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  1. 2 hours ago, Hoganman1 said:

    While clearly one of Bogie's best performances, I didn't like the movie because my hero was "the bad guy". 

    Actually Hoganman, if you think about it, Fred MacMurray is really "the bad guy" in that movie.

    (...according to Jose Ferrer during the little congratulatory party the officers held after the trial)

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    10 hours ago, Hoganman1 said:

    ...PS Is that you in the pictures LHF? If so, I'm jealous. 

     

    9 hours ago, LornaHansonForbes said:

    HA! 
    no, not me. Those are all images I found online when I typed in “Bogart Tree at Riviera Country Club” into a bing search. 

    Nope Lorna, I didn't think that was you.

    Nope, and 'cause I've never thought you might look like Regis Toomey.  ;)

    (...and which I think that guy looks like, although I doubt that is him)

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  3. 3 hours ago, MovieMadness said:

    I never said that, although you are correct that it flopped. I think the same can be said for It's A Wonderful Life, which went on to become a classic that is hard to dispute. But I really don't see why Citizen Kane is still revered as much as it is, yes the visuals are stunning, but the story itself is not one that makes it the greatest movie of all time. And popularity is important, much more than you give it credit for.

    Yes, to some extent the idea of a film's popularity is important to some degree in these regards, but I still think this aspect should never be an overriding decider of its "greatness factor". There have been many many films released throughout the many many years which have topped the list of box office receipts each of those various years, but which quality-wise were lesser in both artistically or in any sort of groundbreaking manner. And thus no, I do not believe popularity is more important than what I've given it credit for.

    3 hours ago, MovieMadness said:

    The problem with Citizen Kane is you have to take a history class to understand why it is important. And few youngsters today want to do anything that hard.

    In regard to this "having to take a history class" to understand this film, first, ironcally this "history class" you speak of here is actually the opening sequence of  Citizen Kane as you may recall, and so any novice to its viewing would not need the aforementioned. I however will not dispute your take on what does seem the general reluctance of today's youth to "work hard" in these regards and in regards to learning of our world's past histories. 

     

    3 hours ago, MovieMadness said:

    BTW the greatest movie of all time is Gone With The Wind, it is an easy one to say because of its modern popularity and historical significance. Nobody has to take a history class to figure it out either. If it was released today it would be a smash hit full of controversy.

    Personally here, I've felt for decades now that "the greatest movie of all time" which coinincidently also contains the narrative of postwar Americans attempting to make their way in the world, but not after of events of the American Civil War but after the Second World War.  Yep, I believe William Wyler's The Best Years of Our Lives is even "greater" than GWTW in many aspects. The themes in Mr. Wyler's film are as topical and as relevant today as they were in 1946. And in addition, it's a film of which I doubt even those out there inclined to be "woke" could find at all "controversial". 

     

    3 hours ago, MovieMadness said:

    But I wish we had ratings on which movies do the best on TCM when they are shown. That would clear up many of the complaints on what gets viewed the most. I imagine many watch Citizen Kane when it is shown, but then that's what we would expect from the TCM viewers. It is everyone else that I am talking about, and they would fall asleep i am afraid. You know it, and I know it.

    Frankly my dear, ahem, I mean MM, I don't give a damn about "ratings", but yes, I suppose there are those out there who'll find Citizen Kane "boring" and might fall asleep while watching it. In fact, I think I myself might've fallen asleep while watching it the first time. But then again, I think I was all of about 13 years old at the time when this happened, but eventually as I matured and watched it in later years, I would discover its greatest.

     

    3 hours ago, MovieMadness said:

    So in closing, let me say that popularity is certainly a major factor in something as important as the greatest movie of all time. Would you call brussel sprouts the greatest vegetable of all time if nobody eats them?

    (...interesting attempted analogy here, but being one who enjoys almost all vegetables, I'm afraid I can't quite understand the logic of picking on the poor brussel sprout here)  ;)

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  4. 5 hours ago, MovieMadness said:

    ...If this movie [Citizen Kane] was released today would it be a blockbuster classic? Uh, no. It is a movie for movie buffs only.

     

    5 hours ago, TopBilled said:

    I think it depends how said film is marketed. Merchant-Ivory's HOWARDS END (1992) played mostly in theaters located in upscale neighborhoods and grossed $26 million on a budget of $8 million in 1992 dollars. It was considered a bonafide hit and then was nominated for several Oscars, including Best Picture. It won Oscars in a couple categories. 

    I think something like CITIZEN KANE today would have to be marketed that way, as an arthouse film...and as awards bait.

    Expecting it to be a blockbuster is quite unrealistic.

    Good answer to MM's query here, TB.

    And in fact, Welles' masterpiece was NOT a money maker for RKO when IT was first released, and as you may know.

    And so, therein lies the false premise to MM's apparent use of box office returns or the popularity or lack thereof in regards to quantifying ANY motion picture ever made and its becoming known as a "classic" and/or a "great" and/or noteworthy film.

