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He was funny in the "Veal Prince Orloff" episode of "The Mary Tyler Moore Show" where Rhoda unexpectedly shows up to Mary's dinner party with him. She didn't have room for him at the big table, so he sat at the little table by the window.
I don't have all of those episodes committed to memory, but I remember that one.

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Henry Winkler came to my former city Rochester, N.Y. to talk about seniors two weeks ago.I hope that he didn`t mention his reverse mortgage commercials.
I saw him on an episode of The Bob Newhart Show, as a jailbird. He was pretty funny.

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If I was pitchforkin' TV characters:
-Cousin Oliver from "The Brady Bunch"
-Gomer on "The Andy Griffith Show." Shut up!
Yes, yes, and ditto (your other choices are great, too; I'm just highlighting these).
Gomer, especially, gives me the creeps, but I can't put my finger on why.
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Throw in Fonzie on "Happy Days", but only from today's perspective.
Loved him when I was a first-grader... over forty years ago.

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Ooh, ooh. Now that we're talking about television, can I submit names of two television characters I'd like to pitchfork?
Schneider on "One Day at a Time" and Horseshack on "Welcome Back, Kotter".
Sorry, Tom, I just had to get it out.

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Yes, with the first kiss between Miles and Miss Giddens, knowing after the fact that Quint possessed the boy, the viewer can say that it's really Quint who is kissing her.
Also there is that wonderfully done later scene, when Miles is practically cussing out Miss Giddens, with beads of sweat on his face, and behind him is the spectre of Quint looking down and laughing evilly.
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Stevie Winwood is a great musician, and very much under-rated here in North American. He wrote that very beautiful song that most people know but cannot name who performs it: Can't Find My Way Home, by Blind Faith, led by Steve Winwood. He also was the main songwriter and inspiration behind the unique British band Traffic.
Love that song!! And I love the song "John Barleycorn" by Traffic.
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Two more characters worthy of a pitchfork:
1. Carole Lombard as Lily Garland in "Twentieth Century"
2. Charlie McCarthy in "You Can't Cheat An Honest Man" (though I guess in this case it wouldn't be a pitchfork so much as a wood chipper!)
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Also, the ending is a little ambiguous. Does anyone else think so? I'll weigh in more about that later...

Just to finish up my thoughts - DISCUSSING THE ENDING OF "THE INNOCENTS" HERE:
After the little boy, Miles, mentions the name of Peter Quint he ceases to inhabit Miles' body, and Peter's ghostly form disappears. But then Miles himself dies. Miss Giddens leans over and kisses Miles on the mouth . Then Miss Giddens looks up in a kind of shock, like something happened to her, and leans backward out of the frame. What happened? Did Peter Quint possess her? Any ideas?
(The kiss was unusally adult and creepy, in my opinion. Plus, earlier in the film, when Miss Giddens asked Miles to give her a kiss goodnight, Miles gives her a long kiss on the mouth as well.)
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All of the above are as you say, quite creepy visuals. But the one that stands out for me the most, the one that makes me feel kind of frightened when I think about it, even after the movie's over, is that fourth scene you cite, "the woman ghost in the weeds..." What makes it particularly chilling is that the figure is still there, even after Miss Giddens looks away. Usually with this kind of ghost scene, the protagonist sees a ghost , looks away, and then when they look back, the specter is gone. So there's something especially eerie about the fact that the woman dressed in black is still there, even when the governess looks away and then back again. It makes the ghost seem real; it also makes the ghost seem somehow more malevolent; she almost seems to be staring steadily at Miss Giddens. This really contributes to the uncanny atmosphere of the entire scene.
Yes, absolutely! All that you mention strikes me the same way. The ghost not only doesn't go away, it's so 'solid-looking', not ghost-like, that it gives you the impression it is making a direct threat.
Equally powerful is the very, very beginning, with Flora's singing and Miss Giddens' praying hands. I don't think I've ever been frightened by the opening credits before!
Also, the ending is a little ambiguous. Does anyone else think so? I'll weigh in more about that later...

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And it also drives home how bad that trailer is doesn't it?
Hahaha, I had forgotten all about that!
Er... YES.

