Dargo
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I've always thought Eric Portman...
...could have easily been Tallulah Bankhead's...
...brother.
(...and heck, they even sounded alike when they talked)
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And then on a little lighter note, here's what might be the most entertaining western ever made...
(...and the movie which dispelled the notion that Dietrich was box office poison)
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Here's a couple of good ones which where filmed right here in Sedona and which I can recommend for ya, N&N:
This 1948 sort of western/film noir hybrid, stars Dick Powell as a federal government agent sent out west to find who's behind the thefts of gold shipments.
This 1957 western builds to a terrific and surprising climax. The 2007 remake of it starring Russell Crowe and Christain Bale is also very well done.
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51 minutes ago, sagebrush said:
For me, it's usually the length of film which will delay my willingness to watch it. I get distracted easily! 😄
LOL
Who's a good boy. Who's a good boy. YOU'RE a good boy sagebrush, ahem, I mean Dug.
Btw, he's getting his own TV series on Disney+ starting in a couple of weeks.
(...just thought ya might wanna know)
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5 hours ago, Moe Howard said:
It's a "what if they went to the wrong house" deal.
Yeah, I know the ending of the movie plays out that way Moe, but I was referring to an earlier scene in it and where Charlie Manson (Damon Herriman) walks up to the house that Sharon Tate (Margot Robbie) is inside and appears to be casing the place out.
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5 hours ago, Moe Howard said:
Red Ball Jets FTW!!
Oh yeah! Red Ball Jets.
(...forgot 'bout those)
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Forgot to mention this earlier here lavender, but..
On 8/15/2021 at 7:28 AM, lavenderblue19 said:and the Jerome Moross score is a favorite. So much so that I sometimes humm parts of it.
I find myself doing this same sort'a thing too on occasion.
(...and quite often inside my helmet while on some lonely stretch of road out this way and astride one of my trusty iron steeds)
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33 minutes ago, NoShear said:
I thought of the foretelling of the Topanga Canyon creep when I first read about the "creepy little man".
If I recall correctly, Tarantino sort of recreates this or at least utilizes a take on this Sharon Tate story in his Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, doesn't he?
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3 hours ago, TomJH said:
Yup, when you're right you're right, cowboy, and here you're right. Very nice analysis, Dargo, you Big Country fan you.
By the way, when it comes to western musical scores by Jerome Moross, have you heard his score for the Alan Ladd western The Proud Rebel? It's quite outstanding, even if not quite in the league of his masterpiece for The Big Country. Take a listen. This, by the way, was Michael Curtiz's last really good film, a character driven tale, featuring Ladd and his mute son (David) working on the ranch of farm woman Olivia de Havilland while he tries to find the funds for an operation for his boy. There's a scene featuring the two Ladds regarding a dog that will have more than a few viewers shedding a tear or two. A sensitive little movie with fine performances, my favourite Ladd film after Shane.
Yep, I agree Tom. The Proud Rebel is an excellent film too, and even though as you note, not the sweeping epic that TBC is.
It's a solid "3-star" western, to be sure.
(...and thanks for the audio link here...didn't remember its score, nor remember that it was also composed by Moross)
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18 minutes ago, NoShear said:
Walking on sacred ground: I noticed you didn't joke about these, Dargo.
Why, NS! You sound as if you might have been a PF Flyers kind'a guy instead here!...
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2 hours ago, TikiSoo said:
Saw this impeccable 1928 roadster at the gas station after leaving the Capitol Theater, a 1928 movie palace in Rome NY-how fitting!
So Tiki. did you walk up to its owner and inquire anything about this car at all?
Get it?!
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And btw, and seein' as how THIS cowpoke HERE appears to be on a roll here...
12 hours ago, TomJH said:I don't know if hardcore western buffs (the ones into Wayne, Eastwood, etc.) have as high an opinion of this film as expressed by many posters here. Again, I suspect the pacifist message and relative lack of action may be a problem for them. Having said that, it's no issue for me.
This is more of a "thinking man's" western, a large part of its appeal for me, while maybe less so for some others.
...sorry Tom (yeah yeah, I know, as that first actor you mentioned here once said in that Yellow Ribbon flick, "Never apolozige, Mister. It's the sign of weakness"...BUT seein' as how I've always thought THAT kind'a thought was nothin' but a big pile of cow dung...and so as I was sayin' here, sorry
) but while I think your idea that because some people might THINK of The Big Country has some sort of "pacifist message" contained within it and thus might be the reason SOME people might consider its narrative contrary to what is "supposed of" most classic westerns, don't forget here that when the chips are down, Greg Peck's McKay was NOT adverse to throwing his fists at both Heston and Connors, and even facing down Connors with that dueling pistol in his hand.
