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I wonder, is their "fight" slogan "Whippet OUT!"? Anyway, there seems to be a bit of confusion here...is this a thread about stars with NO onscreen sex appeal? Or about stars who never seemed to get any in their various movie roles? Sepiatone PS; I'm NOT gay, but HEY! C'mon! Grandpappy AMOS? HMMmmmm.......

I was just wondering about how "Santa Claus" came about. I've HEARD all the possible explanations. But I refer to Clement Moore's poem *T'was The Night Before Christmas* , in which our protagonist isn't CALLED "Santa Claus", but instead is referred to as "St. Nick". Seen riding a "miniature sleigh" pulled by "eight tiny reindeer". He's further described, in that iconic poem, as a "right jolly old ELF"! Fast forward to today, and any movie about him, good or bad, has him anywhere from average to tall in height, and in the range from somewhat chubby to grossly obese. With reindeer the size of quarter horses! Since there IS no "real" Santa, anyone can make him anything they want, I suppose. Like they did with vampires. But keeping him an Elf would make it easier to explain to the kiddies how he fits down the chimney. But kids largely accepted Santa and the things he does without question. I myself have to admit I didn't question many of these things until way past my believing in him. Even though I grew up in the early '50's, the house I lived in still had a coal furnace until I was five, and I still remember asking my Mom if we could douse the fire in the furnace so Santa wouldn't get burned when he came down the chimney! I don't recall her explanation for not needing to worry about it, but it must have been valid enough for my five-year-old mind. I still have a fondness for the old fella, and my wife is the Santa freak supreme. We must have about 40 Santa figurines of varying sizes distributed throughout the house. MY favorite is the one I found some years back at BIG LOT'S that was made in China. It's a flat piece of wood with Santa painted on one side. He is both pidgeon toed and CROSSEYED! Anyway, loved the posted illustrations, and if I don't get a chance later, I wish all in this forum the merriest of Christmases, or ©hannukahs, Kwanzaa's or whatever. Sepiatone

It did seem Muni had more of a passion for the stage than for movie making. John Malkovich today once claimed the same thing, once saying "making movies is stupid". But Malkovich has made so MANY over time that I think he's had a change of heart. But it's never good to bite the hand that feeds you. The HAND might not give a s***, but the PUBLIC cools off some. Like those "thespians" who make a boatload of money doing some TV show that go on interviews or talk shows saying, "I don't watch TV. I don't even OWN a television!" in a superior tone of voice. From what I've managed to read and hear about Muni, he strikes me as being somewhat in that vein. Sepiatone

It was "Hister", not "Hisler", but point taken. And I'm in agreement. I'd like to amusingly point out that while I never worried about Y2K, many took it seriously. It took until 2004 for my brother-in-law to use up all the water and canned goods he hoarded in anticipation! Sepiatone

My wife loves watching those Hallmark movie channel Christmas movies. So I often get stuck struggling through them. One piece o' crap flick they had was about a girl and a guy who agree to be each other's "dates" during the holiday season so their families would get off their backs about their love lives. The guy was Catholic and the girl was Jewish. At one point, the girl's parents, thinking the guy was also Jewish, wanted to meet his parents. So, the guy tells HIS parents he's converting for HER. In the only amusing segment in the movie, when the girl's parents show up at the guy's parents home, they had gone overboard with the decorations. A blinking star of David on top of the Christmas tree, and because the girl's brother couldn't find enough Mennorahs, had instead KWANZAA candle holders all over the house! "What? They look practically the SAME!" Outside of that, the rest of the movie was a bust. Sepiatone

I CANNOT abide DORIS DAY being on this list! From either the neck UP or DOWN, Doris was ADORABLE! Someone mentioned ED BEGLEY, and while I won't dispute his being listed, I would also like to point out something that's more connected with the discussion on another thread that's going on about Jane Fonda's resemblance to her Dad; I'm of the opinion that ED BEGLEY JR. must have been ADOPTED! Either that, or his MOTHER was strikingly TALL. NO resemblance there... Sepiatone PS: willbe, CLARK GABLE once said, on the topic of homely girls, words to the effect that "Homley girls are easier to get dates with. And GRATEFUL "!

