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4 hours ago, LornaHansonForbes said:
this may sound like a lame excuse, but my allergies were so HORRIBLE on Sunday that I missed the NOIR ALLEY showing thinking it would show up on TCM ON DEMAND (sadly, it has not.)
I am very interested though in the conversation re: REALISTIC gun violence (or a lack thereof) in Classic HOLLYWOOD FILMS of the GOLDEN ERA (pre BONNIE AND CLYDE.)
I mentioned this in my review of HELL BELOW (1933)- a pre-code war film, but one of the most jarring things about it was its realistic depiction of bullet wounds and blood.
i think a great disservice was ironically done to the public (with the best of intentions) by the innumerable blood-free scenes of people getting shot which lacked smoke and spatter and spray and guts- it romanticizes gun violence, almost sexualizes it even- and makes shooting someone witha gun seem a very nice, neat, no-mess affair.
You can really say about Western movies and TV shows in the past.All the people who got shot several times and no blood, no holes, no nothing.
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18 hours ago, Vautrin said:
Poor dumb old Joe the van driver from The Threat. He had a gun and the crooks were asleep,
but Quick Draw McGraw managed to use Joe's innocence to talk him down and not surprisingly
then kill him. The only way to get rid of guys like McGraw was to take out that gat and shoot
him and his two buddies ASAP. But I can see why the kid didn't take that approach. Big mistake.
I didn't find The Threat much more cruel than many noirs. The short running time helped, as I
think things would have become boring in the hostage part of the movie if things had gone on
much longer. Cruel would have been watching his former girlfriend pump more than one bullet
into McGraw, but they stopped at one. Too bad.
To me, Joe should have shot all three of them in the back while they were watching the plane fly over. The police would not have questioned it at all - self-defense. Of course, he had to "wimp-out" to make it more suspenseful.
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For those interested, beginning at 8 PM on Monday, Nov 12 there will be several Torchy Blaine movies. Glenda Farrell stars as Torchy, the newspaper reporter.
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8 hours ago, Bogie56 said:
Tuesday, November 13
3:15 p.m. The Honeymoon Killers (1969). Both Shirley Stoler and Tony LoBianco are very creepy in this. Fans may want to check out the Mexican remake Deep Crimson (1996) which in some respects is even weirder.
Watched this years ago and very disappointed.
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Ditto to Looney's comments on The Threat. McGraw and Grey were definitely the stars of the movie. As usual, Eddie's comments were informative and well worth hearing. I just couldn't buy O'Shea as a cop. Somehow he just didn't have the right look or maybe because I had seen him in comedies before.
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Never have liked Andy Hardy movies.
5 hours ago, JeanneCrain said:Don't know what others may think but the Andy Hardy films seem to be a good wholesome fit for the Thanksgiving/Christmas holiday season.
As such, I for one would like to see these films become annual holiday season regulars...they are respectful "family" oriented classic films - perfect entertainment for family holiday gatherings, particularly around dinner time. 👍
Never have liked Andy Hardy movies. So, watching a movie instead of eating or while eating during a family holiday gathering?
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3 hours ago, scsu1975 said:
Sunday 3:30 a.m:
World Without End
Nancy Gates and Shawn Smith in high heels and miniskirts. This is the future. Also, Rod Taylor shirtless.
Probably the only good things in the movie. Have it on DVD and watched it once. Kind of dull.
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All of this week-ends war movies are about WW II. Nothing on WW I, Korea, Vietnam, etc. except for The Eagle and the Hawk (WW I) on Sunday.
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Next up is The Threat (1949) with Charles McGraw in the lead (more or less), but as a criminal. Virginia Grey and Michael O'Shea are also in it. I saw it several years ago and it is interesting and should hold your attention.
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On 11/3/2018 at 2:46 PM, jamesjazzguitar said:
I agree that there is 'no sense to the statement'.
Anyhow, this is why I don't like the term 'dated'. A term that applies to a majority of the movies made in a decade that are NOT 'period' films (films that represent a historical period of time), or a future period of time are 'dated', is a useless term.
Explained already.
On 11/3/2018 at 3:04 PM, Sgt_Markoff said:It definitely gets under my skin too. I can't help but sound off when it crosses my path. On the other paw, maybe I should adjust my doctor-prescribed Jameson dosage on weekends. There's no excuse for blowing my stack as I often do. It's embarrassing. I need to talk to my nurse about this. Maybe when she's wiping down the glassware later tonight.
