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14 minutes ago, LornaHansonForbes said:
THE THIRD MAN holds up well on multiple viewings, so if they show it again a year from now, you might like it more.
Or not. I've seen it plenty over plenty of years, and although I do like it, I like it no more than I did the last few viewings.
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Actually, as I recall it, the country( nay, the world) was shocked when it was revealed that Hudson was dying of AIDS and that he was indeed a homosexual. After all, his reputation was built on his appearance in so many "he-man" movie roles. Never seemed to me that he was "stifled" in any way as far as his career was concerned, so I don't get that statement. Any more than I get the statement that Grant too, was "stifled" due to HIS sexual orientation, which was straight according to all who knew him and family members. That he and another "he-man" actor Randolph Scott shared living quarters together meant nothing except to those who jumped to the wrong conclusions. That "fact" was even included in some books about one or the other at the time. But then too, both DAVID NIVEN and ERROL FLYNN shared a beach house together, but somehow no homosexual speculations were made about that.
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Actually, I've been taking in the multi-part "mini series" GENIUS:ARETHA on NetGeo. the last few nights. It's an interesting insight to the background and rise to fame of Detroit's "Queen of Soul" pride and joy.
CYNTHIA ERIVO as the adult Aretha does an excellent job with young SHAIA JORDAN, as the adolescent Aretha matching "chops for chops" with Erivo. And COURTNEY B. VANCE as Rev. C. L. Franklin rounds out a cast that's truly up to the task. So far, this long time Aretha fan isn't disappointed.
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Ach! The closest I ever came to meeting a "celebrity" was at a local teen dance club called The Chatterbox in '67 and chatted a bit with Robin Seymore, who then was the host of a local popular teen dance show "Swingin' Time" and came to the Chatterbox with a few local music "stars".
Nowhere NEAR anything like your good fortune.
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We are in agreement Cid. Thing is, at other times when talking about this stuff with some of the people who ARE supposed to be offended, they tell me it's no big deal to them. Like concerning GWTW and the movie not showing the true abuse and brutality of slavery. As one put it, " Hell, I knew it was all just Hollywood BS. Like Wallace Beery playing a Mexican or some Swedish guy playing Charlie Chan. Nobody then ever expected reality anyway, elsewise they'd never go to the show."
I'd be willing to suggest it's another case of seeing what you wish to. And that a very small minority of people who ever saw the movie, black OR white, would consider it "problematic".
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I remember that TV flick. Not(to me) all that impressive. Neither was the score. But can't fault Gavin for any of that.
With no extensive filmography, there still seems to be enough film, and enough variety of genre to put together a fair tribute. In more recent years, and also due to his good looks, I've heard some refer to Gavin as "the straight Rock Hudson".
Meantime, make do with this.
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1 hour ago, ElCid said:
It has not strayed that much. The original post is complaining about "politics" getting into TCM programming. Much of that relates to "revisions' or instructions of how we should consider many movies about the South and the Civil War and Westerns on TCM. That leads very easily into how Lincoln is perceived today vs. how he really was in 1858.
That kind of hints in a belief that doing your own thinking shouldn't be a consideration when forming an impression about any movie. That YOU or anyone else wishes to react and consider anything about a certain movie is fine. But, it doesn't mean I have to also. And it also doesn't mean that I'm unaware of the truth about the past when I refuse to condemn a movie that's NOT an historic tutorial that displays an inaccurate representation of any certain historical period. It then maybe might mean I should also condemn many science fiction and horror movies because they don't show the truth.
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Well sure, it goes to the "thread stray" that usually happens in message boards. As I'll point out (a-GAIN!
) The same sex law thing addresses the similarity to Stephan Douglas's apprehension that freeing the slaves might lead to white men marrying negro women to same sex marriage opposers fearing legalizing same sex marriage might actually lead to laws allowing men to marry animals like goats, sheep or whatever. You'll have to backtrack to recall who steered it all in this direction by the mention of various statues being taken down.
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I don't understand your confusion TOP. One part of Vautrin's quote had Lincoln referring to Douglas's apprehension that Lincoln's opposition to slavery and desire to end it might lead to (*gasp*!) white men marrying negro women. Which I see as tantamount to some criticisms I've heard by those who opposed legalizing same sex marriages due to their belief it might actually lead to legalizing beastiality and marriage of men to animals( sheep, dogs, you name it). I thought you were well aware of those silly arguments.
