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  1. There will be lots of Vivien info (as well as Laurence Olivier because TCM is featuring films that deal with revenge) this month at [www.vivandlarry.com|http://www.vivandlarry.com] I'd love it if you guys checked out the [vivandlarry.com blog|http://blog.vivandlarry.com] and [facebook fan page|http://www.facebook.com/vivandlarry] as well because there's always some good discussion going on!
  2. I'm currently reading Louise Brooks by Barry Paris along with some film textbooks for my graduate course
  3. > {quote:title=ClassicViewer wrote:}{quote} > Right, they are used to indoctrinate film students into not making those kinds of films in the future. > > But again, that sort of education could be accomplished with a textbook, a slide show, a museum exhibit, or still photographs. The film itself does not not need to exist in its entirety for it to be studied or the condition surrounding its construction explained. No, they weren't used to indoctrinate us into not making those kinds of films again. They were used to show us key points in film and cultural history, and how the contributed to the development of cinema in their respective societies. Birth of a Nation was the first "epic" film, obviously a staple of silent American cinema. Triumph of the Will, a key example of film in Nazi Germany. In film class you are taught to view film texts with a certain eye and then analyze them based on theories and knowledge of the culture in which they were made. Also, by your example, slideshows, museum exhibits, and still photographs can be just as "offensive" as a moving image, and therefore they do not need to exist either. Why don't we ban art all together while we're at it :/
  4. lol, i didn't think you were comparing them, i was just making a random comment
  5. Despite having 2 Oscars and doing many more films, somehow Olivia DeHavilland doesn't seem to me to have had quite the level of stardom that Vivien was able to achieve in her much shorter career.
  6. She and Larry were gorgeous all the time on screen and off. they were so chic and radiated class.
  7. Just a side note, I was a film major in college and we had to watch both Birth of a Nation and Triumph of the Will, so obviously those films are still relevant from an academic and historical standpoint.
  8. > {quote:title=ClassicViewer wrote:}{quote} > Where is there evidence that suppressing anything is going to lead to it happening again? When you take medicine and suppress a cold or a cough, does it come back the very next day worse than before? > > I think some of us are going to dramatic lengths to say that nothing must ever be forgotten or removed from society. But isn't there a natural selection, in terms of box office appeal and just the organic way that films stay in favor from one generation to the next which indicates what we carry forward? If fifty years from now, GONE WITH THE WIND or TITANIC are forgotten motion pictures, what are we going to do about that? Time evolves and it does sideline things that have fallen out of favor. > {quote:title=ClassicViewer wrote:}{quote} > Where is there evidence that suppressing anything is going to lead to it happening again? When you take medicine and suppress a cold or a cough, does it come back the very next day worse than before? > > I think some of us are going to dramatic lengths to say that nothing must ever be forgotten or removed from society. But isn't there a natural selection, in terms of box office appeal and just the organic way that films stay in favor from one generation to the next which indicates what we carry forward? If fifty years from now, GONE WITH THE WIND or TITANIC are forgotten motion pictures, what are we going to do about that? Time evolves and it does sideline things that have fallen out of favor. "Natural selection" of films fading from the public consciousness over time is definitely not the same as "editing" history via banning/burning/destroying
  9. > {quote:title=ClassicViewer wrote:}{quote} > I would say GLAAD is probably more proactive. They would rather see films that contain positive images of gay men and lesbians. And stories that further societal acceptance and civil rights for all. Those kinds of films will not have characters with limp wrists getting bashed, unless it is a tale meant to deter discrimination and victimization. I would say GLAAD is probably more proactive. They would rather see films that contain positive images of gay men and lesbians. And stories that further societal acceptance and civil rights for all. Those kinds of films will not have characters with limp wrists getting bashed, unless it is a tale meant to deter discrimination and victimization. Of course they're more proactive in wanting LGBT portrayed in a positive light (as they should be anyway), but I don't think GLAAD would have decades of cinema history destroyed because of the negative stereotypes those films portray. I agree with the person who said they would use such films to educate. Edited by: porcelina on Aug 12, 2010 2:32 PM
  10. I don't think GLAAD has ever proposed banning or burning films that portray gay people as "limp wristed" (correct me if I'm wrong). Rather, I'm willing to bet that GLAAD or any other group representing minorities, wants to bring this sort of thing to the attention of the public at large to dispel stereotypes. Have you seen The Celluloid Closet? Good documentary about LGBT representations throughout cinema history, and how those representations have changed dramatically over time. Edited by: porcelina on Aug 12, 2010 2:02 PM
  11. Why would anyone want to ban or burn these films? Many films were banned in certain places upon their initial release, but Roger Ebert is right: we CAN learn a great deal from older films, no matter what the topic is. These films reflected what was going on and the attitudes people had in the particular societies and times in which they were made. It's all about looking at films with a certain perspective. Birth of a Nation and Breakfast at Tiffany's are both ridiculous and offensive when looked at today, but Birth of a Nation sheds a lot of light on not only 1910's attitudes toward racism, but DW Griffith's own personal attitudes. Leni Rifenstahl was, like many people of her generation, caught up in the mesmeric power of Hitler's speeches, and Triumph of the Will, while looked at as evil propaganda by viewers today, was not seen that way in 1930s Germany. When studying film or German history, I think Triumph of the Will is a key film that shows great insight into political and social attitudes of the time, no matter how horrific it may seem to us today. Is Birth of a Nation a "good" film? No, but it's an important film--it was a landmark in cinema history. Does Triumph of the Will show evil in progress? yes. but it's also an innovative film as far as Riefenstahl's style, and it's important to German post-Weimar cinema. How many silent films were tossed out or destroyed because no one cared about them at the time? Now a lot of film buffs mourn the fact and get excited when films that were thought to be lost are found. Film is history, and history should be preserved so that we can take note and learn from the past. Edited by: porcelina on Aug 12, 2010 1:51 PM Edited by: porcelina on Aug 12, 2010 1:52 PM
  12. Oh, fabulous! Maybe we brushed wings at the GWTW party and didn't even know it! I agree, I never get tired of talking about Vivien, or her films, or Laurence Olivier, so we ust make it a point to keep spreading the love Good luck on the web design journey--you definitely learn as you go!
  13. Were you a guest programmer? How wonderful! I bet that was so much fun! Though GWTW seems to be hit or miss among a lot of classic film buffs today, I'm so glad it continues to make people aware of Vivien's amazing screen presence. I went to the 70th Anniversary GWTW party in Atlanta last year and had the opportunity to ask RO why Vivien never gets a day on Summer Under the Stars. he said it was because they didn't have the rights to enough of her films. Well, I'm glad they were able to get enough to make her Star of the Month. I also really wish TCM would make a new documentary about her, like they've done for so many other A-listers. That Scarlett and Beyond one is the worst one, I think, lol. Thanks and I'm glad you enjoy the website, it's a real labor of love
  14. I'm so glad they're finally giving this lovely lady some time in the spotlight! Kendra [www.vivandlarry.com|http://www.vivandlarry.com] [facebook|http://www.facebook.com/vivandlarry] | [blog|http://blog.vivandlarry.com] Edited by: porcelina on Aug 12, 2010 12:48 PM
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