And so, I've never thought of Peck's McKay as being a "pacifist" at all nor that this film presses such a message.
(...nope, but MORE the message that McKay was a "thinking man" and thus was smart enough to know when and where to pick his fights and/or accept the challenge to them)
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1 hour ago, NipkowDisc said:
I doan like it. obviously Burl Ives' Hennessey is the aggrieved party but the film muddies the water with connors being a low-down killer beshmirching Hennessey's case for fairness. the viewer feels cheated by diane baker never really getting her comeuppance, Heston is wasted imo and why does he resigm himself so meekly to his girl marrying mckay? mckay initially respects Hennessey and I think a better dramatic turn woulda been mckay successfully convincing Hennessey that he was now the owner of big muddy.
Heston shoulda beaten the crap out of Bickford and jean simmons beaten the crap out of baker then you woulda had a superior western.
jerome moross' best music is his theme to Lancer.
Nip, you ol' cowpuncher you, while I completely understand the concept of opinions being a subjective thing, I ALSO have to say that almost ALL your above observations which have apparently lead to this/these opinion(s) of yours about The Big Country are...well...WRONG! Yep, cowboy...WRONG! And so, lets take a look at each of them separately here:
1 hour ago, NipkowDisc said:obviously Burl Ives' Hennessey is the aggrieved party but the film muddies the water with connors being a low-down killer beshmirching Hennessey's case for fairness.
Nope, one of the things the MAKE Burl Ives' character more than just a two-dimensional one (and maybe why he won the Best Supporting Actor Oscar) is when the chips are down, he STILL shows his character believing strongly in the concept of fairness, and does this by shooting down his own lowsome son (Connors).
1 hour ago, NipkowDisc said:I like peck's mckay but his making a point of not riding the horse weakens the movie.
Nope again, as by not at first riding the bronco sets in motion the thought that McKay is a man so secure in himself, that he never feels the need to prove anything to any others.
1 hour ago, NipkowDisc said:the viewer feels cheated by diane baker never really getting her comeuppance,
So, not ending up with the man she loved (McKay) because of her childish ways AND losing her idolized father isn't "comeuppance" enough for you?!
1 hour ago, NipkowDisc said:Heston is wasted imo and why does he resigm himself so meekly to his girl marrying mckay?
Heston does almost everything a guy can do to show up Peck's McKay in the eyes of Carroll Baker, up to and including challenging McKay to a fist fight. Heston ALSO at one point grabs and almost physically assaults her in his fustrations.
1 hour ago, NipkowDisc said:mckay initially respects Hennessey and I think a better dramatic turn woulda been mckay successfully convincing Hennessey that he was now the owner of big muddy.
Uh-huh, and so THEN how would we get to the both the duel between Peck and Connors, and then the final showdown between the two patriachs in the canyon, HUH?!
1 hour ago, NipkowDisc said:Heston shoulda beaten the crap out of Bickford and jean simmons beaten the crap out of baker then you woulda had a superior western.
Heston's Steve Leech being one of those types who values loyalty above all else and even above what is right and proper (and something I've always felt YOU especially might understand) would never in a million years beat the crap out of a man he's always felt was his superior, and to say nothing about Bickford being his boss. And Jean Simmons' character being the learned woman that she was, would even think of striking the spoiled brat that Baker played, and besides something such as that making Simmons' character look less than the learned and classy woman that she was.
And finally:
1 hour ago, NipkowDisc said:jerome moross' best music is his theme to Lancer.
Sorry cowpoke, but these two music themes sound little if ANY alike. And in this I now ask you, where is the sound of that stirring string movement at the beginning of this Lancer theme?
(...and to say nothing about an almost completely different basic melody between the two, too!)
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1 hour ago, Bronxgirl48 said:
Fonda gives a tremendous performance in KLUTE. I do think she deserved that Oscar.
Ya know what sealed the deal for her, don't ya Bronxie.
Yep, that silent crying scene she did while the killer played the tape recording near the end)
(...not that she wasn't great throughout the film, mind you)
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1 hour ago, Cigarjoe cellph said:
It's more like a soap opera western, similar to Duel In The Sun.
Yeah, I suppose there are some of those aspects to the film CJ, but not nearly to the extent of Lust in the Dust's.
