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Just saw a young Lewis in an old BURNS AND ALLEN SHOW episode this morning. TIKI's right. Not a lot of them left and still working. And the "newer" ones I can think of go from character work to lead roles. like------- KEN JEONG, JOHN C. McGINLEY, and REBEL WILSON. Sepiatone

Well, at least it isn't THIS Leo. ROAR!!!! Sepiatone

Heh. You forgot DABS GREER in many Rifleman episodes. RICHARD Anderson and Royal Dano as well. And WILL WRIGHT and BURT MUSTIN for both Rifleman and Griffith Sepiatone

This has no relation to the thread, but I'm nudged into finding some humor that a game show host who was big on the idea of spaying and neutering pets, like perhaps typically DOGS, had a name like BARKER! Sepiatone

Point taken. But what I'm going on about is that by now it's all "beating a dead horse". And since nobody here was THERE when these movies were made, along with Bogle and others who claim it was all done in racist motive don't consider the possibility some of it just could have been tragically misguided tribute. After all, a lot of that stuff, like Astaire wearing certain clothing and appearing in blackface probably wasn't done in an attempt to insult black people. Astaire and Kelly, along with many other white "hoofers" of the time had nothing but respect and admiration for dancers like Bill Robinson and the Nicholas brothers. And besides all that.... I never ONCE said it's wrong to condemn racism. But I do take exception to those who insist that, for example, a movie like GWTW is based in racism because it shows black people as slaves and "mammies" in a story that takes place in a time when black people WERE slaves and "mammies". in a particular place in the nation. And it's confounding that another member of these boards is arguing with me because a particular African-American actor DIDN'T play movie roles of racist stereotype African-American characters. And I'm willing to bet that if he DID play roles like that, the person's complain would be that the actor was "relegated" to playing such racially offensive roles. And in the words( as best I can remember) of an African-American acquaintance of mine.... "Why should I get all het-up about some h o n k y actor in blackface when there wasn't a big Asian "hoopla" made about white actors playing Charlie Chan? It's all under the bridge anyway." Sepiatone

And WELCOME TO THE BOARDS, MEC! Please don't let the absence of that movie on TCM keep you from joining in on the many different discussions here. And frankly..... When I think of how many times I've seen ANGELS WITH DIRTY FACES on the various "late, late show" programs for years before cable and TCM ever existed, it's absence now IS puzzling. Sepiatone

They could just do a disclaimer before the movie indicating their lack of "consent". What they're doing now is a disservice to the viewer in that it doesn't allow for them to come to their own conclusions, or think they're capable of coming to an objective one. It's almost as if TCM is trying to sway their audience into what to think or how to feel. Sepiatone

Some people need to make up their minds. That Poitier might have been "pressured" to take on non-aggressive, thuggish roles as an African-American movie character makes no sense since in his earlier acting experience was in a time that movie makers couldn't care less about how black people were represented in movies. So, HOW is Poitier playing a doctor in NO WAY OUT seen as him "acting white"? You mean you think black men couldn't be doctors back then? I'd hate to think you believe that. And given that in those days black people were trying to overcome those negative stereotypes in both movies AND real life, the less negative examples in movies was at least a foot in the door. I mean, NObody thought ALL white guys were thugs because a white guy played one in a movie, right? But somehow, back then, a BLACK guy playing a movie thug would have been seen as no big stretch to non-black movie goers. So, Poitier's "range" would have been lost to most of 'em. And as far as I know, no black people I was ever acquainted with complained about Poitier being an "Oreo" or "Tomin' " as another way to put it. Tell me please, what about Sidney's role in BLACKBOARD JUNGLE made you think he was "acting white"? Or in LILIES OF THE FIELD, or PARIS BLUES and PRESSURE POINT? WHICH movie role or roles gave you that impression? And another consideration.... Maybe those "thuggish" black man roles were never OFFERED to him, plus being a black actor in those days, he didn't have the CLOUT to DEMAND any role he wished? Sure, studio heads and producers recognized his talent, but he was STILL the "token" in that town. And too, if he HAD played several of those roles, many people today, black AND white would be complaining that, " All they ever let Poitier do was play negative stereotypes in movies. No better than black actors and actresses only playing maids and butlers in older movies. Might as well just called him SYDNEY FETCHIT!" And remember too---- When DENZEL WASHINGTON "stretched" out to play a "thuggish" role in TRAINING DAY his largely African-American fan base didn't like the idea and raised much holy hell and complaints. Chances are then that Sidney's Black fan base, had he also done "thuggish" roles might have loudly complained. But also as mentioned, in Sidney's time not keeping the fan base happy meant a possible loss in profit for the film maker, who wasn't(and still isn't) in business to grant an actor's wish fulfillment. But these days it's a bit different. Sepiatone

I had that issue from jump here too. I haven't seen many newer movies often enough to be familiar with too many of "today's" character actors. As I've mentioned earlier the last "new" movie I saw in a theater was GRAVITY and that was back in 2013. And since it mostly centered on SANDRA BULLOCK with a bit of GEORGE CLOONEY thrown in now and then, any others in the cast weren't known to me. I guess I spend too much time watching old movies on TCM to be that familiar with the Hollywood here and now. Sepiatone

