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Using Orson Welles as an example is more sensible IF sensibly done. Look, There's no way in 1940 could ANYONE foresee how Welles would really look 40 years later. Hell, even I look heavier and balder than when I was 30, And since I WAS pretty much skinny most of those years, my being the size I am now wouldn't have been believable. And for the record.... I thought that, for the times, the make-up work to make Welles look much older was an excellent job. Same with the make-up jobs on Cotton and Sloane. And too, I've always noticed considerable girth added to Welles during his character's "elder" years. It's not only foolish, but terribly unfair to judge make-up artist's work in making an actress or actor to look older as "poorly done" simply because at the time( and now) they didn't have a magical window into the future to see how they'd actually look 30-40 or more years from then. And I added the "and now" because I've seen examples of how far off the mark that computer ageing software has been known to be. Sepiatone

Ach! Well, looks like I'm hitting my library today. Never been a fan, really. Sepiatone

Well, I thought maybe it was the PAYCHECK she got for playing the part. Sepiatone

Y'know, in another thread there was slight debate on whether Walter Matthau was too young to play a certain role. But think about it.. It may be more difficult to make a 60 is actor or actress to look and act 30 or so years younger than they really are, but then, remember this? My daughter still can't get over that the young man conducting the interview was the same guy who many years later, was the old man who set fire to the Griswold Christmas tree in "Christmas Vacation". (William Hickey). Sepiatone

Frankly, I thought Matthau in THE SUNSHINE BOYS did excellently portraying a character much older than his real age. Top notch make-up job too. And I brought this up before too.... Burns, in a Playboy interview, said he was amazed at Matthau's ability to get into the character. "No sooner than when the make-up job was done, he DID become an 80+ year old man. I even had to help him into his chair." And besides.... It's not really a matter of whether or not Matthau was old enough or too young for the role. He just needed to be a good enough ACTOR to do the part, and I thought Matthau definitely had the chops. Sepiatone

I'd say he REALLY "cooked" onscreen! Sepiatone

The bottom line in this case IS the bottom line. ie: Ronan's book might be more interesting reading to more people than Woody's book, so the publisher goes with what'll fill the coffers better. But it doesn't mean everything, or anything in the book is fact. I think there's STILL people arguing over whether or not Christine Crawford's book "Mommie Dearest" is fact or just sour grapes. Nobody can argue that THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER, although loaded with crap and sensationalized gossip, doesn't sell and sell well. Apparently there are hundreds of thousands of people who dig reading anything that they think takes celebrities "down a peg". Regardless if it's fact or fiction. Oh, and WHOM, in my generation("Boomer") doesn't feel their parents ruined their lives? Mine did, by not indulging in my every whim, and going on and on about "the depression" every time I asked for a dime! Cripes. I had to GET OUT of that situation by the time I was 19-20, get a job and MY OWN place to live, be forced to learn to pay my bills on time, develop a steady work ethic and all THEY did was offer to be there when, due to any circumstances beyond my control, I fell on hard times! I never went to college either. But, I really didn't have the grades, and even if I did, my parents couldn't afford it, and I'd likely just now be reaching the end of paying on my student loan. But, I WAS the first in my immediate family to finish high school. Sepiatone

I've always respected director Nelson for keeping his role as Mr. Ashton in the film as "uncredited". Sepiatone

I only quoted myself to point out that I don't understand why "OTTO Censor" would object to a proper name like G U I D O. Although I realize some use the name as an ethnic slur against Italians, as some use the name S T A S H U (or S t o s h) to poke a bit f fun at Poles. But, A friend of mine from grade school, Vincente Jesu, had an older brother named G u i d o, and the name has also been used by other ethnicities in Europe. Sure. But in both Reiner and Allen's cases, they went into comedy performance before moving into feature films. I remember, long before seeing him star in and also direct movies, catching Woody Allen doing stand-up on TV and shows like Ed Sullivan. And before TV production success and movies took up much of their time, both Reiner and Brooks were a team, famous for this And recall too, before success doing stand-up on The Sonny And Cher Show, and moving into making movies and frequent stints as guest host on SNL, STEVE MARTIN was on the staff of writers for The Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour. Sepiatone

And then too, some go on to their own successes, like WOODY ALLEN, CARL REINER and MEL BROOKS. (to name a few). Sepiatone

At first I wasn't sure of what you were attempting here. (still not sure, really). But, my being a LEO and after clicking on the screen shot you provided( it doesn't show up in the post on my PC) I got a kick out of it. And kudos for not making this a thread that would presume to tell us all what kind of movies we're supposed to like and be watching based on our astrological signs, like trying to say which wine goes best with which movie. Sepiatone