    (...kind'a reminds me of a certain guy who recently,  like in the past four years, would always point to the ratings of some news networks of which he'd then negatively comment upon if what he heard from that source would displease him, and as if the popularity of something is the end all and be all of its quality...yeah MM, I'm talkin' about "your boy" here, dude)  ;)  LOL

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  5. 9 hours ago, Sepiatone said:

    Not familiar with those movies, or the idea of "Western noir" in general.  So, are you claiming these movies follow THIS definition's guidelines?

    Film noir (/nwɑːr/; French: [film nwaʁ]) is a cinematic term used primarily to describe stylish Hollywood crime dramas, particularly those that emphasize cynical attitudes and sexual motivations. The 1940s and 1950s are generally regarded as the "classic period" of American film noir. Film noir of this era is associated with a low-key, black-and-white visual style that has roots in German Expressionist cinematography.

    Sepiatone

    Yep, Sepia. Both the naratives and the visual style of noir are present in every one of these westerns.

    In particular, I remember the first time I watched Station West and Blood on the Moon years ago and being struck by how "noir" these oaters seemed. It also might especially seemed so to me because both of these film's leads are icons of classic film noir, Dick Powell and Robert Mitchum, respectively.

    (...I suggest you record these two in particular...they're two of my favorite "western noirs"...I think you'll like them too)

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  6. While perhaps not "playing against type" (which does seem the subject topic in TB's thread here) I have to say the following might be one of the bravest performances in any film I've ever seen...

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    Harold Russell in The Best Years of Our Lives.

    (...and in a manner of speaking, with Mr. Russell being a non-professional actor but still holding his own in this film against some great professional actors, I believe makes his performance especially brave)

     

     

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  7. 2 hours ago, TopBilled said:

    And TWILIGHT OF HONOR (1963) also from his early MGM contract days.

    Of course he was busy turning out weekly episodes of MGM's Dr. Kildare TV series from 1961-66, so his movie career was a bit sporadic in the 60s.

    And a pretty good courtroom drama all in all, which contains Claude Rains' penultimate big screen role.

    (...Rains' small role as King Herod in The Greatest Story Ever Told two years later would be the great actor's last)

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  8. On 2/15/2021 at 9:17 AM, Sepiatone said:

    :D  Not by PIXAR I hope!  Then they'll have to change the title to "Finding Ambersons"  ;)

    Sepiatone

     

    20 hours ago, Aritosthenes said:

    Well .. look at it ThisWay.....

    If They Do That ...

    _Thingsll be Looking 😏Up ..

    So, are you saying here Ari that some of the scenes that were left on the editing room floor and that they're gonna recreate with animation in Orson flick will contain ballons, a Korean kid and dogs that can fly airplanes???

    And maybe even a scene in which Agnes Moorehead yells, "SQUIRREL!" ?

    (...hey, I'd be, ahem, up for that, dude...and especially because I've always found The Magnificent Ambersons kind'a boring otherwise)  ;)

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  9. On 2/11/2021 at 3:12 PM, cinecrazydc said:

    Interesting that among Bogart's first lines as Captain Queeg in The Caine Mutiny is a reference to having "seven tough years in the Atlantic ... '    @0:15 in the clip below-

     

    And thus now answering the question, "What did you do in the war, Daddy?" posed by little Dennis Mitchell.

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  10. 1 hour ago, TCMallnightlong said:

    I'm one of those viewers who much prefers movies made no more recently than the 1950's. The magic for me is in watching movies made before I was born, or at least,  before I started watching movies in theaters.  I like the 30's films by far the best, they're also good for decompressing, serving as light entertainment. I figure they didn't have tv then, so the movies had to provide most of the laughs, and some of the information and education. They had good stories. That generation was more charming, in my opinion. I've seen probably more than half of these movies, but they still make for good entertainment. I lived through the era of the heavy, message movies of the 70's, and have no desire to revisit either that decade, or the movies from then which are generally rated highly. Again, the key for me is movies from another time than one I lived through. 

     

    HEY now Dude! I can be "charming"! Well, when I HAVE to be, anyway. And I was born in 1952 and towards the end of that era you're talkin' about here. IN FACT, I'd even go as far to say that I'M probably more "charming" than my FATHER ever was, and HE was born in 1920, and thus making him of that generation you seem so fond of here!

    Although I must admit, I usually strive for "witty" much more than "charming".

    (...you'll now have to be the judge if I've been at all successful here)

  11. On 2/12/2021 at 11:02 AM, jamesjazzguitar said:

    It really doesn't matter what either of you write,  or even Hallie;   Tom couldn't read.

     

    True, Tom couldn't read, but POMPEY could.

    And thus unbeknownst to Tom, Pompey had actually had the deed to the ranch written in HIS name, and thus HE actually owned the ranch...lock, stock and barrel!

    THAT'S right! Pompey was a hell of a lot smarter than anyone in Shinbone knew!!!

    (...the preceding was brought to you courtesy of Black History Month 2021...and about a century and a half after Pompey had made his killing in the Shinbone real estate market)

    ;)

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  12. I always have to chuckle whenever I see someone come on here and say something like, "All I see is movies from 80s being shown [on TCM]".

