TomJH
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I always marvelled at the perfection of the casting in the film. What a stroke of casting genius it was to find such lookalike actors to play the roles of Gene Tierney's parents as Eugene Pallette and Marjorie Main.
On a comedic level, that is. Watching Pallette and Main squabbling at the breakfast table, the venousness glee in her eye as she spoils that morning's reading of the Katzenjammer Kids for him by letting him know what happened in that day's edition of the comic before he has a chance to read it himself, followed by Pallette's thunderous bellowing reaction, is one of the key scenes in the film that remains a real joy for me.
And my condolences to any readers whose memories of their own parents are such that they can identify with Gene Tierney having that particular Mom and Dad.
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Dargo, the "peace and harmony must be maintained" mindset I understand.
Due to the often perseptive posts that occurred on that thread (not everything there was ugly), it's a shame that it wasn't merely locked, rather than deleted. I noticed, for example, that one of the most inflammatory posts had been erased when the thread was still in existence.
It's probable that Caramel will no longer be with us. Even though I couldn't agree with everything the lady said, I'm very sorry that her intelligent and passionate posts are lost.
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*MissW wrote about Caramel: Also, we do not get many new posters these days, at least not ones who stay. I thought, whether I agreed with everything she said or not, that she was an intelligent and spirited presence here, and I am very sorry that things ended as they did, and that she does not plan to return.*
I completely agree. That was a very brief visit by an intelligent, articulate lady and, if she doesn't return, it's a loss for the boards. I hope she reconsiders and decides to come back. Actually, I made a point of asking her on that thread to consider remaining on the forum because I was so impressed by her postings.
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Caramel more than held her own, in my opinion, against many other posters (myself included, to a large degree) as she stated her objections to a SUTS day in which Hattie McDaniel is shown in a series of films in which she was cast in subservient roles.
Things started to get really ugly on the thread with some comments made by one poster in rebuttal (unless it got even worse after I stopped reading this morning).
However, the insight that I gained from reading Caramel's very well articulated postings is that while it's easy for someone like myself (who has not been directedly impacted) to view past social injustices with an objectivity and from the viewpoint of an historical perspective, it's far more difficult for someone else to do so who continues to feel the hurt and rage over what occurred.
In fact, perhaps it's even ridiculous of us to expect a more "objective" viewpoint from someone who feels the indignity so personally, as a member of that community that was demeaned. Black protest groups protested GWTW when it was premiered with signs saying, "No, No Mammy!" in 1939. For many, not much has changed after all these years. The hurt still runs so deep.
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I'm afraid that it doesn't come as a surprise that this thread has deteriorated to the degree that it has. Any time the topic of race is a part of the conversation (something that can't be avoided with a topic like Hattie McDaniel, obviously) an explosive bon fire of emotions can be the result.
Caramel, I admire your intelligence, passion, and eloquence as a writer, and hope, though you earlier indicated differently, that you decide to remain on the boards. I realize, of course, that you have a bad taste in your mouth right now. However, it would be great to read your viewpoints on other aspects of the classic films we love. Hopefully some of those conversations may even prove to be less contentious.
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crazyblonde, with your comment, do I hear the sounds of someone trying to drop a lighted match into a can of gasoline?
I hope we remember that this is a thread about Hattie McDaniel and her films, and not get sidetracked with inflammatory statements that have nothing to do with the lady.
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*Dargo wrote: However, what I have seen here is that while YOU still justifiably have this hurt, you appear incapable of placing that "hurt" in that "proper perspective" of which I just mentioned, and then unable to view these films in more of a dispassionate manner or in more of a "academic" manner, and thus unable to remove your understandable predisposition to take them for what they were/are.*
Dargo, well put. And it would be easy for me to have written a variation on your sentiments, since that is, more or less, my viewpoint, as well.
But the reason that I write "more or less" is that while on the one hand I make no apology for enjoying Hattie McDaniel's performances (particularly in GWTW) in roles that I know are still insulting to her racial community, I am not a member of that community. Therefore, it's easier for me to be "objective" and place films of another era into an historical perspective.