What the "frig" are you talking about? You mean to say Thornhill stole the "friggin' " truck? or did you mean "FRIDGE"? Yeah, that scene always kinda bothered me too since it did seem that the pilot had plenty of time to realistically pull up. And it is kinda disappointing since earlier Hitchcock and the writers did take pains to name all the stops of a train going from Chicago to Detroit by correct geographical order heard in the background in the train station scene. Sepiatone

My problem with this comment is that it indicates a paradox in thought. For what we may really know, Poitier may have been drawn to many of his roles because they WEREN'T of "Aggressive, thuggish" black characters, which both then and now might have seemed as negative stereotypes. THEN the complaints today would be in a different light. Like it's almost as if you're complaining that Poitier's "non-aggressive, non thuggish" black characters were some kind of Hollywood deception. That the truth was that black people were the opposite of how Poitier portrayed them in his movies. It's like when Poitier's character in GUESS WHO'S COMING TO DINNER says to his character's Father, he could almost be talking to you when he says( and a favorite line in the flick)-- "You still think of yourself as a colored man. I think of myself, as a MAN!" Your "Oreo" comment seems too, to indicate a belief that all black men should be seen as all behaving identically. As in a way that white people can identify as "black behavior". Like not only do they all LOOK alike, but ACT alike as well. For shame. Sepiatone

And yet, not until now, NO mention of the late, great JERRY ORBACH? With a 49 year career of film appearances in character and some supporting roles, and a few uncredited (in "Guys and Dolls" and "Marty" for instance) and of course, his Broadway roles(ie; as Mickey Finn in "Chicago") before wrapping up his career as the beloved Det. LENNY BRISCOE in the long running LAW & ORDER series. Sepiatone

I didn't see or hear Muller make any comments about Landau hitting on his wife, but I'm willing to "bet the rent" that at what must've been Landau's age at the time, it was probably no big deal of a harmless playful flirtation by an aged man at a party. But too, I don't know if Muller's wife complained later that it bothered her, or maybe it bothered Muller more? And who knows?..... Maybe Muller's wife resembles BARBARA BAIN? Sepiatone

THAT DARN CAT ON A HOT TIN ROOF ROMAN HOLIDAY INN OF THE SIXTH HAPPINESS Sepiatone

Maybe for a retro cops & robbers "period piece" type movie---- Sepiatone

I've long thought Muller was somewhat of a schmutz, but missing that broadcast of NBNW I didn't get to hear the "skewer" you refer to. Can you relate any of it? Sepiatone

GONE WITH THE WIND AND THE LION IN WINTER WONDERLAND Sepiatone

I can't recall the title of the movie yesterday afternoon, but it dealt with a pregnant woman and her (supposedly) killer husband, but it did show many actual babies in it and since the movie was made in 1940, I supposed both that if all those babies were still alive they were in their 80's now, and then wondered, since not everyone survives for that long, how many of those WERE still living? Sepiatone

Don't know where that kid said or did that. Seemed every major city or region had a "Bozo" kiddie show, and that incident was claimed to have happened in almost everyone of them. I heard plenty talk about it, but didn't know anyone that actually SAW it happen. Maybe it was "urban legend", And that bridge in question was the Ambassador bridge across the Detroit river to Windsor, Ont. Canada where the CBC studio that Bozo show the Campfire girls went to see was broadcast from. Sepiatone

Yeah, that's my theme song! Sepiatone

IT HAPPENED ONE NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD A STREETCAR NAMED DESIRE UNDER THE ELMS IN COLD BLOOD ALLEY WHAT MAKES SAMMY RUN SILENT, RUN DEEP IMITATION OF LIFE WITH FATHER OF THE BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN SONG OF THE SOUTH PACIFIC LINER BOYS TOWN WITHOUT PITY DANG this is fun! Sepiatone

I hear ya TIKI. I can only say I've been in the background of only a couple of local TV tapings. Children's shows actually. 1. Helping my Mom wrangle the Campfire Girls troop she headed(and that my kid sister was in) when they went over the bridge to be in the gallery of the local BOZO THE CLOWN show. 2. Being part of the background crowd during the broadcast of (another Canadian trip) Robin Seymore's "Swingin' Time" teen dance show before my buddy went into the Marines. He was there too. And the only location I'd like to visit(and likely never will) is THE MUSIC BOX stairway. Sepiatone

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Take my word for it. If you haven't already, read "Youngblood Hawke" and pass on the movie. Although a very good actor, JAMES FRANCISCUS I thought, was terribly miscast. I'm not sure who, back at the time('64) would have been a better choice, but by Houk's description in the novel, I kept picturing a young JAMES ARNESS in the lead. Even then, Arness might not have had the talent(although too old by the time the movie was made) but he fit the look of Hawke better IMHO. Sepiatone

Back in the day( it being '67-'68 in this case) my buddy's Dad had a 16mm reel of one of her smokers we found in what his Dad must have thought was a good hiding place and his projector too. There were times when nobody was home, except me and him down the basement watching the movie. Sepiatone