Although, you know...where I really "go off" about 'dated' are book sites where overly-PC readers newly introduced to classic lit will make this same kind of remark. Bemoaning the 'misogyny' of Jack Kerouac or Henry Miller; the imperialism of Joe Conrad; the sexism of Ian Fleming. My god!
Explained already, but will elaborate for your benefit.
It is dated in the respect that it is very 70ish. To me it just seemed to be done in the style that many 70's movies were. Everybody is entitled to their own opinions.
I realize that someone could say that about 30's, 40's, 50's movies, etc., but to me many movies made in 70's period had a certain feel to them, particularly crime movies such as Charley Varrick. Maybe because I was living then.
Perhaps not so much dated as typical for movies made in early 70's. I have seen it on TV and on DVD and it looks like an "old" movie in that has not been remastered. Not to mention clothing, dialogue, some scenarios, scenery, etc. While expected, the movie is not quite old enough to fall into the "classic" stage such as ones from the 50's and earlier where all of the "dated" stuff is expected.
While many of the techniques of filming are modern, not as good as what has been done in past couple of decades.
It is a good movie.
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When the poster of Marie Windsor's character was shown I remembered having seen The Sniper many years ago. Overall an above average movie and more than just another crime or police procedural. MissWonderly already did a very good review.
Windsor always impresses me. Of course not as much as in Swamp Women, but that is whole 'nother subject. Actually her best role for me was in The Narrow Margin.
Enjoyed Eddie's recap of the SF scenes. Also noted that Corliss Archer's and Dobbie Gillis' "fathers" (John Eldredge and Frank Faylen) had roles in this.
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11 hours ago, Sgt_Markoff said:
Enjoyed 40 minutes of 'Citizen Kane' tonight. Rather shocked to see it aired. Out-of-the-Blue?
Its closed-captioning in the bar where I watch TCM, so I was able to focus entirely on the visuals. The jigsaw puzzle motif is really a lot stronger than I realized. And the 'mirrors'. Seems like a 'mirror' is the symbol accompanying Kane in more scenes than you'd think.
Welles' acting in this is colossal. The way he 'aged'. Tremendous.
Is that the only place you watch TCM?
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11 hours ago, Sgt_Markoff said:
There's no sense to the statement. Charley Varrick is part of a modern standard of movie-making that still persists today. Cameras, lights, director, actors. Anytime you want to make a realistic movie, that's still how you do it. If you're making a space-opera set in another galaxy for dopey kids, then yeah you can say "well this is how we do things now" because that kind of juvenile silliness needs all sorts of specialized CGI and digital gadgets and absurd, fake, exaggerated, camera-movements. But any nuts'n'bolts indie production today is indistinguishable from the way they made 'Varrick'. Its boilerplate. There's not a single thing 'dated' about it. Film production still has theater as its bedrock. 'Varrick' is an actor's movie: there's a handful of action scenes but otherwise it's all actors.
I disagree. See my comment above.
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16 hours ago, jamesjazzguitar said:
Curious what you mean by the above since I have found people have different interpretations of what 'dated' means to them.
E.g. how does being someone that 'lived in the 70' makes CV more dated then someone that was born after the 70s (because typically I have found that 'dated' is used by folks that were not adults in an era a film was set it).
Thanks
It is dated in the respect that it is very 70ish. To me it just seemed to be done in the style that many 70's movies were. Everybody is entitled to their own opinions.
I realize that someone could say that about 30's, 40's, 50's movies, etc., but to me many movies made in 70's period had a certain feel to them, particularly crime movies such as Charley Varrick. Maybe because I was living then.
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The Saint in Palm Springs is on Sat, Nov. 03 at 10 AM. I believe this is the best of The Saint series.
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Got the DVD of this one a few months ago. Very enjoyable crime movie. Matthau is very good at anything he does. Of course, he is fantastic in Odd Couple Two, Grumpy Old Men and Grumpy Old Men Two. Have never liked Odd Couple (one) though. Have a DVD with Matthau in a Route 66 episode. Very good performance.