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18 hours ago, Vautrin said:
While I was at the hotel to-day, an elderly gentleman called upon me to know whether I was really in favor of producing perfect equality between the negroes and white people. While I had not proposed to myself on this occasion to say much on that subject, yet as the question was asked me, I thought I would occupy perhaps five minutes in saying something in regard to it. I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied every thing. I do not understand that because I do not want a negro woman for a slave I must necessarily want her for a wife. My understanding is that I can just let her alone. I am now in my fiftieth year, and I certainly never had a black woman for either a slave or a wife. So it seems to me quite possible for us to get along without making either slaves or wives of negroes. I will add to this that I have never seen, to my knowledge, a man, woman, or child who was in favor of producing a perfect equality, social and political, between negroes and white men... I have never had the least apprehension that I or my friends would marry negroes if there was no law to keep them from it, but as Judge Douglas and his friends seem to be in great apprehension that they might, if there were no law to keep them from it, I give him the most solemn pledge that I will to the very last stand by the law of this State, which forbids the marrying of white people with negroes. Fourth Lincoln-Douglas Debate (Charleston, 18 September 1858)
What's interesting is the parts you have in "bold" expresses the Douglas type fear some had about same sex marriage. That someday it might mean it'll be OK to have laws making it legal for some men to marry goats or other animals.
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13 hours ago, TomJH said:
So how many films made during the Depression actually depicted dance marathons?
I know of one, HARD TO HANDLE (1933), with James Cagney as a promoter of one. Allen Jenkins has the Gig Young role as the MC with running commentary including jokes (in reference to one dance couple: "Both of them were born and raised in the hill country. This is the first thing they've ever done on the level.") Two falls and you're out are the rules of this contest and as the film opens the marathon is down to the final two couples, both dragging their feet (Mary Brian is in one, Sterling Holloway in the other).
So does anyone know of any other films of the era that featured a dance marathon, or does this Warner Bros. B stand alone as the only one to reflect the craze?
May be. I can't find any info about any other movies on the subject.
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4 minutes ago, clanmacrae9 said:
So for TCM, the question going forward is must they continue to always remind us that GWTW and other films are problematic, or one day just accept that each of us gets it and move on? I'm smart enough (I think) to understand that if we could look forward 10 years inti the future, TCM if is still exists at all, will hardly resemble the TCM we know today, just as if we are being honest, TCM of today looks very different from the TCM from 10 years ago and earlier 10 years earlier than that and so on. I would like to think that it would be able to return to a more casual approach, instead of constantly being reminded that I can no longer enjoy a part of 'who I am' (TCM's own perspective per its movie into).
Hopefully at a minimum, the three staples of what I believe makes TCM what it is and has been, will remain. Show classic movies from every era of film history with an emphasis on the golden age (This is what makes TCM unique), show movies uncut/uncensored, Show movies commercial free. Additionally, provide the intros with context, history, and most importantly, fun.
My issue on this is;
It seems(to me) that since some people at TCM( and too, some viewers) feel some of these films are "problematic" for them then they think they should be "problematic" to EVERYONE. I never had any "problem" with GWTW, it neither left me thinking that slavery wasn't as bad as it was or any other such crap. And I'm willing to bet that maybe dozens of people who had no issues with the movie now do because they feel OBLIGATED to because the "experts" delivering their problems as a misguided belief as intent say so. It's kind of like that scene in MIRACLE ON 34th STREET when Alfred tells Kris Kringle that he's been seeing the store "psychologist" Sawyer for regular evaluations. Alfred, at one point says, "I didn't know that I hate my Father. But Mr. sawyer says I do, so it must be true." Or words to that effect. Anyway, it all strikes me as something like this---
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So, maybe it was just me, but yesterday morning while watching SHOW OF SHOWS('29) It seemed to me that in several scenes with FRANK FAY, that Mr. Fay did remind me somewhat of the late ROBIN WILLIAMS. Mostly I think, due to Mr. Fay's facial and speech mannerisms in the film. Best example I could find is----
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23 hours ago, Roy Cronin said:
Jimmy's script:
The only actor in town that wasn't worried
was Rin Tin Tin.
As long as he could bark,
sound was no threat to him.
For MGM and the rest of Hollywood,
there were gloomy days ahead.
Some of the biggest silent stars
spoke with thick foreign accents.
Others had a lisp
or talked through their noses.
The early microphones seemed
to exaggerate the flaws...
that silent film had hidden.
As you did point out, that was, "in Jimmy's script." which I doubt HE wrote. And....
22 hours ago, Roy Cronin said:And Frankie says this:
Broadway Melody of 1929 won
an Oscar for Best Picture that year...
and MGM was off and running
with a new formula for success.
Charles King and a line of
slightly overweight chorus girls...
were the beginning
of a new motion picture art form...
that would captivate audiences
for years to come.
Had you seen any of the very early filmed musical pieces shown yesterday morning you'd have noticed several of the chorus girls WERE slightly overweight. In early movie musicals it was pretty commonplace for many of the female dancers to be somewhat chunky. And again, I don't think Frankie was speaking "off the cuff", but like Jimmy, repeating what was scripted.
And both are actually factual statements. A lot of very good silent actors(and actresses) had their film careers go up in smoke due to their naturally unintelligible speaking voices. And as I just pointed out, a lot of early movie musical women dancers were "slightly overweight". And it's not insulting if it's true.
