Dargo
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It's dudette, sweetie...
Sorry, GoodGuysWearBlack. I'll store this information now for future reference.
(...man...you people with these freakin' "androgynous" names around here!!!) LOL
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On the other hand, Douglas might have brought a depth and vulnerability to the role that was beyond MacMurray.
Not a bad point to bring up, as Douglas WAS always good at making even the most "flawed" characters somewhat likable.
However, in THIS case, I think the story called MORE for us to somewhat "despise" the Sheldrake character and his philandering, and not so much the idea that we should "feel" for him because of that classic cop-out, "his wife doesn't understand him".
You see, Sheldrake was just "the smoothest of the Smooth Operatators" when it came to all of the other philandering execs in C.C. Baxter's environment, and so NOPE, sorry AGAIN, Paul Douglas was NEVER the "smoothest of the Smooth Operators" in ANY of the films he was in NOR how most people remember him in film.
(...I rest my case, Your Honor!)
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Wait! "Boy coming of age AND there's a lot of alcohol around"???
Reminds me of what Annie, the Bailey's maid, says in a certain Christmas perennial:
"Kids and Music. Why do they need gin?!"
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Douglas died shortly after filming the Twilight Zone episode "The Mighty Casey".
While editing the episode, Rod Serling decided that Douglas (as a baseball manager) looked so ill and haggard that his footage was unusable, and reshot his scenes with Jack Warden.
Whether the Douglas footage still survives I don't know.
Geee, Doc...ya think Rod might've watched Paul in "Angels in the Outfield" somewhere along the line?
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The wife and I did spend 3 weeks in Italy. We went to the town of Mattera where The Passion of the Christ and King David were filmed (as well as many Italian movies). Nice trip. We stayed with her family about half of the time and I was treated like a king!
As for being a moralist; I get that. I like how the killer's family was portrayed in Cry of the City better; Yea, mom will do anything for her boy (killer Richard Conte), but dad knows his son is bad and shuns him. Dad doesn't push to hard (he has to live with mom!), but he isn't a pushover either.
Wow! The trip sounds GREAT! Love Italy....though how could anybody not, eh?!
And speakin' of Moms and their "rose-colored" vision of their sons...
As you may know, about 7 years ago now and a few years after my adopted Mom and Dad died, my wife found my birth mother up in British Columbia, and since then I've flown up to celebrate our mutual birthdays which are just one day apart on the calender. She's really a wonderful lady and thinks I'm the greatest thing since "sliced bread"!
Well, this past March while I was up there, "Ma"(I told her I couldn't call her "Mom" 'cause I already had one, but she likes that I call her that) was telling me about the problems my youngest "half-brother" was having with his latest girlfriend and his son. Afterward, I told her I'm sure things will work out and then said that old line of Joe E. Brown's, "Well, nobody's perfect,(Ma)!".
She then replied, "Well YOU are!"
I broke out laughing and told her, "Well, it's just a shame that my Mom and Dad aren't still around to set you straight about THAT, Ma!"
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Was Paul Douglas really considered for the Mr. Sheldrake role? I had never heard that. Not that I'm glad he died; but I'm glad that Fred MacMurray got the role instead. Even though he is typically associated with being an ideal father and Disney movies, he was excellent as a bad guy. I thought he was fantastic in "Double Indemnity" and in "The Apartment."
Yes, in fact Douglas was Wilder's first pick for that role, speedy.
This has been a "bone of contention" 'tween me and a few ladies around here for quite a while.
(...and I'm sure they'll chime in with their thoughts about this again as soon as they see what I've written here)
LOL
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Yes, how Cagney was delivered dead to her door was a very cruel act. As with any movie scene what I see as intent on the part of the director \ screenwriter may not have been their intent. Either way I'm sticking to my POV; The entire family DESERVED this cruel ending because this family member was himself a cruel, vicious killer who the family supported (even his older brother by the end). So I see the ending saying something like 'right back at you'!
PS: Note the difference between this ending and White Heat. In White Heat one could say Jarrett goes to his end on his own terms and that the ending and his statement 'top of the world' glamouized his life as a killer. i.e. mom would be proud of this type of ending.