I understand Caramel's pain, but I don't feel it. There's a history of anguish behind her words, shared by communities other than her's, as well. As a result, while I still encourage her to see GWTW, I sit in no judgement of her for her strong feelings, even if they seem inflexible. Because, quite frankly, I don't have the right to judge her.
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Caramel, I realize that you wish to concentrate on the overall body of work of Hattie McDaniel's career.
I hope, however, that hope day you make the effort to watch her entire performance in Gone with the Wind because her character of Mammy is no "bumbling idiot" in that film. She is, in fact, one of the wisest in the production, a person of great strength and compassion.
And, if it's any solace to you, I strongly suspect that more members of a modern film audience have seen her most in-depth performance in her most famous film than virtually all the others of her career combined.
A few quotes from Hattie:
"In playing the part of Mammy, I tried to make her a living, breathing character, the way she appeared in the book."
"What is the thing that Hollywood demands most? Sincerity. No place in the world will pay such a high price for this admirable trait."
"That's a powerful lucky rabbit's foot. I got the part in Gone with the Wind because of it. I got my Warner contract, thanks to it."
And finally . . .
"When I was little my mother taught me how to use a fork and knife. The trouble is that Mother forgot to teach me how to stop using them!"
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Caramel, we're rather going in circles with this same conversation.
Your passionate dislike over the historical injustice of black actors and actresses being reduced to playing demeaning, stereotypical roles during the studio system days (a reflection of the intolerance of those times) is understandable, and one that all fair minded people share.
On the other hand, you have also made your own contribution to the "ignorance on this board" you find so astounding by having the nerve to critique a performance (Hattie McDaniel in GWTW) that you haven't even seen. That is both arrogant as well as foolish.
And, yes, there has been an emphasis upon that particular performance by McDaniel because that was the time, more than any other in her career, in which she was allowed to bring a wisdom and greater sense of depth to the characterization of a maid. There were perhaps hints of it in a few other films but GWTW was her great opportunity. McDaniel clearly showed what a fine actress she could be when given the opportunity in this film.
You love to make general statements about all the "yassiring and yasmaming" that McDaniel did. Possibly that is because you don't know the specifics, certainly regarding her performance in GWTW. Allow me to inform you that her character does NOT do that in this film. In fact, she in many ways she runs the O'Hara household and more than stands up to the conniving, self centred creature that Scarlet is.
One day, if you ever sit down to actually view the film, may may find that out for yourself. In the meanwhile, however, please spare the lectures about ignorance.
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*Dargo wrote: Rhett ALSO states in it that Mammy is one of the few people he wishes to gain HER respect of him.*
An excellent point, Dargo, which I'm sorry to say I had forgotten. Rhett Butler, that macho strutting cynic, does give Mammy and Melanie a respect that he gives noone else in GWTW. And that respect, in turn, would not be credible if Hattie McDaniel had not made Mammy a strong individual.
Let's face it, outside of Scarlet and Rhett, Mammy is the character whose personality leaves more of an impression than anyone else in one of the most viewed films ever made. Perhaps the role is subservient in nature but McDaniel brings so much character so it, along with the humour, the warmth, and compassion and caring, that the stereotypical part works far better with her than it probably would have with any of a number of other actresses. Let's try Butterfly McQueen in the same role. Then, again, better not.
And for that same reason I completely disagree with Caramel's statement that role and performance are one and the same. Come now, have you never seen an actor/actress bring an added dimension, a sense of depth to a part that wouldn't necessarily be in the role, as written? Hattie McDaniel did that in GWTW, in my opinion.
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Caramel, it's good to see you as a newcomer to the boards, as well as the strength of your convictions you are now expressing.
Obviously, I, along with most others on these threads, I suspect, appreciate and agree with the offensiveness of the menial subservient roles given to black actors during the studio system days. As the actress who played Mammy in Gone with the Wind, Hattie McDaniel may well be the most famous representative of her race within the acting community at that time.
