klyx

@eyegouge (classic LOL) *First of all, I think suggesting TCM is becoming corrupt and driving away from their intentions for showing two films on late Friday nights a little too over the top.* I never implied that, if I did, quote it and I'll retract it. More power to anyone to do/sell what they want. I am a big advocator of "if you dont like it turn it off - or (games) dont play it"

*+*Also, I never understand comments like "why do you need all the gore"? It's very judgemental, and assumes that's the only reason someone's attracted* au contraire, my friend. It is not judgemental. But instead a reflection of our society and what it has become today. When I tell (many) people that all i really watch is TCM, they all have the same reply - "..oh? those old b/w movies with all the dancing and singing. Or the war / westerns". It is a tacid understanding that when you say "classic" the majority will just assume the above - horror and gore do not fall into that category nor is it even associated with it, as the Sci-Fi dept has taken that title. Look on the grocer store magazine rack - if there is gore, most likely it is associated with sci-fi (yes there are exceptions - but we're not talking minorities) If all that(gore) was cut out and it was left to the story tell - I think personally it would fail. I use hitchcock because we all know he is a master at horror and suspense. I dont know of too many of his shows that he does that has that kind of "gore" yet he can still scare you. These movies are made this way because there is money in it. Producers know there are poeple out there that love watch people die - and the more real they can make it the money goes in their bank... Faces of Death I,II,II (and I heard there was a 4?) I was so popular that a 2nd and a 3rd was made (cant do that if your broke - btw the first film grossed over 35million!!! and that was in the 80's! Classic?) and possibly a 4th. First movie was rated in the top 50 cult films of 2000!!! Yes there are sicko's that love watching you die! and the recent 1000 ways to die airing I think on spike tv. found that by accident, it was showing in a car repair shop and the customers (4 of them) were engrossed in it. If people did not support these types of "genre" , by watching, buying or going to the theaters, they would go out of business. Or try something different. But we are in no short demand of people that love to watch people hurt, bleed or die. I am a far cry from a pacifist, but at the same time I do not condone unessasary violence (Scareface? chainsaw scene?). I think "good" directors and writers can tell a story w/o all the "extra" gore. Full Metal Jacket was good, bordered on too much in some parts, but not too bad, because it was a war movie. We glorify and give out acadamy awards for any depiction of illegal activity to the big screen, the more real the better (and then the FX guys can jump on the "awards" band wagon") from drugs, rape, torture and murder - none of which is legal - Yet we crucify sexual content (which by the way is legal) - No awards there for the best "grind under that sheets" - substiture a chainsaw in the gut, for a blank in the blank -no? , the best "Kiss" right? I know many of you who just read that are squirming in your seat - drugs, killing and torture you can handle, watching sex.... YIKES! I agree with an earlier post that there was sexual content added to some movie and he could here a THUD in the audience, and it did nothing to the movie. If it was a love scene, how not if it was in the right spot? Yet a violent scene in the right spot works. How? The Beyond belongs on the Sci-Fi channel of classic horror movies (I agree its a classic) not TCM, OK, so this is going off in a different tangent.. sorry about that.I wanted to address that it was not a judgemental statement, but a factual statement. These movies are made to attract those that love gore - ya it has a "story" but so does "Saw" (and that was rated high on the charts too) Moderator: This topic is leaning towards a different direction.. if you have a section for it. stick it there. It is a controversal topic. But a good one. Edited by: klyx on Jun 25, 2011 2:47 PM Edited by: klyx on Jun 25, 2011 2:49 PM

Good morning all! (luckily I did not have any nighmares on that short display of gore I was exposed to - and to think its an every day thing for kids who think nothing of it and would love to see more ) Thank you for your input, thee were some interesting comments. I never thought about having separate TCM's. (after all HBO, MTV and countless other channels do the same thing). My only take on that would be they risk veering off the track of what TCM is all about. To the poster (cant remember, doesnt show while replying) stating that they only get 4hrs and that is on Friday - not exact quote. I only have 1 question for you Is there a reason that you need to see that gore? Is both the director and writer of that movie lack vocabulary and skill to convey to its audience the story (if there was one) without the use of gore (hitchcock and others can do it right?) I felt as though you took as TCM was going to take that segment away. Anyways, the post was my opinion as a result from, to me, a shocking movie to see when I was up late working. It was not meant to influence. Cheers. thanks again. I'll just have to remember not to have it on at 1am LOL. TCM can show whever they like. I should have checked the schedule. Edited by: klyx on Jun 25, 2011 9:33 AM

I love TCM. Its all I watch, and all that is on the tube. I like it because of the old classics. While there is shooting and such, it does not seem to carry a "gore" connotation. s/he gets shot, falls down, you get the idea, there is no need to show the gore, you get the idea (Hichcock had it right - its in the viewers mind that is the scarriest) - and story goes on. tonight i had the misfortune of watching "the beyond" (well the first 4min) - total gore, and uncalled for human mutilation and torture how is this a classic? Because it is an "old" 83' movie? My personal take is that I believe anything newer than the 60's should not even show, and 60's should be subject to some standard. I was upset as I had to turn off the TV since I am not into watching people tortured. Not my thing. I am not a pacifist, but at the same time, I do not need to see blood and gore to get the idea that someone is getting beat. just my take. All the stations are becoming corrupt these days: MTV play anything BUT music SCI-FI has just taken on WWW as a segment (seriously what does wrestling have to do with sci-fi G4-Tech TV (gaming station for the lastest PC and Console game released and conventions) Now show pretty much sports, CHEATERS, and COPS! No more games (except X-Play) Please don't let TCM head that way. I noticed over the years that movies considered "classics" are becomming newer (I saw a glimps of LOTR in there - while ithat is a fabulous movie - I would not consider it a classic by TCM statndards, and my impression (although incorrect maybe) is that classics are the old black and whites. OK, off my soap box :-P maybe someone might agree with some of this.