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I'd like to write more about the visuals for The Innocents.
POSSIBLE SPOILERS:
1. Miss Giddens, out in the garden, sees a stone cherub. It is holding two dismembered stone hands, and a bug crawls out of its mouth. Like something out of a nightmare.
2. Miss Giddens sees a figure walking on the roof of a tower... Later, she is playing hide and seek with the children. She stands at a window, and you see a reflection of a stone statue. Then, an evil looking man walks up to the window... the man seen on the tower.
3. Near the end of the film, where you see the man who embodies the statue (I won't give more away).
4. The woman ghost in the weeds, dressed in black...
As an aside, even the creepy audio cues are good.
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Getting back to the premise of this thread, I just watched "The Innocents".
Thank you, misswonderly, for recommending it. It is a beautiful and frightening film about a woman who obtains work as a governess to two young children, and all is not as right with them as it seems.
The plot is complex, the visuals absolutely stunning: not only are the sets and locations gorgeous, but the film has many scenes of arresting and symbolic imagery.
Deborah Kerr did a superb job as Miss Giddens, as well as the actors who played Mrs. Gross, and the children.
Highly recommended!!
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I am very sorry to say that confirmed reports state that both: Justin Bieber and: Kanye West are alive and well.
Lol. Is there no justice in the world?
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Sorry, but I feel "We Are The World" is second-rate to "Do They Know It's Christmas" in every way. Bob Geldof and Midge Ure blazed the trail with their act of the heart; after that, others just jumped on the bandwagon (though certainly with good intentions).
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However, I found the continual punctuation of MacMurray's character's speech with 'Baby' in Double Indemnity jarring/corny - after this thread, a mental image of nice shiny pitchfork will no doubt find it's way into my mind's eye, at those points in the dialog...
I thought I was the only one who felt this way, limey. I may have brought it up myself here on the board a long time back but my opinion was in the minority, I think.

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Lol. I know. That poor man having to deal with the stress of pregnancy.
I love the other father in the waiting room, the father of 6 girls. The nurse comes in all excited. The man thinks: "finally a boy!" The nurse says, "no" then makes him turn around and face the nursery window. Three nurses hold up three babies.
"Nine girls!" The man says with complete disdain. Lol.
Charles Lane! Lucille Ball must have loved working with him. He was in one other episode of ILL, and he was Mr. Barnsdahl in "The Lucy Show" (but I'm sure you've known all about this for years...)

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As it was, Lewis did a great job setting up Cyndi Lauper's emotional vocals.
Strongly agree!
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After years of making fun of Michael Jackson fans for how hard they took his passing, I am getting a really fair dose of karma here.
I know I am not the only one to share this: I am surprised, and maybe even slightly embarrassed, by how hard I am taking this.
I took Michael Jackson's death pretty hard in terms of thinking about it a lot, and being in shock, and a friend of mine took David Bowie's death hard, too. I wonder if it is more about the passing of a certain cultural era? I can't speak for you, of course, but I've wondered that about myself with M.J.
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I always laugh when Ricky is pacing back and forth in the waiting room in his full voodoo regalia and as he has his back turned to the window, a nurse comes in holding towels. When Ricky turns around, still looking at the floor, the nurse sees him, freaks out, throws the towels up in the air and runs out. Ricky has no idea he scared this poor woman to death.
Or:
After Lucy goes through the apartment door on the way to the hospital, the next "chapter" opens and you see the hospital for the first time. Lucy walks in, visibly resigned, carrying her suitcase. Ricky is the one being wheeled in by the nurse, in a total state of nervous collapse, LOL...
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He also wrote "Stand Back" which was a huge hit for Stevie Nicks after Fleetwood Mac broke up. It's a great song.
Wow, really?? I love that song!!

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Lol!Oh, I quite liked her character! I found the adults more annoying than she ws.
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Well, almost immediately after Mercury's death, "Bohemian Rhapsody" again topped the British charts. It had Freddie pleading, "I don't wanna die; sometimes I wish I'd never been born at all". It also went back into the U.S. Singles charts, and made the Top 5 in the U.S.
I remember that... I love "Bohemian Rhapsody". It's such a well-constructed, emotional work of art.
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NAME A SCREEN CHARACTER YOU'D LOVE TO PITCHFORK
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Still, he sure got the chicks!