So I like the hard ending of Public Enemy. From a cinema POV both endings bring a jolt with the White Heat one being very theatric.
Oh James, you're SUCH the "Moralist", ain't cha!
LOL
(...btw, welcome back to the boards...so, did you and your wife head over to Italy or somethin'?)
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As far as looks go, of course anyone would have picked Holden over Bogie, but what about the character each was playing in the film? Can any women say they would really want a man like the Holden character in Sabrina as a husband? Yea, like so many movies he appears to reform at the end but that is only a screenwriter's dream!
Sounds like you'd be in the "Paul Douglas would've made a great Mr. Sheldrake in THE APARTMENT if he hadn't died" camp, James?!
Well, sorry, once again, while I COULD always see Shirley MacLaine fallin' for Fred MacMurray, I just could never imagine her fallin' for Paul Douglas.
(...and despite some women's claims around here that they like the "Big Ol' Teddy Bear" types!!!)
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I do agree that Bogie was too old for the part, although I don't find that it hurts my enjoyment of the film.
True, but remember, almost EVERY war movie's portrayal of fighting men is done by men YEARS older than the actual soldiers doing the REAL fighting and dying.
I did find it hard to believe that Audrey would be more interested in Bogie than William Holden.
And true again. AND, the very reason I've been sayin' for YEARS now that Wilder blew it BIG TIME when he didn't cast Robert Taylor as Holden's older brother Linus in this flick!
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Did someone mention Brando?
No way in Hell should he have been cast as Sky Masterson in Guys and Dolls. Come to think of it, Brando shouldn't be in musicals, period.
Hey! Maybe SOME people LIKE listening to those nasally tones of his, dude?!!!
(...though, no, I AIN'T one of 'em!)
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I must like "House". Another of my favorites from around 1990 is "Everybody Everybody" by Black Box,] which sounds to me like latter-day disco. Ce Ce Peniston also did a couple songs I like.
Yep, that's pretty much it finance...DISCO by another name, and pretty much ONLY called that because the term "Disco" has much too much an "Old Skool" connotation to it.
(...and kinda like how nobody likes callin' their "crossover" vehicle a "station wagon" anymore!!!)
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A perfect trousers role for Sarah Jessica Parker would be Charles II of Spain, to whom she bears an uncanny resemblance.
Yeah, or maybe Seabiscuit!
(...or as the old jokes goes, "Why the long face???"...yeah, I KNOW...kinda cruel, huh...sorry) LOL
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After watching Beyond the Sea. I would recommend Kevin Spacey in a heartbeat. He has a chameleon quality (my highest praise).
Ya know Char, I too fleetingly thought of Spacey as I typed out my earlier reply to TB, as Kevin CAN do very good impressions of celebs.
(...nobody has ever done a better "Johnny Carson", especially!)
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I agree. It would be a tough role to do.
I thought Jim Carrey's performance as Andy Kaufman in MAN ON THE MOON missed the mark a bit.
Yeah, I agree. And yeah, good correlative point to make, as both bios of these two would have parallels, wouldn't they.
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Would you believe he had me convinced? I sat watching that movie, thinking, "didn't the credits say Paul Newman was in this?" Pretty bad, eh?
Hey, Dargo, speaking of Robin Hood, how do you think the 1938 film would have worked with James Cagney instead of Flynn? (As was the original plan) Personally I think it would have been better. The way it ended up you couldn't really accuse it of miscasting, but perhaps safe casting.
Okay, "Kay"! Now are you REALLY "crazyblonde" of old here???
'Cause crazyblonde said this very thing months ago, and sorry, I had to disagree with her about this, and because, first, NOBODY could have been better than Errol Flynn in that role(in my opinion, of course), and secondly, while I'll grant that Cagney was great in almost everything HE was ever in too, there's just NO way in you-know-where that the guy who specialized in the roles of "modern American STREET toughs" could have come off as a subject of King Richard the Lionhearted as well as the Tasmanian-born Flynn did.
