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Interesting about showing the *Battle of Algiers* in the Pentagon. I wonder...do they show *Hearts and Minds*as well?

Michael Moore and John Waters absolutely and Anderson's *If...* has the most subversive facial hair ever. Here's a question: is satire, by it's very nature, subversive? Norman Lear's *Cold Turkey*, I think is both.

Cronenberg's remake of *The Fly* was fabulous. Check out *Back From Eternity* ('56) which is a remake of *Five Came Back*('33). Both are terrific thrillers. I agree that Spielberg's remake of *The War of the Worlds*was deeply disappointing. Remakes are strange creatures. I think successful remakes find something in the original that went unexplored. One film that was remade twice and where the original is a beloved classic is *King Kong*. Of the first remake the less said the better, but Jackson's vision was fantastic. It wasn't beauty killed the beast...it was greed.

Good choices. Practically anything by John Sayles could be considered subversive. I have not seen *Salt of the Earth* but I know of it and it certainly fits the topic. I believe, and please correct me if I am mistaken, *Battle of Algiers* was banned in France. Excellent subversive bona fides. And *Network*...Peter Finch's war cry could be a motto for subversives. Very good choices, ValentineX. I'd like to add *Missing* and *Bulworth*.

I have been exiled off planet. I may take ten films with me. One may be a film featuring Meryl Streep or one featuring Katherine Hepburn. I'm taking "Bringing Up Baby" because, off planet, I can't give you anything but love...

No no no...not a comedy. Dark comedic moments to be sure, but not a comedy. I first saw it in the late sixties. A revival at the fabulous Thalia on 95th street and Broadway. I have taken many showers since then not a few punctuated by thoughts of...what if. The trailer, though, was a comedy. Vera Miles screaming...oh Hitch...you the man.

Interesting thought Stephen55 but at that time racism was hardly subversive. Racism was the dominant paradigm. Woodrow Wilson called Griffith's film truth "writ by lightning." For the Era, though later, Stroheim's "Greed" was as subversive then as it is now.

Art is often a source of revolution. Paintings, sculpture, and of course the written word, often attempt to subvert the dominant paradigm of it's birthing culture. What films do you think have fomented revolutionary thought? I'll begin this thread (my first) with two: "Blue Collar" 1978, directed by Paul Schrader. I believe it to be Richard Pryor's best dramatic performance. The movie's lesson, simply put, is Those in control remain in control because they set the rest of us against each other. This movie rarely is shown. But...however...the most subversive movie extant, in my humble sixties opinion, is the first Matrix movie. Matrix 2 & 3 serve only to dilute the message of the first. The first Matrix is the world we live in. Most of us so tied into this madness that we'd fight not to be freed. So...subversive cinema...Any takers?

So many to name...too many...but I'll try as one does come to mind: Dimitri Tiomkin's score for 'The Thing from Another World'. Often copied...never equaled.