderly3 said:
Mm, not good enough. I'm not convinced by this explanation. I'm more inclined to agree with Vautrin,
Yeah, Marie Windsor's "Sherry" seems too smart and too hard to be marrying someone as milquetoast as Elisha Cook's character. Someone like that would want something more than a vague promise that "someday they'd be rich". It's all a little unconvincing, but works for the story. And boy, is that Sherry a harpy! As nasty as they come.
14 hours ago, Vautrin said:Granted that he made all those promises, but Marie's character seems too smart to believe that a
loser like Cook could ever get close to making them come true. Maybe she was just satisfied for
Elisha to be out of the house working so she could sit on her behind or go out on a date with
Vince.
12 hours ago, misswonderly3 said:Mm, not good enough. I'm not convinced by this explanation. I'm more inclined to agree with Vautrin,
Yeah, Marie Windsor's "Sherry" seems too smart and too hard to be marrying someone as milquetoast as Elisha Cook's character. Someone like that would want something more than a vague promise that "someday they'd be rich". It's all a little unconvincing, but works for the story. And boy, is that Sherry a harpy! As nasty as they come.
Could debate this forever, but I don't see it as all that unbelievable. Windsor character was looking for a meal ticket and probably in her environment a man she could easily dominate and who had a steady income probably looked good when she married him. As Vautrin pointed out, she did nothing and had plenty of time to mess around with other guys with no questions from Cook. As Vince Edwards pointed out, Cook never asked her where she had been when she went to the 2:00 PM movie and didn't get home until very late at night.
And considering she was not very bright herself, she could well have believed Cook was going to get rich or at least much better off. After all, she believed Vince Edwards.
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The Cook-Windsor marriage doesn't make sense except as she points out it was for money. There was that scene where she told him he promised a different car to drive every day, living in a fancy apartment on Park Ave., etc. True they were only promises, but considering where the Windsor character came from that was probably as good as she was going to get.
I think it was interesting that Muller did not comment on Vince Edwards (AKA Ben Casey). To me appeared clear that he really didn't care much for Windsor in reality and would probably have dumped her soon after getting his hands on the money. Guess she was supposed to be blind to this.
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7 minutes ago, misswonderly3 said:
More on The Killing:
(By the way, why did she marry Elisha's character, anyway?
Timothy Carey: oh, what a weirdo. I love the way this guy specializes in making strange squinty faces and slurry speech. The moments between him and the parking lot guard are painful; when Nick reveals his true nature, snarling racist insults at the guy, it's shocking. Here you think, "great, it's 1956 and a black guy's interacting in a position of authority with a white guy. There even seems to be some mutual respect." But then of course, Nick ruins it all with his poisonous snarl. You can't feel sorry when he gets it from the guard.
Oh, The Killing is so good, I could go on. But I'll just make one more observation: there's a touching scene, just before the heist, where the old guy who's one of the gang and an old friend of Johnny's, suggests maybe they could go away together afterwards, just the two of them, and you realize he has feelings for Johnny. There aren't many gay characters in noirs (although more than you might think), so it's interesting to see this sad little scene.
1. He promised to become really rich, as she notes in an early scene.
2. The black guy was an attendant, not really a guard. To be clear to others reading your post, Carey was shot by an armed guard, not the black attendant.
3.I picked up on Jay C. Flippen asking Hayden to go away, just the two of them. But didn't see it as a gay reference. Just an old man with no one who wanted a son.
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10 minutes ago, misswonderly3 said:
I agree with Looney about The Killing - it's very good. This was about the fourth time I'd seen it, and it never gets tired.
When you watch a heist movie, you notice it's always the little things, the things that even the smartest heist -master couldn't have foreseen, that mess it all up. "The best- laid plans....go aft awry."
Yeah, it's the little details that you can't predict that usually ruin a heist.
Yeah, reminds me of Body Heat when
12 minutes ago, misswonderly3 said:I agree with Looney about The Killing - it's very good. This was about the fourth time I'd seen it, and it never gets tired.
When you watch a heist movie, you notice it's always the little things, the things that even the smartest heist -master couldn't have foreseen, that mess it all up. "The best- laid plans....go aft awry."
Yeah, it's the little details that you can't predict that usually ruin a heist.
Yeah, reminds of Micky Rourk in Body Heat when he tells William Hurt something to the effect there are a hundred ways to "f... up" a crime. A genius can figure out 50 of them "and you ain't no genius." Of course, it the crimes didn't get screwed up, the movies would not be nearly as interesting.
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56 minutes ago, Looney said:
So been out of the loop for a couple of weeks, but I wasn't about to miss, THE KILLING (1956).
Such a great and interesting movie. Only complaint I have would be the shootout. I know it is supposed to be chaotic and I am fine with that, but it seems to be cut just a hair too quickly to be believed.