And, yes, it would be primarily white audiences who saw her, were amused and entertained by her in those maid roles, and, in turn, helped to perpetuate the stereotype. All that is understood and I agree with your expressed concerns about the degradation of a race of people.
(The studio system did allow the occasional black performer to break away from the sterotype, albeit briefly. There was the magnificently voiced Rex Ingram, for example, who played a brave Sudanese (I believe) soldier in 1943's Sahara, treated as an equal by Bogart and allowed to have a hero's death. Ingram also always brought a certain proud bearing and dignity to his performances, as well).
But enough about Ingram. Back to Hattie McDaniel. I suppose the difference between our viewpoints is that you concentrate upon the role being played while I look at the performance of the actor in the part, in addition to the role.
That's why I said that we were better off because it was Hattie McDaniel playing those admittedly, at times, demeaning parts. This particular actress made the characters more lovable, engaging, personable that they might have been in the hands of another actress.
You may consider that a petty point in view of those roles she played being a reflection of the oppression at the time for a race of people in the movies (not just blacks, of course, but all non-caucasians). But we're talking about an intolerant time in social and film history in which black performers, if they wanted to make a living in the movies, were forced to accept those kind of parts. They were the pioneers, paving the way to the '50s and '60s and beyond for the Sidney Poitiers and Denzel Washingtons.
That some of them, such as a Hattie McDaniel, were gifted with talent and personality, makes the outrage of those parts more tolerable for me. So, yes, since someone was going to be cast in the those roles at that time, we are fortunate, I feel, that it was McDaniel as often as it was.
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*yanceycravat wrote: Hattie McDaniel may not have been a star in the sense we've come to understand but I would argue that she was as fine an actress that ever appeared on screen.*
I assume, Yancey, that your statement is based upon the impressive dramatics demonstrated by Hattie when she was weeping while climbing the stairs with Olivia de Havilland in GWTW. A wonderful scene, I suspect most would agree. And the only scene in McDaniel's career that I know of which allowed her to show that kind of power.
Certainly the scene gives strong indications that she was capable of doing more on screen than her stereotypical parts allowed. But it is still, after all, just one scene. That's why I think that it is a fair comment to make that the jury may still be out on exactly how much talent she had.
jamesjazzguitar cited Olivia de Havilland. Well, if Olivia had never been allowed to play roles other than "the girl," as was her case early in her career, I would make the same statement about her.
The difference was that de Havilland was later given opportunities to prove how fine an actress she could be. Hattie, aside from that one impressive scene, was not.
But, as MissW said, aside from appraisals of how much actual talent a performer had (certainly enough to say that she was "as fine an actress that ever appeared on screen"-sorry, there's just not enough evidence to make that huge statement, in my opinion), Hattie McDaniel was almost always a joy to watch in her limited parts. She had warmth, she had strength, she had humour - we would be worse off, I feel, if she hadn't been in the movies. That, I think, is the most important factor of all in making an overall appraisal of McDaniel.
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yancey, it's a shame that we couldn't have a difference of opinion without you resorting to a personal remark.
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yancey, we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
That one scene to which you referred in GWTW is a powerful sequence, and it does show that Hattie may well have had great dramatic potential as an actress. Unfortunately, that is the only scene in her career in which she was allowed the opportunity to show some depth as a performer.
Hollywood denied her the chance to do anything other than play servants and demonstrate what a great personality she had. And by virtue of that personality she did, indeed, leave an indelible impression, and her's is a major contribution to that Selznick production.
No matter how much many people may cringe at the stereotyping of her roles, Hattie almost always made me smile when I saw her come on screen because of her likeability factor. However, I think the jury will always be out on just how fine an actress she was. And, for that, we can blame the studio system, not Hattie McDaniel.
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Hattie McDaniel was NOT a star. She was a well known character supporting actress, remembered for her stereotypical casting (as was everyone else who was not caucasian during the studio system days) and the historical significance of being the first black person to receive an Academy Award.
Even after receiving that Oscar, however, it was strictly back to the familiar servant role. Hollywood studios NEVER treated her as a star, even after the Oscar win. "Okay, Hattie, you had your day in the Oscar sun, but now it's back to small maid parts for you."
