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I am going to post on Lake Superior State University's "Unicorn Hunter's" website that "Baby Daddy" be added to their list of "Banished Words and Phrases"! Sepiatone Edited by: Sepiatone on Jan 28, 2013 4:21 PM

Notice that in the very earliest episodes, Mrs. Petrie's first name is pronounced "Laurie". Later on it becomes "Laura". Don't know why that is... Sepiatone

As far as I'm concerned, you could quote Langston Hughes all day! One of my favorite poets. Sepiatone

From "Wikifying" the Who, I learned this: John Entwistle and Pete Townshend were long time grammar school buddies who once formed a DIXIELAND band called THE CONFEDERATES. Pete played banjo, entwistle played French horn. One day, roger Daltrey was walking down the street and met Entwistle carrying a bass guitar over his shoulder, and asked him to join HIS band, called The Detours. Later, Entwistle suggested a second guitarist(Daltrey was the guitarist in The Detours), and Townshend was now in. Daltrey played lead guitar, Townshend was rhythm, Entwistle was bass, and a guy named Colin Dawson was the main vocalist. Later, Dawson quit, and Daltrey decided to take over the lead vocal role, and passed all guitar work over to Townshend. Still later, their original drummer left, and Keith Moon, a fan of The Detours, asked if HE could join. He obviously passed the audition. The rest is history. Apparently, the band's name changed due to another Detours on the scene. Not clear WHO came up with THE WHO, but it was stated Townshend wanted the name to be THE HAIR. So, it looks as if it WASN'T a case of Townshend hiring the others to play his music. Daltrey became the lead singer because his was probably the best voice in the band. It was also likely that the others recognized Townshend as the mind that could write tunes, and left it mostly up to HIM. It's pretty much how most of these "legendary" bands got started...a couple of buddies who play musical instruments got together and asked around about others to fill in the gaps. No "master plan". No "grand design". Dylan likely didn't hire a designated singer due to him being a solo act for so long. He simply assembled a "back-up" band to play behind him. BEFORE he got Ronnie Hawkins' old band to be his "permanent" back-up band( of course, THE BAND). Same with The Beatles. McCartney and Harrison were old friends and neighbors. They heard Lennon perform with a different band and asked him to join in with THEM. I don't know how Best entered the picture, but they wanted Ringo to be their drummer for a long time, but he was already a member of a working, successful band, and couldn't join them right away. In fact, when they started recording, their producer George Martin wanted to be rid of Best as well, and actually ANOTHER drummer, not Ringo, played drums on some early recordings. On their first LP, Ringo plays drums on all but two or three tracks. Check some of a band's early history, and you'll find many personel changes went on before the line-up you're more familiar with finally gelled. Sepiatone

Many of Burnett's parodies were hilarious. Her send-up of Nora Desmond is one of her all time best. And that lampoon "WENT WITH THE WIND" is one that never gets old for me. "I saw it in the window and couldn't resist". Sepiatone

Even though both of these fine movies have been shown on various television showcases many times over the years, and that it may be hard to believe, there are still many people who haven't yet seen either. It may be more enjoyable for them to WATCH them rather than reading all about them here. Next time, just give a simple summary review instead of telling us all about the movie. Or maybe call your threads "SPOILER ALERT!" Sepiatone

It might have helped if any of us saw the movie. It would've helped MORE if any of us HEARD of it! Sepiatone

Impressive list, Tom. Plus a topic I have never considered. I think it's just Flynn's good fortune to have had those fine composers do the work on his film's scores. I don't think Flynn had much if anything to do with it. Usually, this sort of thing is considered in a DIRECTOR/COMPOSER relationship. Good thread! Sepiatone

Although hats do have a utilitarian use, the ones discussed here were more or less just for fashion. Helping keep the head warm was a plus, but not really the intention. Like the bill on a baseball cap is designed to help keep the sun out of your eyes, but serves NO purpose when worn BACKWARDS. Unless the intention is to look stupid, or you're about to put on your catcher's mask during the game. If that's not bad enough, backwards and to ONE SIDE has been adopted, and looks even MORE stupid. UNLESS you're under five years old, and then it looks cute! But otherwise... As George Carlin once said, "Any white guy over ten years old wearing his ball cap backwards is an ABOMINATION!" Sepiatone

