pturman
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Good points, misswonderly. We all (liberal & conservative) have a distorted view of reality. It's called "confirmation bias." For the first time in our country's history, electronic media is so ubiquitous as to allow all of us to have our own worldview confirmed 24/7 without any challenge to it whatsoever. And anybody else who is ignorant of the "facts" that we know to be true is easily dismissed as a misinformed moron. I personally feel this is the source of the intense polarization in our society now.
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> {quote:title=Filmgoddess wrote:}{quote}"Or don't you get PBS in your trailer park." Kyle in Hollywood
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> Wow. How offensive. I suppose that trailer park is a lot cleaner than the disgusting park that the Occupy Wall Street protesters are fouling up every day. Talk about the great unwashed. Literally
Damn right! Only REAL Americans are hygienic.
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> {quote:title=jamesjazzguitar wrote:}{quote}
> The issue is NOT freedom of speech. This is very common misunderstanding when topics like this (i.e. should a private company fire someone for activities performed OUTSIDE their job), are discussed.
Actually, James, free speech is exactly the issue. And companies DO NOT have the right to fire you for something you say. You could be a necrophiliactic member of the Ku Klux Klan indicted for child molestation & a company couldn't take any repercussions against you whatsoever unless it interfered with the performance of your job. But what they can do (& what is the standard for employment connected with the public--either in the service or broadcasting sectors) is put a "moral turpitude" clause in your contract whereby you voluntarily RELINQUISH your right to free speech, thus allowing them to take whatever corrective action they deem necessary for immorally inapropriate speech or behavior on your part.
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I especially love John's melodic counterpoint, Scottman.
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GRAND ILLUSION
Next: miles from home
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Clark Gable was in GONE WITH THE WIND with Vivien Leigh
Vivien Leigh was in STREETCAR NAMED DESIRE with Karl Malden
Karl Malden was in BABY DOLL with Carrol Baker
Carrol Baker was in GIANT with Elizabeth Taylor
Elizabeth Taylor was in CAT ON A HOT TIN ROOF with Paul Newman
Next: Freddie Bartholamew
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Ryan O'Neil was in PAPER MOON with Madeline Kahn
Madeline Kahn was in BLAZING SADDLES with Slim Pickens
Slim Pickens was in PAT GARRETT AND BILLY THE KID with Kris Kristofferson
Kris Kristofferson was in LONE STAR with Chris Cooper
Chris Cooper was in ADAPTATION with Meryl Streep
Meryll Streep was in LIONS FOR LAMBS with Tom Cruise
Tom Cruise was in COLOR OF MONEY with Paul Newman
Next: Jean Arthur
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Fact #5: Richard Beymar & Natalie Wood did not get along while making this movie. Mainly because Natalie had wanted somebody else to play Tony (can't remember who).
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> > {quote:title=pturman wrote:}{quote}My two cents on why Muni wasn't a bigger star has already been alluded to....
> Actually PT, while I think you might've touched upon a factor in this issue, your very first line above I feel somewhat undercuts your argument. You see, once again, Muni WAS a big BIG star back in his heyday, however as I and a few others here have mentioned, we feel his present almost(unfortuantely) forgotten status might be primarily due to many of his "stagey" performances in front of the camera, and style of film acting which has been somewhat out of fashion for over half a century now.
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> Ya see, perhaps those other greats you mentioned might not have had the range that you feel Muni possessed, however perhaps that "familiar" quality which you said those other greats did have with the movie going public might've also given this same public the impression over the years that they were more "natural" actors, too.
Dargo, I know he was a big star in the 30's (I didn't make that very clear in my original post). But my feeling is he's not remembered so much now because, like I said, he didn't create a screen persona like other stars of that era. Maybe you are of the opinion that he's not as big a star now because his performances were "stagey" but I'm of the opinion (as I've expressed in other threads) that acting ability & acting style is almost irrelevent in terms of stardom. So while I agree with you that his performances were "stagey," I disagree that that is the reason why he seems to be largely forgotten nowadays. And as far as his performances being stagey: His acting style was very big--a style that was obviously learned from the theatre. But I personally think he was a great actor. In my opinion he wasn't hammy because an actor with big vocal equipment & big mannerisms isn't hammy if there is an honest & truthful emotion under it. I think the same could be said for Rod Steiger. Of course, now we're getting into unquantifiable, ephemeric questions of personal taste so I can definitely understand if you disagree.