Moving on to what I love - ALL HAIL MARIE WINDSOR!!!!!
But seriously, I don't know if I can think of another movie where a supporting player so completely steals the show with their performance. We've seen this character type a many times, but no other actor will ever do it better. She is amazing. Her scenes with Cook might be the best scenes of HIS career.
She really brought the movie to a different level. In other words, I thought she was really good. So Muller talked about the narration. Where do people stand on this?
Personally I think there are actually certain scenes that needed it. I can't believe I am going to say I agree with Studio Executives, but there are certain times I know audiences in the 50's would have been lost. As an example, when Nikki leaves the farm. I can see audiences getting confused by who is supposed to be where when. I tried to imagine it without the narration. I could see it working today just fine, but not so much in 1956.
Does anyone know of a DVD or Blu-Ray release that has a version without the narration?
Marie Windsor was definitely the female lead, as even Colleen Gray admitted. BTW, I think Gray was much better in Kansas City Story, but that was also a "good girl" role.
As for Marie Windsor, she nailed and always did. She should have received an oscar or at least a nomination for Best Supporting Actress. Found it interesting that Kubrick held up production so she could finish Swamp Women. Have that on a multi-movie DVD "mystery" movie set. She stars in it as the leader of a group of women prisoners on the run. Touch Connors is the male lead. Beverly Garland is also in it.
I think the narration really was necessary to the movie. I could see how a movie audience would have been confused. Even though I had seen it before, the backtracking would have confused me this time without the narration. Not even sure it would work today considering how many characters and how much moving back and forth. Example: the TV series Motive uses a similar format and even though I watch closely I still get disoriented at times. Here again have seen episodes several times.
As for the shootout, agree it took place to quickly. Also a little hard to believe that many guys killed with so few poorly aimed shots.
As usual Muller's commentaries really make it worth watching Noir Alley.
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1 hour ago, TopBilled said:
Good question. If I remember correctly I had put it in another forum, maybe somewhere in TCM Programs, but that wasn't the right place for it so it was moved to Off-Topics.
Upon reflection I think it should really go into the Information Please forum, because people come on to that section of the board to get information about movies they've seen on TCM.
Maybe I should send a private message to the moderator and ask if they can move this thread there. What do you think?
It does seem strange having it in Off-Topics. I always feel like this thread is a commercial for TCM in between the political debates!
It should be moved as it doesn't really fit here. Gives the impression it may be about something other than discussing movies. As for where, I seldom go to forums other than General Discussion or Off Topics. There is athread on GD about movies: yesterday, today, tomorrow or something to that effect. Of course that is more for discussion, whereas yours is a listing.
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6 hours ago, TopBilled said:
November 25, 2018:
6:00 a.m. The Prizefighter and the Lady (1933)
8:00 a.m. Swing Time (1936)
10:00 a.m. The Killing (1956)
11:45 a.m. Of Human Bondage (1934)
1:15 p.m. His Girl Friday (1940)
3:00 p.m. Some Like It Hot (1959)
5:15 p.m. Doctor Dolittle (1967)
MARK SANDRICH
8:00 p.m. Shall We Dance (1937)
10:00 p.m. Holiday Inn (1942)
12:00 a.m. The Wizard of Oz (1925)
1:30 a.m. The Magician (1926)
3:00 a.m. The Last Metro (1980)
Always wondered why this is in Off Topics instead of General Discussions.
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4 hours ago, ClassicMovies_fan_chick said:
Truly one of the WORST films ever that really doesn't deserve to be called a cult classic:
https://media2.fdncms.com/charleston/imager/u/magnum/15724331/myqkddo.jpg
P.S. The fact that they're trading cards for them is just pointless.
It would help if you would include the actual movie titles in your posts. I have no idea which movies you are pointing out.
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4 minutes ago, Arteesto said:
A rare glimpse of compassion shown to Ray Collins; I suspect we won't see the likes of this again:
From Wikipedia:
"In October 1963, Collins filmed his last Perry Mason episode, "The Case of the Capering Camera", broadcast January 16, 1964.[2] Although clearly Collins would not return to work on the series, his name appeared in the opening title sequence through the eighth season, which ended in May 1965. Executive producer Gail Patrick Jackson was aware that Collins watched the show every week and did not wish to discourage him.[27]"
And this from " DirectExpose' "
Ray Collins, who played antagonist Lt. Tragg of the homicide squad appeared in only a few episodes after the 1960 season of Perry Mason. Due to illness, it became increasingly difficult for him to memorize his lines, which led to his dismal amid the seventh season. After Collins departed from the show, it was decided to keep his name on the credits. That decision was made in part to help keep his spirits up, but also to allow him to continue receiving medical benefits from the actors’ union. Sadly, Collins passed away in 1965.