I think if Welles had been in this at all, he would have been better suited as Webster. Nobody would have delivered the high principaled words of Daniel Webster with eloquence better. Huston's "Scratch" gave the character the right amount of pathos the mischievious persona required. Welles might have made Scratch too heavy and incarnate in evil representation instead of the gleefully devious devil he was. Sepiatone

If there's a joke in there somewhere, I'm sorry. I do not get it. Sepiatone

EVERYBODY wears those damned caps! It's sickening. Up until the last decade or so, only OLD MEN wore them. Called 'em "golf caps". Sepiatone

Radner WHAT? Canadian or Jewish. She was born in Detroit, so that's CLOSE to Canada! Anyway, I've run into that problem of people not knowing who some celebrity from even the recent past was. Can be irritating. Also if I quote lines from classic films and nobody hearing it knows what I'm talking about. For example, when one poster said they avoid "pod people", and I would come back with "Pod-DUH!" and flourish my finger, I'd get looks of confusion. On the other hand, I like to think I have one up on them! Sepiatone

Thank you RM. I was trying to remember a good example of where a "porkpie" hat could be seen other than an old photo of Lester Young. Gene Hackman DID wear one in *The French Connection* . I don't ever recall Dck Van Dyke wearing one on his show. But he DID wear the thinner brimmed Fedora style that MAD MEN brought back to short life. I think LAUREL & HARDY made the Derby AND Bowler hats hard to take seriously, hence causing their fade. Funny that one would blame JOHN F. KENNEDY for the demise of wearing hats. The irony would be that Kennedy was the LAST president to wear a TOP HAT to an innaugaration. The hat I contribute to Sencer Tracy is seen largely in his '30's-'40's movies. And though I know it isn't true, it seemed JOHN WAYNE wore the same hat in most of his movies, doesn't it? Mention his name, I could almost visualize which hat YOU ALL see him wearing in YOUR minds! Sepiatone

Technically, the movie *Immortal Beloved* is not a movie musical, although Beethoven's great work is heard throughout. In one sequence, Beethoven( Gary Oldman in spectacular form) is shown standing onstage while the orchestra plays his Ninth Symphony. Staring into space, Ludwig has a flashback memory of running from his abusive father through the woods and ends up lying in a pond looking up at the stars while a segment of the fourth movement is played. He is shown from above with the reflection of the night stars surrounding him in the pond. The camera moves upward away from him and the stars until young Ludwig becomes indiscernable from all the other stars in the sky. Very effective shot. You'd have to watch the movie to see what I mean. Sepiatone

Yes indeedee! Sepiatone

You can add Leonard Cohen to that list. Something about him a friend of mine once said was funny..."I wonder how he sings when he wakes up?" Waits is a good songwriter/singer and a pretty good actor("Ironweed"), but I can only listen to him sing for so long before I MYSELF have to fight off the urge to clear my throat. Sepiatone

And it's worth TWO MILLION! Reminds me of when I did wedding photography. The idea was to get people smiling after finally getting it into their THICK SKULLS how to pose. Well...After getting them situated, usually a small joke helps elicit a natural looking smile. What I usually used to say was, "OK, now SMILE NICE for this picture. You want it to look good 20 years from now when your KIDS look at your wedding album and laugh at your HAIR-DO'S!" It usually did the trick. Sepiatone