One of the few times after GWTW in which McDaniel actually received a reasonable amount of screen time was when she was reunited with Olivia de Havilland, playing her sassy maid in They Died With Their Boots On.
The woman had a ton and a half of personality, and emitted a warmth that made her most appealing. Listening to her doing the Ice Cold Katie number in Thank Your Lucky Stars also shows that she had a strong singing voice.
We will never know what kind of range she may have had as an actress because, unlike some other character actors or actresses, her opportunities were so limited. The scene in which she cries in GWTW is genuinely effective but that's the only scene in her career that I know of which required any kind of stronger dramatics.
Yes, she does have a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. Again, I feel, an acknowledgement of that 1939 Oscar win. After that win, the parts still weren't much. However, far more important to Hattie, I'm sure, was the fact that she made a good living, was able to put food on the table and perhaps even had a servant or two of her own.
But a star? Not by my definition.
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Maureen O'Hara selected Boise because she has family living there.
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Maureen O'Hara has had a long, highly eventful life, some of it very tumultuous and, yes, like many of us, she has suffered from personal tragedy.
But there she is, now relocated in Boise, celebrating her life and films with her fans, the eternal optimist. And now with a cause, due to a situation of her own which she survived. The lady is a fighter and testament to the power of positive thinking.
God, she has so much for which she must feel proud when she looks back upon her life.
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Thanks very much, swimminginaqua, I didn't realize that it was Miss O'Hara's birthday on August 17th.
By all means, Happy Birthday, Miss O'Hara. But it looks like a lot of fans helped her celebrate it in Boise, just two days ago. And the lady has a cause, elder abuse.
Perhaps there will be another opportunity to celebrate the lady and her films next year at this time.
If anyone reading this actually attended the birthday party, it would be great to hear from you.
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I believe that virtually all of Wallace Beery's best films were made in the first few years of the talkies, up to 1934, the year of Treasure Island and Viva Villa!. After that, with the possible exception of Ah, Wilderness, most of the films he made at MGM were Beery vehicles and they are a pretty mediocre collection of sentimental claptrap, for the most part.
Give me Beery as Long John Silver or Pancho Villa or even in Dinner at Eight any day. Spare me that later stuff he made.
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Fred, Bill Huelbig, who revived this thread, said you can hear the words alright, but you have to get the Blu ray version of the film to do so.
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James, you're assuming, of course, that the owner of Shane would even know that the film had been altered. If (and, I admit, it is an if) it was the case that George Stevens Jr. missed it, who's to say that others involved didn't fail to notice the missing final words, as well?
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Dargo, that scene in which Lee Tracy cuts into Larry Renault for his pomposity and illusions of grandeur, for his baggy looks, as he now "sags like a woman" is quite vicious, thanks to Tracy's usual acidic delivery.
While Larry Renault's character was never portrayed as being quite as hailed by critics as John Barrymore had once been, the parallels between actor and role are unmistakable. I have to wonder if Barrymore didn't wonder if he wasn't having a glimpse at his own future when he played that role.
The other thing apparent is the physical deterioration that appears to have occured with Barrymore in just the year or so that had passed between when he played the Baron in Grand Hotel and this film. Yes, he was far more flatteringly photographed in the former film. Still, if you look at Dinner at Eight and Night Flight, made the same year, 1933, Barrymore's matinee idol days were clearly behind him.
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It's a nice thought, lavender.
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Yes, lavenderblue. Even aside from Miss O'Hara's wonderful film legacy, she is a lady who has been very accessible to film fans, and even, for a while, had an annual film festival in her name in Glengarriff, Ireland, where they could meet her.
Maureen O'Hara is as classy off screen as she is on, and that, in itself, is something to celebrate.
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All joking aside, I actually can see a certain physical similarity between Gene Tierney as daughter, and Pallette and Main as her parents.
For starters, they all had two eyes and ears and a single nose.
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Visual lookalikes, or what?