Collins is another of those actors who played their characters very well. Didn't know why he was kept in the credits, but always thought there was a good reason. This one is.
Thought it was interesting that it was obvious that he was probably the oldest homicide detective in America at the time. He would have been about 67 when the series premiered in 1957.
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9 hours ago, Bogie56 said:
Saturday, November 24
12:45 a.m. The Killing (1956). Great Stanley Kubrick heist film with Sterling Hayden. If you miss it, it is on again on Sunday at 10 a.m.
I assume The Killing is the Noir Alley feature for this week. See Noir Alley thread.
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13 hours ago, jamesjazzguitar said:
I became addicted about 10 - 12 years ago when they were on T.V. at 10 PM (if I recall correctly), and I believe I have seen most of the B&W series. They are now on ME-TV at 11:30 PST, which is a little late for me to watch a one hour program, but if I haven't seen one OR there is one I really liked (e.g. Martha Vickers from The Big Sleep was in one last week), I'll stay up.
I enjoy the show a lot but sometimes the endings are just a little to 'out-there' with Mason always being able to get the guilty one to admit they did the deed.
MeTV also shows it in the mornings. 9 AM ET if I am not mistaken.
Supposedly the series kind of plateaued out in the last few years, but then picked up in last two. Interestingly they had one episode in color just to see how it went over. It didn't, so back to B&W.
Guess it was the 53 (?) minute time frame that caused some parts to be rushed. Yes, the courtroom confessions do seem to come a little too easily. One good feature is the last few minutes where Perry, Paul and Della get together to wrap up what happened.
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11:30 PM tonight (Wednesday) is The Man Who Came to Dinner. Great movie with lots of stars. Usually considered a Christmas movie as it takes place at Christmas.
4:00 AM (Wed. night/Thur morning) Mr. Blandings Builds His Dream House. Another great comedy. If you are in process of building or restoring a house, this is not your movie. This was first movie where I was really impressed with Melvyn Douglas. He just hit the role spot on. The house still exists. It was built in a California national or state forest and is used for a headquarters building.
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52 minutes ago, cigarjoe said:
Sort of like a police state, huh? I never read any of the books, I used to like the B&W episodes of the show.
I received first half-season as a gift a few years ago. Became addicted. We ordered the sets as soon as they came out. We probably watch at least one episode a week. Watched two last night.
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On 11/19/2018 at 7:29 PM, jamesjazzguitar said:
The first Perry Mason book came out in 1933.
They are now being republished and are available in many places. If you get one, be prepared as they are not close to the Perry Mason movies of the TV series. Mason and Paul Drake are not as nice.
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20 hours ago, speedracer5 said:
I have noticed that some actresses' wardrobe suddenly looks a lot more revealing on my UHD 4K TV than they ever did on the old 27" tube TV. I would imagine that the film quality of 35mm film vs digital is quite different. I'm sure that the filmmakers and production code had no idea that audiences 80 years in the future would be able to clearly tell if Myrna Loy was wearing underwear or not.
Not to mention, slow motion and zooming. I think a lot of movies had women wear backless dresses and skin tight garments so audiences would assume they were not wearing underwear.
I've often wondered how some of these scenes in old movies actually showed up on the big screens they were meant for. Especially for those sitting in the first few rows.
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On 11/17/2018 at 2:35 PM, Sgt_Markoff said:
Hillman Motors. A Brit auto manufacturer I hadn't known about. Lots of models, I chose just one to display here.
When I was in high school in the early 60's I dated a girl who drove a Hillman Minx. Her father worked as a mechanic at the local Ford dealership and got a deal on it when it was traded in on a Ford.
At least once per month, she had to call someone to come give her a ride home or somewhere because it was dead on the side of the road. Her father would then go and get it running or back to the shop when he got off work.
This was on yesterday, but The Wheeler Dealers (1963) had some very good early 60's Chrysler Corp. products. Also some others. During late 50's and early 60's (maybe later?), Chrysler Corp. supplied a lot of vehicles to Hollywood for movies and TV shows.
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I like Eddie's commentaries and often watch Noir Alley just to hear them. I consider it part of the educational process about Noir and specific Noir movies.
Not sure I would want more from Ben or the other hosts though.
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2 hours ago, Sepiatone said:
Y'know, CID....
Coincidentally, I've spent the last few days or so TRYING to remember that guys name, AND the TV show's.
Sepiatone
Now you know. It was entertaining at first, but then the dancing became less dancing and more stunts.
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Just now, Hibi said:
They could have lengthened it a bit by not having the car start and the co-hort landing with the helicopter and then a chase through the desert.......
Speaking of the car. Considering how much time they spent playing with the radio, it is a wonder the battery didn't die.
She really brought the movie to a different level. In other words, I thought she was really good. 
Rare showing of THE FUZZY PINK NIGHTGOWN (1957) on TCM
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