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I'm glad YOU liked the photography, Twink. To me, the copy they showed looked more like a poorly lit KINESCOPE than anything else. But then, I only was able to catch 20 or so minutes of it( sometimes LIFE gets in the way of my seeing many movies full length), so I'll have to give it another chance. As far as "noir"? Well, many people I know seem to think ALL B&W movies are "noir". Sepiatone

Actually Andy, I've heard the problem with Ford was his always trying to upstage EVERYBODY. But as we're only privy to the finished product, I have to say I've always seen Ford as a "casual" actor. Peck was mentioned, and he, too, seemed this way to me. Along with Bogart and Garfield, Ford seemed to be more "at ease" in his film roles than many others. If ya catch my drift.... Sepiatone

And Mark, another trend these days is "3D". Even older movies are being reworked and re-released in 3D. This isn't always appealing nor of any use to some people, like my daughter, who has a rare type of astigmatism that makes it impossible for her to notice the effect. Sepiatone

Here I am! To be honest, I was copping an idea from an old "Doonesbury" strip that appeared about the time "colorization" first appeared to the public. Mike Doonesbury made a comment about the proccess of colorization "comprimising" the director's "art". Zonker Harris piped up and said, "ART? I thought we were talking about MOVIES!" Consider this: Someone once claimed, "I don't know what art IS, but I know what I like." Those sloppy, mish-mashed finger paintings done by a four-year-old MIGHT be considered "art" if done by a recognized and established "artist". Communicating to the masses doesn't interest many artists. They'll take acceptance from anyone considered a serious art critic. In Detroit, there was an artist, Tyree Guynton(sic) who nailed old shoes found in the streets to an old abandoned house. Many "in the know" about art considered it "art". The people living in the neighborhood considered it an eyesore. Tyree called it "The Heidleberg Project". Many people consider "art" to be something they themselves are incapable of creating, like the "Mona Lisa", or Dali's melting clocks. Jackson Pollack became famous for doing something just about ANYBODY could do, if perhaps THEY thought about doing it first. In fact, my DAD left many a "Pollack" like work on old bedsheets used as drop cloths whenever he painted one of the rooms in our house. As for movies? I feel it's the story, combined with the cinematography that might make the difference between "art" and just a "movie". I'm leaning more on the cinematography side. At one time, "art movies" was a euphamism for "porn". So we have to be carefully more specific in these discussions. By the way, I don't mind being quoted, for good or bad, one bit. Sepiatone

There were several WHITE TOWER joints peppering the Detroit and metro area at one time. They were something like WHITE CASTLE'S. There was also a chain called TOP HAT, which were Castles without the HOLES. Just as good, but they fell by the wayside. I used to work at one of them. Lincoln Park also had a BURGER CHEF, a GOLDEN POINT, and still has the old CARTER'S building, but that became one of those HAM places recently. There are STILL "Carters" locations around, and they're still as good as they used to be. And STILL one of the only 24 hour joints. Carters burgers are about a third of a pound, served with grilled onions and ketchup and mustard, and you can get 5 for $5 in many of the locations. The only other place that sells a similar product and is still in business is MOTT'S. We also had a place called "Burgerland" which boasted it was the "Home of the BELLYBUSTER" long before we had a BURGER KING in this city. AND it was far superior. The building is now a CAMEO restaraunt, which is on the order of BIG BOYS, one of which was across the corner from it. There are still a few DALY BURGER places in the area, but not that close to where I live, and ONLY a few. I only know of IN AND OUT burgers through hearing west coasters talk about them on talk shows. Don't have any around here. The name makes me wonder just WHY they're called that. Reminds me of how WHITE CASTLE turned a negative into a positive... We used to call those little burgers "sliders" in a derogatory manner. They were called "sliders" because the joke was "they slide right through you". Now, ANY tiny burger is called a "slider", and White Castle is laughing all the way to the bank. We had other names, like "monkey meat's", "meow burgers", "bowser burgers" and "rat patties". but "sliders" was the one that stuck. Now, for some reason, I'm getting hungry. But kudos to he that cleverly changed the title to this thread! Sepiatone

I remember seeing Max in an interview discuss his dissapointment in Steven's setting the "last supper" sequence in "Story" to resemble DaVinci's painting, but otherwise feeling it was a well done project. Personally, I find it difficult NOT to enjoy anything Max has ever done. Sepiatone

If it's Fields, it's GOTTA be *fried* ! Sepiatone

So, how do you feel about "letterboxing" NOW, Fred? Sepiatone

Me too! Them burgers were pretty good, eh finance? Sepiatone

I have no one particular in mind, but someone who people wouldn't think would have much input or knowledge of classic films would be a nice surprise. Sepiatone

