EugeniaH

James and Jonny, your #1s is mine as well - I love Bogart in *Treasure*. I also really liked him in The *Caine Mutiny*. Interesting to think of how many times he played a guy either not in his right mind or with some mental "quirk" (the aforementioned two, and *The Two Mrs. Carrolls*).

When I was watching the A&C movies this week, it made me think of other classic comedy teams and in particular The Three Stooges, who have been analyzed in depth in these forums recently. I think I like The Three Stooges a little more - at least, I laugh more at them, and again, more for their one-liners than the slapstick.

Hi Marianne, I just watched 4 A&C movies this week, in fact! *Pardon My Sarong*, *Who Done It?*, *Keep 'Em Flying* and *Ride 'Em Cowboy*. *Buck Privates* is my favorite, though.

*Yeah, good point, ugaarte. I guess that was just the "realist" in me talkin' there. * Off-topic comment to Dargo and ugaarte - that's what I love so much about the classic Twilight Zone episodes... Somehow Serling, et al. could write about these fantastic ideas like time travel and make it somehow believeable to the viewer (that is, the viewer can manage to suspend disbelief temporarily, anyway). Oh, this reminds me of something else - there is actually a Twilight Zone episode called "The Sixteen Millimeter Shrine" where Ida Lupino (so tying back to classic movies here, and eventually this thread) can't accept that she is an aging actress whose time has passed her by in the movies, and eventually she does "disappear" into one of her own films, to live the rest of her life with her main leading man, etc. (Jerome Cowan was also in this episode).

Is this the same Virginia O'Brien? Here's a shot with good ol' Groucho:

*Can you think of any incidents in which this occured? And whose decision making was the worst of all? I nominate George Raft. I'll start the ball rolling:* *George "Bad Decision Making" Raft turning down High Sierra, Maltese Falcon AND Casablanca* Hi Tom, This is a great thread, but I also think that, for example, if Raft had decided to make these pictures, they wouldn't have been the hits they were, imo. Raft is certainly no Bogart...

There's a book I read at the library that I liked a lot and I actually purchased a copy of my own: Conversations with Bette Davis, by Whitney Stine. I'm not sure if it's out of print or not - I got it 'used' on amazon. As said, I'm not a major Davis fan and there are movies of hers that I don't like, but I found this book really entertaining since she (obviously) talks about Old Hollywood. Say what you will about Davis - she was certainly a character!

Here's my question for you, BetteDavis19: How did you first get into Bette Davis, and are you 19 years old? I'm just guessing from your screen name.. Or maybe you were born in 1919??

I would love to live in one of the early movies (1920s) that had the beautiful nature scenes with the "gauzy" cinematography effect - watching those is like staring at a never-never land...

*Didn't he have some theory about using whatever means a person has to get ahead?* I haven't read Nietzsche but I think the old man reading the passage comments to Lily something in the manner of, "You have to use men!" Needless to say, she does.

> but now she uses it for her own ends, not those of others *(Fred Dobbs) Is that the lesson you got out of the movie?* Well, I think there is an element of usury on Baby Face's part, because she is sleeping with one man after the next not caring about their feelings or the consequences of the relationships, but only how she can move up the ladder and better her station in life. She is pretty ruthless through most of the movie - she sleeps with both father and son at one point. She was hardened from life with her father and after her father dies in the fire, armed with her Nietzsche lessons, she was out of there.

She wouldn't be for me either if I were a guy, but in a way her "progression" from the mill-town life on up is understood since she was prostituted by her father since the age of 14. The concept of sex for a material goal was already ingrained in her - but now she uses it for her own ends, not those of others (her father's success with his 'speakeasy'). (not condoning this behavior, of course!)

On a slightly different note, I'm sure glad that those dowdy housedresses women over 40 had to wear are now out of style. Signed, somewhat over 40 (I prefer the styles in the most recent decades)

Liar, liar, pants on fire... (thanks. )

Another memorable scene: Vance Jeffords, in a jealous rage, throws a pair of scissors at the face of Flo Burnett, the rival for her father's love, in *The Furies*. A brutal, brutal shot. Mann did not soften things at all.

Hey Dargo - Your post wasn't addressed to me but I can't resist - it's soooooo sweet!

To get some brontosaurus steaks?

Ugaarte, I agree about the Shelley Winters scene! I saw *Night of the Hunter* for the first time in the theater - kept me awake long after it ended, too. My coworker and I saw it and she had mentioned that scene before we even went (so it's a big one for her, too). The next couple of days we were singing, "Leaaaa-ning...." as a joke.

"Far as quality, well there has always been success and failure..." hamradio, you make a lot of great points in your post. While I have to say that I watch modern movies rarely and with great selectivity, I've been pleasantly surprised by what's out there. Recently on Netflix I saw a couple of movies by Kate Winslet, The Reader and Revolutionary Road, and I was pretty blown away by her acting particulary in the first movie (okay all, no jokes about all the erotic scenes, I don't mean that! ) When I see movies like The King's Speech and Helen Mirren in The Queen, it makes me happy that quality is still of concern to filmmakers. On the other hand, I work at a university and recently there was a film crew there at work on a picture that will be released at some point in the future. The entire plot revolves around the afterparty of a student's graduation. Sad, sad, sad... coming soon to a DVD dustbin near you!

James, you and I like so many of the same actresses, it's really interesting. In addition to Stanwyck, of course, I also love Lombard, Arthur, DeHavilland, and Dunne (we talked about this before, more or less). BetteDavis19, I respect Bette Davis as an actress (though she isn't my favorite), and I own DVDs of hers: All About Eve, and Deception. I also really liked her a lot in The Letter, Of Human Bondage and The Star. As an actress, to me, Davis beats Crawford. Oh sheesh, how can I forget Baby Jane??? I love this movie!! Edited by: EugeniaH on Oct 2, 2011 1:59 PM

Hi ugaarte, My hair always had natural ringlets. I don't have dimples, but our smiles are a little similar. I used to get annoyed/embarassed at all the adults fussing over me and it made me hate Shirley. I never saw any of her films in completion until "Now and Forever" sometime back because I'm a big Lombard fan. I was actually a little impressed by Shirley in this movie, she did have some acting talent. But I haven't seen any of her other movies so I reserve final judgment...

When I was a kid I was told constantly that I was the "spitting image" of Shirley Temple (as a kid).

I'm not really a collector, but I have an autographed photo of Barbara Stanwyck (it was originally for someone named 'Buddy'), and I have Hillary Clinton's autograph from when she was campaigning for President (she, I actually met).

Hi wouldbestar, I haven't seen *Colorado Territory* but your "teaser" opening line has my interest peaked. I think I'll look that one up.

*PS: If anybody out there recalls the title of the stooge "pharmacy" film mentioned below, I would appreciate a heads up. It was one of their early shorts with Curly. There may have been a recylced "shemp" version of the story, but of that I'm not sure.* Hi Thelma - I remember a short with Shemp set in a pharmacy, but not with Curly, and I'm not good at remembering the names of their shorts, unfortunately (only plots).