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Check out this version of FOR NO ONE. It's not as good as the original (& the original's sublime, typically British, emotional restraint) but it's close.
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John, below is some info on various documentaries about the making of The Misfits.
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> {quote:title=MontyC wrote:}{quote}Boy, I think I've got hundreds. But off the top of my head:
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> Jimmy Stewart turning around to look at Kim Novak in VERTIGO
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> Newman & Redford up on that cliff in BUTCH CASSIDY
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> William Holden's monologue to Faye Dunaway at the end of NETWORK
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> Henry Fonda balancing himself in his chair in MY DARLING CLEMENTINE
Great picks, Monty. Especially Butch & Sundance jumping off the cliff. I would also add Paul Newman on the train in THE STING playing poker with Robert Shaw ("You owe me 15 grand, pal.")
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> {quote:title=thestick wrote:}{quote}I agree that this is not Joan's best performances but I think she did the teenager angst pretty well. Her malady I think was some kind of heart deal and as far as doctors I think the family was too poor for that, at least until the dad died. I think Rebecca is my favorite Fontaine performance.
I didn't watch this whole movie, only parts, so maybe it's not fair for me to comment on it but the part I did see, I found Joan Fontaine to be totally charismatic. I hardly recognized her. Far different than the Ice Godesses she normally played. Loved her in it!!
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"Deliberate cruelty is not forgiveable!!!"
--Blanche Dubois in STREETCAR NAMED DESIRE--
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My two cents on why Muni wasn't a bigger star has already been alluded to: With his more remembered contemporaries, they basically played the same character over & over. When you went to see Cary Grant or Clark Gable or Errol Flynn or James Cagney, etc., you knew what you were getting. Because Muni had such great range, he was able to play a wide variety of parts which, while a credit to his acting ability, didn't enable him to establish a persona in the mind of the audience. A persona that other stars of the day were able to create allowing the moviegoer to feel they knew who these people were.
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{font:Arial}{color:black}Hope you don't mind if I, uh . . .GET BACK to Paul.
Here's a couple of relatively obscure songs that showcase Paul's vocal dexterity & virtuosity. One's a crooner & one's a screamer. BTW, Casablanca, what's an earworm?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4ys4auEDfY
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> {quote:title=casablancalover wrote:}{quote}Hate to break the McCartney spell momentarily, but on another thread there was much talk about Cluett in American Madness, and this song came to mind:
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> h6. Yeah, it's Boy George..
> Edited by: casablancalover on Sep 30, 2011 3:01 PM
I'm old enough to remember how big of a hit this was. :_|
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From one Paul fan to a couple of others, thanks for posting! Everybody knows who Paul McCartney is but most people don't know how great a singer he was. He could croon a tender ballad (like AND I LOVE HER or LONG & WINDING ROAD) & then turn around & shred his vocal chords in a song like this:
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> {quote:title=RainingViolets101 wrote:}{quote}I nominate CARY ELWES, he is in film after film , but noone seems to know who he is.....
I know who he is, RainingViolets. I've followed his career for years. I remember Alec Baldwin (yes, THE one & only) when he was on "Inside the Actor's Studio" saying to his quote unquote students: "Do you want to be an actor or do you want to be a famous actor? If you want to be a famous actor, there's a part of me that feels sorry for you because you're not going to get to do that much acting."
Elwes I think wanted to be an actor, not a star. That's why most people don't know who he is. There are a lot of great actors who fall into this category.
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"I believe . . .that it's the moral duty of all the men who have fought and will fight in this war to keep our mouths shut, once it's over, never again to mention it in any way. It's time we let the dead die in vein. It's never worked the other way, God knows."
--U.S. Army Staff Sgt. & WW2 Veteran J.D. Salinger (not from a movie but from his short story: LAST DAY OF THE LAST FURLOUGH)
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Theda Bara was in THE UNCHASTENED WOMAN with Dale Fuller
Dale Fuller was in TALE OF TWO CITIES with Ronald Colman
Ronald Colman was in A DOUBLE LIFE with Shelley Winters
Shelley Winters was in HARPER with Paul Newman
Next: Pat O'Brien
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GONE WITH THE WIND
Next: unrequited love
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Some people were commenting on this song on another thread . . .
From about the same time . . .
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> {quote:title=MontyC wrote:}{quote}WHY DO I ALWAYS GET Z!!!!!!!
You're onto us. We all met at Starbucks last night & hatched this conspiracy.
The fat lady is singing!
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I like him too. I like his enthusiasm because it's obvious he's a fan.