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*MissW wrote:Anyone enjoy Elliott Gould's Marlowe in *The Long Goodbye*?* I must admit that I've avoided this film because of the casting of Elliott Gould. The casting sounds like a joke. Am I wrong?

TB, yesterday it was feminism, and your desire to discuss lady swashbucklers. Today it's reading homoerotic imagery into a photograph. You are trying to take this thread in directions that I, as the originator, do NOT wish it to go. I have never ONCE come on any of your countless threads and tried to be disruptive, as you are now doing. I put considerable effort into the initial posting on this thread and would like it to remain a reflection of its title, a celebration of The Mark of Zorro and Adventures of Don Juan. If someone wants to bring up some other swashbucklers that's fine, too, of course. But I really don't want a discussion here based on either a feminist agenda or reading gay implications into characters' actions. If you want to pursue either subject you are free to create your own thread. And I assure you that I will not barge into it and try to alter it on you.

*filmlover wrote: I think he (Robert Mitchum) was perfect for the role in Farewell My Lovely because he showed the world-weariness of the character.* Mitchum was tired alright. A little too tired. If he had played the role in the '50s he'd have been a great Marlowe. Having said that, though, even in the '70s, he's still one of the better Marlowes, in my opinion. He was an actor born to be a tough guy in a noir thriller.

Just a reminder, tonight's the night: 8pm (EST): THE MARK OF ZORRO 10pm (EST): ADVENTURES OF DON JUAN

*filmlover wrote:* > *{quote:title=dpompper wrote:}{quote}With all the saber/sabre (both spellings are acceptable) rattling and codpiece crushing that went on in here yesterday, I hope everyone still is OK.* *For some reason, I just thought of this passage in The Mark of Zorro:* *Diego: I must please ask you to change the subject. His Excellency objects to talk of throat-cutting.* *Estaban: Quiet, you Popinjay! I have no reason to letting you live either.* *Diego: What a pleasant coincidence. I feel exactly the same way about you, Capitan.* Bravo, filmlover. LOL.

filmlover, yes, certainly I picked up on clore's reference to another poster. As I said, everyone's free to give their opinion here on Zorro and Don Juan but pardon me if I try to stack the reviews a little. Why do you think I published those photos of Flynn and Power with their pets? While I wouldn't regard it as a slam against the animals if anyone criticized their owners' films, how could anyone? Just look at those dogs' soulful eyes.

*clore wrote: So, just let it be known that you only wish to hear positive things about THE MARK OF ZORRO and THE ADVENTURES OF DON JUAN and that any negative comments about them is a slam against the fans of the films, the families of the stars, their agents and their pets and against TCM which is devoting four hours of tomorrow's schedule to their legacy.* No stipulations like that from me. This thread is just a "heads up" on two films that I love and, I suspect, others will appreciate as well. And if readers don't like the films, they are more than free to express their viewpoints here, if they are of a mind to. And, no, if people don't like Zorro or Don Juan, I wil not regard it as a slam against the pets of those involved. 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*TB wrote: let's relax and enjoy the diversity that people bring to our threads and the message boards in general.* To tell you the truth, I was perfectly relaxed with this thread, as were others who participated, I believe, until you came aboard, OUT OF NOWHERE, with your "concerns" for the thread's direction, with your feminist agenda. That's like my coming aboard your Loretta Young thread and saying, "I'm concerned with the direction of the thread concentrating upon Loretta Young. Let's talk about Tyrone Power." Quite frankly, if I had done that, especially considering the title of the thread, it would have been rude. It was apparent from the initial posting that this thread is intended to celebrate two specific films that are coming on TCM tomorrow night. Period. Please do not bring your agenda here when you can create a thread of your own on that subject.

TB, as you can see by the title of this thread, it is NOT about Maureen O'Hara swashbucklers. It is about Zorro and Don Juan. Please have the courtesy to stop trying to turn my thread into something that is part of an agenda of your own.

Dargo, I suspect there are a fair number of TCM viewers that haven't seen The Mark of Zorro in a few years, if at all. I think you're in for a real treat. Personally, I think this was, bar none, Ty Power's greatest adventure film.

Well, James, thanks for the clarification. If you look at my original list of Flynn films with noteworthy music, there are 10 that did not feature Olivia. Having said that, though, I also don't want this to sound like it's just a numbers game. Obviously the quality of the scores will vary to some degree. You could argue better to have a Gone with the Wind score in a film of yours than two or three other films with good but unexceptional musical accompaniment. In any event your point is well taken, an Oliva de havilland did, indeed, have a lot of impressive music in her films (for that matter, I've always thought that Olivia appeared in an above average number of classics. Aside from the Flynn films, she was also in GWTW, Strawberry Blonde and The Heiress, all with terrific music.