    And primarily because almost without fail after turning on my TV and hitting the Guide button on my cable remote control and then scrolling down to channel 237 to see what's on TCM at the time, it almost inevitably or at least many more than not is showing movies that star Humphrey Bogart, Bette Davis, Gary Cooper, Joan Crawford and many many others who worked for the major movie studios back in the day, and none of whom as I recall ever made an awful lot of movies during the decade when shoulder pads made a short-lived fashion comeback.

    (...i.e. the "1980s")

     

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  13. "60 is the new 50."

    The above often heard comment regarding the idea of "ageing" in today's world is actually what I find myself quite often thinking about while watching an old classic film and not so much anymore that those in the cast are no longer with us.

     I've noticed cases within many classic movies where the character's age is mentioned and where it's implied that the character being over the age of 60 considers themself or is considered by others in the movie as being "old".

    (...and when you consider the thought that modern day actors such as Harrison Ford who is in his late-70s and Liam Neeson who is in his late-60s are still starring in films in which they play action heroes, and something of which would have been unheard of during the studio era, I think this alone helps prove the validity of the above saying)

     

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  14. OH and btw, and regarding MM here...

    MUCH too phony looking, what with that damn bleached blonde hair and usually with way too much makeup on that puss of hers too. Sans all that makeup, and she isn't such-a-much lookin' at all. Just look at those early pictures of her taken when she was still "Norma Jean". She's pretty much just your pleasant looking girl-next-door type.

    (...to say nothing about that breathless little "baby talk" voice she had....YUCK!!!)

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  15. 57 minutes ago, Sepiatone said:

    Yeah, it's an "eye of the beholder" thing for sure.  Like, member DARGO is really smitten with Ava, as I found others I thought more attractive.  Like Jean  Tierney, or Paulette Goddard and Jane Russell( for brunettes)   But as was stated, it's my opinion, which of course, should have no bearing on anyone else's.

    Sepiatone

    First here, Liz Taylor always seemed to me to be in both looks and personally as "too delicate" for want of a better description here.

    Secondly, sure, Gene Tierney had that sexy as all hell little overbite, but in my view again, she also came across as just a bit "too delicate". Goddard was an attractive lady to be sure and maybe a "9", and while Jane Russell certainly could never be called "too delicate" and exuded an earthiness about her in all of her films, sorry, that strange looking nose of hers has always turned me off a bit.

    Aaaah, but now Ava, she had it all. Classic beautiful features AND that same smoldering and sultry "earthiness" which Jane Russell had.

    (...and yeah, I think Ava's little chin clef is sexy as hell too...so sue me!!!)  ;)

    LOL

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  16. 7 hours ago, cinecrazydc said:

    Gilbert Roland and ventriloquist Jeff Dunham's character Jose Jalapeno 

    Gilbert Roland - rangers of fortune 1940 - 8 1/2 X11 | eBayJeff Dunham : Controlled Chaos - Charles Brewster's AS ...

     

    ...."on a steeek"! 

    (...in of course the interests of properly quoting Mr. Dunham's act here, cinecrazy)  ;)

     

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  17. 34 minutes ago, Sepiatone said:

    Gosh, I remember how popular that theme was when I was a kid! (I was 6 when it came out)

    Sepiatone

    Yeah, I remember this too, Sepia.

    (...did you also try whistling along to the tune whenever it came on the radio back then?...I did)

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  18. 13 hours ago, David Guercio said:


    Has TCM ever shown Bridge On The River Kwai?  The returning champion was talking about it on Jeopardy last night.  It sounds like an edge of your seat type of movie and great.  So if it’s never been on here?  I’ll request it.

     

    11 hours ago, slaytonf said:

    It is one of the great classic movies, made by David Lean, Director of movies like Lawrence of Arabia (1962), and Brief Encounter (1946).  TCM shows it often.

    Jeopardy! guest host Ken Jennings did in fact respond to the contestant's comment about his being very impressed with TBOTRK by telling the contestant that Lean's Lawrence of Arabia is his own favorite classic movie, and then advised him to seek that one out. 

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  19. 20 minutes ago, Sepiatone said:

    I'm with you on the "You're welcome" matter.   And too, did you notice how easy it is to call horseradish "HORSHRADISH"?  ;)   I do try to call it "horse"  which does take some diligence .

     

    And, I'd bet the same people who call the stuff "horshradish" probably also call our nation's capital "Worshington, D.C." too, Sepia. ;)

     

     

  20. 1 hour ago, Hoganman1 said:

    If so, she would be at least 110. However, Mrs. MacFee had a huge impact on me. To this very day I cringe when I hear a sentence that ends with a preposition. I also struggle with people who substitute "bring" for "take" and "your" for "you're".  Also, although it's still grammatically correct; I try not to substitute "no problem" for "you're welcome". I know it's probably silly these days, but that's where I'm at. (LOL)

    I'll bet this Mrs. MacFee of yours also instilled another cringe in you whenever you hear someone pronounce the word "library" as "liberry", didn't she, Hoganman?  ;)

    (...and as did my 5th grade teacher Mrs. Curry)

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