And besides and to this argument, I'd say the same thing could be said of Ford's Stagecoach for that matter, and which is a film that almost everyone would say would figure near the top of their top ten best westerns lists
(...and another "4-star" film by any measure)
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Noticed while checking my cable guide today that after so many years of seeing merely a 3-star rating for this western, which has been one of my favorites of this genre since I first caught on ABC's Sunday Night Movie back in the late-'60s, that said guide showed it having FOUR-stars.
Just could never understand that whole "3-star" thing it got for so many years, or why for so many years it seemed it was seldom mentioned whenever the subject of "the greatest westerns ever made" came up in conversations.
(...and besides it having one of THE greatest movie scores ever)
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5 hours ago, Bronxgirl48 said:
In his outro to KLUTE, Ben mentioned that Jane Fonda researched the role of Bree Daniels by speaking to prostitutes and getting to know their world. Then Mankiewicz tells us many women come into that profession due to early sexual abuse.
This is a sad fact that many of us already know. In my opinion we did not need to hear it from a television movie host. Just another example of inappropriate "wokeness" and social commentary that is now apparently TCM's stock in trade.
Sorry to say here Bronxie, but it seems to me as if you're now almost going out of your way to find things about Nasally Boy that feed to your dislike of him.
Yep, I also saw Ben say that after watching Klute last night too, but because I found what he said about prostitutes and in so many cases their early sexual abuse which foments their lives, was in reality and merely a statement of fact which, and even though as you brought up here might already be known by many of us, I didn't find as being a case of "inappropriate wokeness" at all.
(...like I said here, sorry my friend, but I had to get this off my chest here...yep, came THIS close to not entering this one)
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4 minutes ago, Fedya said:
Maybe she doesn't want you to get Reye's Syndrome.
Is that where your mouth grows to an enormous size, like this?...
(...oh, wait...different spelling, huh...never mind)
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11 minutes ago, txfilmfan said:
I was only 7 so I was wearing Keds...
Aaah, and so...
(...although with you only being 7 at the time, you probably don't remember this old commerical, and whereas I remember it and its jingle quite well)
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2 hours ago, txfilmfan said:
he family's first second car was a 1958 two-tone four-door Biscayne, bought in 1970 used
33 minutes ago, slaytonf said:I suppose you wore saddle shoes when you rode in it.
Tex said this was in 1970 remember, slayton. And so he was probably sportin' Huarache sandals on those feet of his instead.
And coincidentally here Tex, our family's SECOND second car (and after it being a 1953 Studebaker Champion 4-door sedan for many years) was also a two-tone turquoise and white '58 Chevy Bel Air four door hardtop (no B-pilar post) and similar to this one I found on the internet here...
Pop had run across it back in 1968 (I remember it being exactly ten years ago at the time) and brought it for my Mom as her daily driver. Its 283 small-block ran great but it needed its paint refreshened and some interior work, and so I remember them both working to make it look like new, with an Earl Scheib paint job in all its original colors, and my mom actually cut and fitted the new carpeting.
Sad ending though. After owning it for just a couple of months and after it was all fixed up, Pop had taken it to the local bowling alley one night, and when he walked out to drive home, yep, some SOB had stolen it.
(...and so then our family's THIRD second car would soon be a nice slightly used dark blue '67 VW Beetle)
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2 hours ago, NipkowDisc said:
William Castle's cameo.
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13 minutes ago, TomJH said:
I guess I live a simpler lifestyle than some of these celebs.
Here's where I spend a lot of time reading.
Well, at least YOU have a library, Tom! Betcha few around HERE can say that.
(...although I can't imagine it holdin' all that many books...kind'a small, ain't it?!)
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Mr. Gorman said:
I've seen a still of topless Babs online. There was nothing out-of-the-ordinary about her upper frontals. They looked quite nice to me even with the blurry still I saw. Remember those stills were published in an adult-themed magazine some 9 or 10 years later so the photos of her topless didn't disappear.
2 hours ago, txfilmfan said:She sued that magazine. Don't remember the outcome of the lawsuit, though.
It was thrown out of court, and with the presiding judge declaring that there were no visible means of support shown to her allegations.
(...don't ya just love these old jokes...I think this one might've belonged to Joan Rivers)
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Yep, I'd suppose that that was supposed to be Glenn Ford there Katie, and given the fact that the first two credited leads in this film were him and Gloria Grahame, and that Lee Marvin's name is way down at the bottom.
But you're right. It sure doesn't look much like Ford, does it.
In fact, I'd say it looks about as much like Ford as Chevy (Chase) does!