As long as Tom doesn't sing. It's harsh enough hearing him TALK. Sepiatone

I'm meaning MEN'S hats. I won't go into a rendition of "ANATOLE OF PARIS" and women's hats. One of the things I like about classic film is the fashion. Especially those pinched crowned, front brim snapped down Fedora hats. Almost all men seem to wear 'em in the '30's and '40's movies. Even some into the '50's. I must admit, some of them look quite snazzy. And then some are pretty ragged. It's also clear that there were those stars from the bygone that wore them better than others. Most of them looked, well, OK. But there were some that had a certain pizzazz that set them apart. In no particular order, my nominees for the better HAT HEADS are: Spencer Tracy. Seemed to wear the same lid for many of his movies. It had a slightly higher crown than most. And with the rakish angle he wore it, seemed multi-functional. When being angry, the hat made that anger more apparent. Same with when he was happy. From either profile, that angle made him look good. James Cagney. Also a higher crown than many other's hats of the day. I liked that he wore it at no particular angle. He often repositioned it on his head in concert with the mood he was trying to project. Forward for when being assertive, back when being inquisitive, at a slight sideways angle when being jocular. Jimmy played his hat like Heifitz played the fiddle! Humphry Bogart. Wore his at some slight angle, but mostly square on his head. As to infer he was one square Joe. Victor Mature. His *Kiss Of Death* Fedora was one of the best looking ones(IMO) in movies. At least until... Hugh Marlowe and that fine specimen of haberdashery he wore in *The Day The Earth Stood Still* . Edmund Gwenn. OK, OK! He wore a HOMBURG in "34th Street". But you gotta admit, the Homburg's designer seems to have had Mr. Gwenn in mind when coming up with the style. The only actor that could look as GOOD in that style was EDWARD G. ROBINSON. Add to the Fedora those hats lately known as "NEWSIES" hats. You know, with the button on top and looks like six pieces of cloth sewn together in triangles. Never knew the correct name of that style in SPITE of my sporting one of them for the last 35 years! Henry Fonda wore one in *Grapes of Wrath* , as well as Stallone in his uncredited appearance in *Prisoner of 2nd Avenue* . Got any other hat favorites? Sepiatone

My initial intention, swithin, WAS to point out how things have changed. And yet, even today in some circles, haven't changed at all. There ARE those who still cling to those outdated notions( recall an earlier thread in which I mentioned my sister-in-law's belief in barmaids being "that" kind of woman), and just can't seem to let go. One man, for instance, is a friend of my family's. He's a bachelor. He's 44 years old. He dates quite a bit and it seems every woman he dates is a knockout. Guys in the family have gone to his place occaisionally in the morning only to catch him "in flagrante delecto"(sic) with one of his dates! Yet, in spite of these facts, all the women in the family think he's gay because...he's 44 years old, and not married. My oldest friend's wife thinks it's tragic that my daughter's have never "graced" me with grandchildren. My ex Father-in-law went to his grave convinced black people lived on a steady diet of carp and pig's feet. And so it goes... Sepiatone

My biggest complaint about "31 Days of Oscar" is that they (TCM) painted themselves in a corner. There ARE only a limited number of academy award winning movies. Stretching it out by adding movies where residual awards(make-up, screenwriting etc.) were won was OK for a while, but they eventually got to where they show movies that were simply NOMINATED for an award for such mundane things like "costume design" or "editing". I fear if they had designated an Academy Award for "catering", TCM would show THAT movie, too! Sepiatone

The info I was looking for James, was cast members and such. I realized the attitude reflected in the movie was commonplace in the real world. Usually held by those in positions to influence policies or not having to deal with the REALITIES of the current situation. In 1932, a LOT of men were out of work. Many wouldn't gripe about the wife taking on ANY job (short of the "oldest profession") to keep from getting kicked out of their houses. Only the old, well-to-do hard line RIGHT WINGERS would consider a "career girl" to be an abomination(many still do). Of course, this story line was probably right up Young's alley, her of the conservative, blind devotion to Catholicism. Of course, this was years before she would reveal her insipid hipocrasy. The affair with the married Gable, the "illegitimate" child, and the audacity after the fact to call that child, TO HER FACE, a "Walking mortal sin"! Having been raised by a single Mother in the mid-1950's, I've seen and heard too much stupidity from individuals who never realized what that position involves. They'll point to the "vows" of "better or worse" without considering that sometimes the "worse" might become a matter of life or death. I'm now married to a former Catholic, excommunicated due to her divorce from her first husband. The church felt that it was incumbent on her to keep her marriage to an abusive child molester intact! That it was SHE, in their eyes, that commited some kind of sin! Which is why I never, and she now, have had any use for the Catholic church. Yes, there actually COULD be a case for calling this thread "Does WEEKEND MARRIAGE make women look stupid?" Sepiatone

For some reason, I'm guessing Susan sarandon. Sepiatone

Last night, after mentioning a HOPE/CROSBY "road" movie that had the word "reefer" in it, TCM showed *Road to Morrocco* . THIS was the one. Since I hadn't seen it in years, the exact use was misquoted. Seeing Crosby dumping gunpowder into the pile of tobacco being used for the cigarettes, Hope asked him, "What're you doing...making REEFERS?" But all I could think about was...WHY can't I do that with LOTTERY NUMBERS? Sepiatone