(...and besides, Rathbone would have TOWERED over the guy!!!) LOL
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Speaking of life stories, someone should make a TV movie about Phil Hartman's life and career. I'm surprised it hasn't been done yet.
Yeah, his story might be worth filming, but can you think of any present day actors who might fit THAT bill? I can't, right off the top of my head anyway. They'd have to be an excellent comic impressionist, first and foremost.
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I didn't care much for Friends. They did a lot of stunt casting and extended episodes (gimmicks) to keep their audience-- but often, I just didn't find it funny. It was humorous-- not hilarious. Then, you have someone like Phil Hartman who made NewsRadio great, and when he died it fell apart. But those early seasons of NewsRadio were funnier than anything Friends ever did. Today NewsRadio is forgotten, and Friends lives on in endless reruns. Not fair, is it?
Hartman was indeed a very (multi)talented comic actor, TB, and probably one of the best that SNL ever featured.
(...what a shame his fate turned out to be)
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OH, and before we get to the issue of all the caucasian actors who played roles of a different race than their own here(and the subsequent can o' worms that THAT topic will inevitably cause in this baby...JUST wait and see!!! LOL)...how about the All-American Boy(and who I usually find somewhat boring) Kevin Costner donning those green tights in 1991's "Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves"???
(...now HE couldn't come of as "British" if he started spelling EVERY word in the English language with that superfluous letter 'u' they like to use over there, RIGHT???!!!)
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Okay. While I usually love Edward G. Robinson is just about anything he was ever in, I'll let Billy Crystal here tell ya how I always had a tough time figurin' out Eddie's casting in a certain religious themed movie that the ABC network shows every Easter...
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Actually, I can't recall any nasty portraits of the Italian enemy from the Hollywood product churned out during the war years (or afterward either, for that matter). Can anyone else think of any?
I can't think of one either, Tom. However, the following film(which I think is excellent but didn't do well at the box office) while not made during nor about WWII and isn't a "Hollywood movie", doesn't place the Fascist Italian government and its military in the best of light is 1981's "Lion of the Desert" starring the great Anthony Quinn as the Libyan tribal leader Omar Mukhtar and Oliver Reed as Italian General Rodolfo Graziani.
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MY guess? Well, that ain't no "mosque".
That's that old abandoned Texaco station along old Route-66 just outside of Barstow...and all that sand is coverin' up all the pumps!
(...and btw, yeah...this IS one of the best WWII movies made during that conflict in my opinion also...AND btw, nice write-up again here, Tom!)
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I picture Dargo as a Jerry Van Dyke type of guy who would work well in PALM SPRINGS WEEKEND and McLINTOCK, co starring of course a gal named Stefanie.
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HEY now, Mr.R! I'll have you know that back in my day, I could give the first male lead in that "Palm Springs Weekend" flick, Troy Donahue, a run for his money in "the looks department"!
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With this recent airing, I learned I had been mispronouncing the two actresses' names. I always said Anna Mog-nee-on-ee, but it's Anna Mon-yon-ee. LOL And I would usually say Marisa Pave-un, but it's Marisa Puh-von. LOL
At least I never had trouble saying Burt Lancaster's name!
Eeh! Don't worry about it, TB. For YEARS I (mis)pronounced Malachi Throne's first name as "Ma-la-CHI" instead of "MAL-a-ki"! LOL
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. I suppose if I had played my cards right, and if the show had come back for a 12the season, I could have been on there as the long-lost brother of Frasier and Niles. LOL
I certainly hope you know how THAT would've turned out, doncha TB?!
SURE, they could've written you in as Fraser's and Niles' "long-long brother", but THEN they probably would have had you don a pair of water skis and jump over a tank containing a you-know-what in Puget Sound just off Seattle!
(...and I think we ALL know what THAT means, don't WE?!)
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Yeah, good idea, VX! It WAS pretty funny.
But nah, it might take MORE than just ONE sentence for finance to really "sell it" in the "Vole" thread!
(...and I THINK we ALL know how adverse our Philadelphia friend here is to doin' anything like THAT, don't WE?!!!!) LOL