Other shows end like that. Eventually, there would have come a time when WALLY and THE BEAVER had to grow up and move out on their own. So, best to end the whole thing on a high note. Sepiatone

I've been spending the past week watching my DVD box of the first five seasons of NBC's SATURDAY NIGHT. I think after the fifth season there was some turnover in the writing staff. but in each show's closing credits you'll see many of the same names over and over. At times there'll be cast member's names added( considering they may have contributed something that show) and some new names that eventually get added to the "official" cast and then perhaps appear on the show in recurring characters( ie: DON NOVELLO as Father **** Sarducci.) And sometimes, depending on who the guest host is, you'll see his or her name among the writing credits. Sepiatone

Yeah. The closest we came was HAROLD AND MAUDE Good subject though, TOP. But there are a few examples of, in some "classic" movies, this sort of thing was overlooked. Like.... In NORTH BY NORTHWEST, JESSIE ROYCE LANDIS being, in real life, only eight years older than her "son" CARY GRANT. Recent birthday boy SIDNEY POITIER playing a high school student while in life was pushing 30 in BLACKBOARD JUNGLE. Or that a college graduate makes sense being portrayed by a 30 year old actor. AND having a 40 year old actor playing his father? (THE GRADUATE). And DID over 40 military officers really fight in combat missions like TOM HANKS did in SAVING PRIVATE RYAN, of JOHN WAYNE in THE LONGEST DAY? Yeah, I'd think any actor and/or producer with any sense of integrity would make age appropriate choices in their roles and casting decisions. Sepiatone

Well, I enjoyed seeing LILIES OF THE FIELD last night. I like many of the movies Poitier either starred or appeared in, but for some reason, this one tops the list. I'll try my damndest to see it whenever it gets any TV schedule, and never tire of it. Not since first seeing it on TV in 1965. Sepiatone

Really? Then if that were the case, there'd have been no need to have the visit by JOHN FIEDLER'S charactEr, would there? But there's a "Twilight Zone" moment here----- Without knowing today's schedule, I was talking about the movie LILIES OF THE FIELD yesterday, and how I'd like to get my daughter to see it! But she's spending the weekend with her "squeeze" and I don't think he has access to TCM. Sepiatone

Good question. But there's probably manifold reasons why that is. Some writers for some reason get fired... ...Or get a job offer elsewhere for more money... ... Or tired of the anonymity and the producer won't bend so they quit... ... Or some producers found it cheaper to pay for, say, three "outside" ideas than wait for good ideas to come from a "permanent" staff that gets paid their salary regardless of output. Just guessing. Sepiatone

Well, if playing a cross dresser/homosexual( or just cross dresser) makes an actor's performance brave, then look at all the brave souls in THE BOYS IN THE BAND ('70) and TO WONG FOO, THANKS FOR EVERYTHING JULIE NEWMAR( '95). And of course, any role by DIVINE, the "bravest" of them all. Sepiatone

But, we all know, "great cinema" is a matter of personal opinion and taste. Thee article seems to presume that far more "average" people "stream" than probably do. Sepiatone

I'd go with the "against type" concept because it's not only hard for many actors to get out of that trap, but it might also mean them getting out of their "comfort zone", which makes the performance brave. like; SYLVESTER STALLONE in COPLAND both MICHAEL DOUGLAS and ROBERT DUVALL in FALLING DOWN TONY CURTIS in SWEET SMELL OF SUCCESS JERRY LEWIS in KING OF COMEDY. PETER SELLERS in BEING THERE Any other choices I can make have been made already. Sepiatone

BOB NEWHART is fun in "Marker" too. Sepiatone

So, nobody liked LITTLE MISS MARKER('80)? I thought it was kinda cute. But like I stated earlier.... Matthau was an asset in any movie he was in. Sepiatone

Not familiar with those movies, or the idea of "Western noir" in general. So, are you claiming these movies follow THIS definition's guidelines? Film noir (/nwɑːr/; French: [film nwaʁ]) is a cinematic term used primarily to describe stylish Hollywood crime dramas, particularly those that emphasize cynical attitudes and sexual motivations. The 1940s and 1950s are generally regarded as the "classic period" of American film noir. Film noir of this era is associated with a low-key, black-and-white visual style that has roots in German Expressionist cinematography. Sepiatone

JOY IN THE MORNING is the only Chamberlain movie I ever saw in a theater. I was 14 and interested to see him do anything else besides Dr. Kildare. Sepiatone

I never thought AVANTI was as good as most other Lemmon solo works, but not as bad as some think it to be. But at least IMHO, much better than "Yum Yum Tree" Sepiatone