Charley Varrick is definitely a different type movie and it you lived in the 70's also kind of dated. Speaking of how they made the movie mostly, sets and so forth. Sort of like watching a TV series from that era. Very enjoyable.
Supposedly Don Siegel was Clint Eastwood's favorite director for his style and movies he made. Siegel also directed The Big Steal, my favorite movie.
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2 hours ago, Hepburn Fan said:
Okay, I could put a Cindi Lauper link here. Nah. But I have to agree. I don't rate movies with numbers or popcorn kernels, or rotten tomatoes, or whatever. I never finish watching a movie and say, what a great musical.
Kinda curious how Noir Alley got to have a special place, with two different times, and no other category does? Just what makes Eddie an expert? My nickers would be in a twist if I were Alicia or Dave.
From my previous post that you may have missed.
As for Muller, I am sure part of the deal with TCM is that he gets to pick the movies. After all, TCM went to him to do the program as he is one of the top "experts" on Noir. For those who may not know, he is the founder of the Film Noir Foundation. http://filmnoirfoundation.org/home.html
This has been discussed before, but it is shown twice because people wanted to see it at different times. Considering how many other movies TCM shows repeatedly, two airings of one Noir is not so much.
One time slot works well for East Coast and other one works well for West Coast.
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4 hours ago, speedracer5 said:
For me, the Sunday Noir Alley is on at 7am! If I was awake at that time, 7am is not a very "noir-ish" time in my opinion. The Saturday 9pm timeslot works much better for me.
For me, Saturday is Midnight and I am asleep by then. So if I don't record it, 10:00 AM on Sunday is not too bad.
One of Eddie's promos showing him trying to decide between Midnight and hard liquor or Sunday AM and coffee. He pours the liquor into the coffee cup.
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5 minutes ago, Hibi said:
The midnight showing, I assume, was chosen because so many people complained about the stupid Sunday morning timeslot. I don't know why TCM has kept it on Sunday mornings.
Actually if I don't record it on Saturday, I will watch it on Sunday AM.
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15 hours ago, Sgt_Markoff said:
Now, as for shooting sprees: I have said often over the past five years or so that it seems like its getting to be once every three months in the USA. I stand by that remark.
This might be more appropriate topic for Off Topic, but to me seems more often than that. I think a lot do not get covered because they do not receive the national attention of others. Did the recent one in Florence S.C. get covered anywhere besides South Carolina?
As for this thread, I consider it to be a discussion of movies shown on Noir Alley.
As for Muller, I am sure part of the deal with TCM is that he gets to pick the movies. After all, TCM went to him to do the program as he is one of the top "experts" on Noir. For those who may not know he is the founder of the Film Noir Foundation. http://filmnoirfoundation.org/home.html
This has been discussed before, but it is shown twice because people wanted to see it at different times. Considering how many other movies TCM shows repeatedly, two airings of one Noir is not so much.
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13 hours ago, slaytonf said:
One hand is on the frame of the windshield--pardon me--windscreen, and the other is on the frame of the car door window.
The lady in question, btw, is Diana Rigg, as Mrs. Peel in the British TV series The Avengers, dressed in one of her signature unitards, a fashion trend-setter. A phenomenon difficult to understand, as she was the only one ever to have successfully worn one.
You could always tell when Emma was going to get into a fight. She wore pants. Otherwise she usually wore dresses or skirts.
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8 minutes ago, cigarjoe said:
Sgt_Markoff seems to want to hijack it into a what is Noir debate.
I think that is better suited for the Noir forum.
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2 minutes ago, cigarjoe said:
Yes it is. Noir Alley and I guess Noir in general.
Thanks. I thought it had turned into some complicated music discussion.
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Is this still about Noir, particularly Noir Alley?
Washington Post's Best Dance Scenes in Movies
in General Discussions
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I can agree to Final Dance from Dirty Dancing and More Than a Woman from Saturday Night Fever. The rest I'll pass on, but musicals and dance movies have never been among my favorites. DD was my favorite for all the dancing and still repeat the final dance scenes occasionally. SNF had some good dance scenes, but to me far more technically choreographed as Hollywood dancing. DD seemed real dancing, although naturally well choreographed.
One interesting aspect is all the TV dance shows that Saturday Fever gave birth to. Who remembers Denny Terrio and Dance Fever?