Sepiatone PS: Watch "Singin' In The Rain" for the voice thing.
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15 minutes ago, slaytonf said:
Spelt is an acceptable past tense and past participle of spell.
In BRITAIN, according to Webster's.
Last I looked, we're in The United States. Where we pronounce a certain word "GIRL", and not "GELL."
And by the way----
The "u" hasn't been excized from every dictionary source I've searched in. In Merriam-Webster it's "Glamour" but in the "free dictionary" it's "Glamor". And the latter spelling gets the attention of my spell-check(that red squiggly underline).
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You know, Actors and actresses and lots of others in "the biz" like giving lip service to the notion that awards like the Oscar aren't important(though they never state that opinion unless they don't win
) and I'd like it a whole lot if the membership on these boards adopted the same attitude.
A lot ACT as if they too, think the award isn't that important, but seem to never hesitate to point out that some movie either won or didn't and opine on which movie or actor SHOULD have won.
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18 hours ago, Vautrin said:
Lincoln was one canny politician. A white supremacist who freed the slaves.
Still bears explanation. Like, source of this viewpoint.
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9 hours ago, EricJ said:
70's TV movies tend to go out-of-copyright, and show up on Amazon Prime, where they're a treasure trove to dig up.
My sister remembered the 1978 TV-movie version of The Thief of Baghdad, with Peter Ustinov as the sultan and Roddy McDowell as Sabu, and refuses to watch either the 1940 classic or the 1924 Douglas Fairbanks version. I should remember to tell her it's on Prime.
Yeah, well...
My favorite made-for-TV movie from the '70's is still DUEL. Not the only one I liked, but the fave for sure.
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Well, I'd say his taking the job in the turkey SOMETIMES A GREAT NOTION('71) and then later in THE REINCARNATION OF PETER PROUD ('75) probably didn't help. Not HIS fault those flicks were horrible though. But that's how it is in "the biz".
And notice nobody included those two flicks in the " '70's classics" thread.
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13 hours ago, Vidor said:
This is a negative characterization of Potter, not Mr. Martini.
If you want to talk about problematic elements in "It's a Wonderful Life", I vote for Annie the "Mammy" housemaid.
Sorry, but Annie was never presented as a "Mammy", And as many women of color worked as maids and housekeepers in those times and even still up to these days, I don't see an African-American woman as a housekeeper in a classic movie as "problematic". After all, the movie CLAUDINE was made in the '70's.
And yes, while Potter's "garlic eaters" remark was a negative characterization of Potter, he made the remark in reference to a particular demographic of Bedford Falls. So. like others have been known to do with me, I'll assume you'd not have a problem with Potter using the word "ni**er because it would be a negative characterization of Potter, right?
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Well, I thought it was because the academy is a sucker for "feel good" fulla fluff musicals.
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I agree that the constant droning on about race and gender has taken on "chicken little" proportions, but it takes so little time out of the day, one can just tune it all out.
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Odd, but I don't seem to recall, after seeing THAT'S ENTERTAINMENT several times where Sinatra and Stewart made any comments like that. Must've been to the head at the time or whatever....
Or maybe those comments were said as dialog of their characters in some movie in which case means the OP really had no reason to complain about the actors in the first place. I dunno.
If perhaps a clip of those two saying those things that can attribute them as having been said as part of an interview can be shown, it might clear things up.
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OK sure...
I might understand the Columbus and Washington thing(to some limited degree). But LINCOLN? What's the beef with him?
And that last sentence up there bothers me because "some of their books/articles may have contained somewhat offensive language towards a certain group."
That's assuming all use of that "somewhat offensive" language was intended to offend when indeed it just may have been to illustrate how certain people (or book characters) thought and spoke in the times or instances of the writing. Like, Mark Twain's use of racist slurs to bring attention to certain characters in a few of his books wasn't because of any inherent bigotry on his part. But the characters saying those things were that bigoted.
Oh, and here in Detroit they recently changed the name of COBO HALL/CENTER and Arena because the fact that the past mayor the center was named for was racist came to light. (Albert E. Cobo/mayor of Detroit 1950-'57) Built in 1961, the center's name was changed to TCF center within the last couple years.
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) The same sex law thing addresses the similarity to Stephan Douglas's apprehension that freeing the slaves might lead to white men marrying negro women to same sex marriage opposers fearing legalizing same sex marriage might actually lead to laws allowing men to marry animals like goats, sheep or whatever. You'll have to backtrack to recall who steered it all in this direction by the mention of various statues being taken down.
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It would have to be someone tall and good lookin'. And of course, more contemporary(current) than Guy Madison, whose career ended around sometime in the '80's. So, my best choices would be...
JOHN HAMM
DYLAN McDERMOTT
And those two are also starting to get long in the tooth.
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