Dargo, having read your latest posts I must compliment you for being the good ol' boy diplomat that you are. Now, a reminder that it's Monday evening that two of the great swashbucklers are coming on TCM, a treat for those who love them, and an even bigger one for those viewers who have never seen them: 8pm (EST): 10pm (EST):

TB, there's nothing wrong with discussing a wide spectrum of films on a thread. It's just that you ALWAYS feel a need to re-direct someone else's thread. It must be murder for someone around you who says they'd like a glass of juice but you tell them let's discuss milk. This thread is a celebration of two great films coming on tomorrow night. Stop trying to steer it in another direction that you deem more appropriate. You want a lady swashbuckler thread? You're free to create one but you sure won't have many films to talk about.

*I am proud to be a feminist and have been for twenty years.* Fine. But why do you have to bring your agenda to someone's thread, especially when you create so many of your own? Please do your controlling there.

*OMG! I'm beginning to spell like a Canadian!* You mean correctly?

Dargo, I can't say the Ivanhoe score is one of my favourites. At least, compared to the best of Korngold. Rozsa was far more impressive, to me, when he did the score for Ben Hur.

Fred, perhaps you misinterpreted the entire purpose of the thread. As stated in the thread's title, which actor/actress' career was distinguished with the best music?. And it's a point that I think is interesting to make. Not every thread is going to be about how bad modern films are or identifying a star's picture from another era.

Dargo, I had no idea that Powell had played Marlowe in The Long Goodbye on television, let alone a corpse on the show that started walking when he thought he was off camera. Must have made Powell looked like he wasn't the brightest detective around when he kept investigating the guy's murder.

Fred, I made no secret of the fact that I thought Flynn's films had more great musical accompaniment that any other star's in my the initial posting. By stating up front that I thought the answer was Flynn, it gave others the opportunity to challenge my opinion. I could have included Flynn's name in the title's thread but I chose not to for fear that it would sound like I had a closed mind on the subject. I don't but, so far, no one has made a serious case to change my opinion, though an interesting case was made for Olivia de Havilland. So what about it, Fred? Do you think there is any other star in film history who has a greater number of films with outstanding musical scores than Flynn? Or do you agree with me?

*dpompper wrote: I do not want to jump into whatever fracas is in progress here . . . only responding to the OP . . . Powell as Marlow . . . the "best?" . . . not even close. He simply does not work for me. Too pretty. Too polished.* Well, then, I take it you would REALLY have a problem with the idea of Jayne Mansfield as Marlowe, then? (Actually maybe that winking faced emoticon wasn't even necessary there). In answer to your reply, though, I find Powell quite brilliant as Marlowe, and I don't think there's anything in Chandler's writing to indicate that he was a mug in his appearance. I like Powell for much the same reason I like James Garner in the role (now THERE was a good looking guy, so you probably disagree with me again). Powell and Garner were both laid back, yet could deliver stinging one liners. These guys could lay out the zingers and, let's face, Chandler's Marlowe was a master at zingers. Powell also looked tired and disdainful in Murder My Sweet, to me, trumping the fact that he was a good looking guy. To me he was that "knight of the streets" that about which Chandler wrote. Bogart was good but too much like Sam Spade. We had seen it before. Mitchum was too old when he did it, otherwise he might have been perfect. Nah, to me, Powell (and Garner) were about as good as we've ever had it with one Philip Marlowe on screen.

Dargo, I really can't recall those Rozsa scores. But, assuming that you're correct and they're impressive, they deserve mention because Rozsa was one of the best. Still, old boy, the score stands at Robert Taylor 3, Errol Flynn 103. Okay, I exaggerated a bit, but Flynn has, I would say, a considerable edge over anybody. Flynn is sort of the Secretariat of the star-with-musical-accompaniment-in-his-films scene. Those other stars (horses) are lagging soooo far behind. In truth, from the studio system days, at least, I think the closest competition to Flynn films for stars whose films had great music would probably be Bette Davis and Tyrone Power.

Please, clore, let's keep this thread on topic. We're talking Jayne Mansfield here.

*clore wrote: I couldn't resist. It's one thing when someone is so adamant about controlling the content of their own threads, but quite another when they insist on rerouting the direction of someone else's thread.* What, clore, you think that a certain other unnamed poster on these boards is "controlling"? I'm shocked, SHOCKED, at such a suggestion.

clore, you shame me with your insightfulness, and the manner in which you can see right through me. I'm such a pig. And now I will try to make amends: ahem, if only Jayne Mansfield could have been cast in the Walter Neff role in Double Indemnity. Yes, I know she came along a few years later, and people might have noticed the fact that she was a woman. But, gosh darn it, I wish Billy Wilder had a little more patience. Jayne was a much better actress than she was ever given credit for. Who are we to say that she coudn't have pulled it off. If the censor code of the day had allowed it, Mansfield and Stanwyck might have made history together. But, instead, those fuddy duddies cast MacMurray!

Fred, I agree with you about Newman's score in The Rains Came. But then Newman did so much great stuff, a lot of it for Tyrone Power films. Still, I stand by my original statement the no other star in the history of film has had as much impressive musical accompaniment as Errol Flynn. His films was very fortunate, in that respect.