Yeah, Hibi, it's still on. Surprisingly, so is JERRY SPRINGER! Many of their contemporaries who used to look down their noses at them have long ago crashed and burned. Like Menken said, "Nobody ever lost money underestimating the American public". Sepiatone

Wanna know Dean's appeal? Next time you sit through yet again another showing of *Rebel Without a Cause* , notice HIS performance in comparison to the performances of the other "young" people around him. Hopper is the only other one to approach his impact. Maybe Mineo. Overacting? Maybe. Seemed to be a LOT of it in movies from that era. Nobody I knew who grew up in "Rebel's" era KNEW parents like the ones in that flick. OR attitudes. You have to put yourself in the times to properly get what some movie was about. Sepiatone

Fred, you obviously have never seen the MAURY POVICH show. One girl brings in THREE GUYS, sure that ONE of them is the "baby Daddy" of her little tyke. DNA results show that NONE of them are! One of my nephews has FIVE kids, with FOUR different women. Some of THEM have other kids from three or four others. This sort of thing goes on all the time these days. I'm no prude, but I can recall a time when people generally WAITED until they were married to have kids. Or those who got "surprised" usually married each other. Now it's a FREE FOR ALL. So, the sort of thing that happened in that movie COULD have better odds of happening than you might think! Sepiatone

Yes, I'm back. And YES, I DID wish for all to list the trends they've noticed. Like how so many Italian "mafia" movies came out after *The Godfather* . Or how many "British Invasion" rock groups-as-stars movies popped up after *A Hard Day's Night* ( the DAVE CLARK FIVE'S *Catch Us If You Can* being the only worthwile one). Did someone mention "Period Pictures"? THAT went through a sort of trend back in the '70's or so. "Rogue Cops" movies( *The French Connection, The Seven-Ups* for example). So far, although the replies are still few, nobody seems to have derailed the topic. So KEEP 'EM COMING! Sepiatone

Sounds like what JEFF FOXWORTY'S "****" would call a "fun, family film". Sepiatone

None felt, Lavender. And I agree it's a "dead horse" topic in these forums. Since we all like classic films, let's let this subject do a classic style scene and "ride off into the sunset". Sepiatone

Were there more obvious "trends" in film making AFTER the 1940's, or is it that I NOTICED them more? Like in the '50's, there was a tendency to use tons of "extras" in epic movies, or jazzier big band type music? Or in the '60's, "cool jazz" was used in many a movie score? The '60's also brought in more experimental camera techniques? Or the overuse of the harpsichord in the mid-'60's to almost the '70's? WAS it a late '60's to late '70's "trend" to use grainier film stock in many movies? Inquiring minds want to know... Sepiatone

WHOA! Take the pervebial CHILL PILL, Lavender! All *I* said was that her off screen success doesn't add up to being good co-host material. And what's WRONG with her seeing Ethel in the mirror? It's better than copping a resemblance to UNCLE LIONEL, isn't it? Ethel's face had a lot of CHARACTER. YOU probably thought I meant she looks OLD, didn't you? NOW who's the MISOGYNIST? For more information, I happen to LIKE Drew. That DOESN'T mean I think EVERYTHING she does has merit. I like BEETHOVEN'S music, but not ALL of it. I liked BOB DYLAN'S music, but not ALL of it. I like JOHN STEINBECK'S writing, but not ALL of it! And it does NOT mean that Ludwig and Bob would be good co-hosts on some XM radio musicology talk show, or that John would be a good co-host on any show that discusses books. Of course, we'll never know about THOSE, but I at least hope you get my point. Sepiatone

Twinks got it! I even found that very image on a search! MAN, was she GORGEOUS! Sepiatone

LOL! I think also that ORTHO makes something to repel and kill them off. Sepiatone

*Those Magnificent Men In their Flying Machines* *Flying Dueces* Sepiatone

As long as they don't start showing up in RO or BM costumes, I'd leave 'em be. Sepiatone

Nobody said Drew was a failure. Nobody claimed she didn't deserve respect. What they ARE claiming is that having a successful husband, new baby and respect from Steve Spielberg DOESN'T make her good co-hosting material. Just like selling a lot of records doesn't make BERNARD HERRMANN the greatest movie score composer. And isn't it obvious that if we ALL had better things to do, we wouldn't BELONG to these message boards? Sepiatone

Gotta go with the obvious: GORT The robot from LOST IN SPACE ROBBIE But also: NUMBER 5 from *Short Circuit* WALL-E Haley Joel Osmet from A.I. Sepiatone

How does one not liking Drew Barrymore as co-host make them a misogynist? And she's ALREADY seeing Ethel in the mirror. Sepiatone