Jeez, you've all mentioned anything I could come up with. Occaisionally, some old timer would find new life on soap operas, as did Philip Carey. But NOT as guests, but as cast members, there was AGNES MOOREHEAD (Bewitched) and TOM EWELL(Barretta). Oh, and LLOYD NOLAN in "Julia", I think it was called. PLEASE correct me if wrong! I also seem to recall CYD CHARRISE(sic) make a guest appearance on Chad Everret's "Medical Center". ESTELLE PARSONS showing up as "Roseanne's" Mother, and SHELLY WINTERS appearing occaisionally as her Grandmother. "Kung Fu" had David Carradine's father JOHN show up, as well as EDDIE ARNOLD, GARY MERRILL and JACK ELAM. Sepiatone

Lori, as a long time lover of the book, I found Muni's *The Last Angry Man* a huge disappointment. Although I don't blame Muni. I can't be sure if it was his idea, or the director's to have him play Sam Ableman WAY too laid back. But Muni was considered in his day to be an "actor's actor", much like Vincent D'Onofrio is today. So deft was he at his craft, it seems concievable he could have pulled off doing a better Elizabeth than Bette Davis. I've long been an admirer and fan. Sepiatone

Sorry, but Paul McCartney was on the AARP cover back in the 90's! But for guys, you know you're old( or getting old) when you wake up and it's your BACK that's stiff! Sepiatone

This is another of those words spelled two ways. I've seen BOTH "Hanukkah" and "Chanukkah" Have a happy one( or EIGHT), either way. Sepiatone

I can't say anything about "Redskins" as a sports team name. On the surface, it DOES have a distracting connotation. But why would the use of the word "Braves" be offensive to Native Americans? Would they rather be thought of as cowards? But the use of the word "Indians" in the case of the Cleveland team should either be dropped, or the mascot image be changed. Like John Turturro said in *Quiz Show* , "They're called 'indians' because the white guy got lost!" Sepiatone

That's right, Dothery. In spite of the sexism from both directions here, what WE percieve to be attrative or not doesn't play in real life. I suppose, without sliding off track in another direction, that while many of the actors mentioned here seem like they'd be "sexless" in relation to movie standards, there's the fact that off screen, their lives may have been pretty active in that regard. It was to my astonishment that those who knew him claimed that DON KNOTTS was quite the womanizer. After all, it could be assumed that a few of the "sexless" people mentioned were married with several children, so SOMEbody found them a turn-on. And thankfully so. One of the most attractive women I ever saw was JACK PALANCE'S daughter, and HER father was as far from a "matinee idol" as one could get! I earlier mentioned MARY ASTOR on MY "sexless" list, but I've often read that her private life was very much active in the sack. WHILE she was married! In the words of CHUCK BERRY, the TRUE "King of Rock and Roll", "It goes to show you never can tell"! Sepiatone

I'm surprised, Dargo, that Trump didn't try cashing in on the sale of "Trump Bad Hair Hats", ala Davy Crockett "Coonskin" caps! Dougie, you and your brother had to hold the "rabbit ears"? What happened, the TIN FOIL didn't work? I always wondered why some smart-azz didn't try an "un-colorizing" campaign; the REMOVING of color from old Technicolor movies? "Man, wouldn't this movie look GREAT in BLACK AND WHITE?" ( I actually thought of this while watching *The Sting* recently) Sepiatone

A little back on track here, there have been several times in the course of my life that gave way to hysteria over the end of the world. The earliest of course, was the WWIII anxieties, which saw civilization end under a forest of mushroom clouds. Followed by rampant erosion and poisoning of all life on Earth by polluted air and water. Then came the downfall of freedom by invading hoardes of communist troops. Not to be left out, bible thumpers trumpeted the "end times" at various increments claiming that, in order, the "anti Christ" was Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush. Of course, we only had to worry about W because the Y2K threat of global disintergration turned out to be a bust. Since a huge surge of interest in Nostradamus in the mid 1970's, all "experts" on the man claimed that his quatrains indicated that all would end in 1999. Since THAT didn't come to fruition, we of late had to hear about the "lost books" of Nostradamus. Some people just can't give up. NOW we're seeing doofuses gear up with survival training, stockpiling weapons and food in anticipation of the Mayan calendar prediction of all coming to an end in 11 days! That these goofballs would put their faith in the same people who used human sacrifice to appease the gods in hopes it would bring good fortune to intelligently predict the end of the world amuses me no end. Well, if THAT prediction fails to pan out, I sit here anxiously waiting to see what NEW apocalyptic frenzy hits the airwaves. Sepiatone Edited by: Sepiatone on Dec 10, 2012 5:15 PM

So long as we're straight on that, Valentine. I've never let Jane's resemblance to Papa distract me from her "hotness". Speaking of Father/Daughter resemblances, while watching a DVD of "WEEDS", I've noticed Jennifer Jason Leigh's getting to look a lot like Daddy Vic Morrow, and NOT in a good way! Sepiatone

Bing "Sominex" Crosby! LOVE it! Sepiatone

Yes, I do, Top. And I wouldn't be aware of any books about long gone movie stars being available from any other source. And most of the stores in my area don't sell DVDs of the movies offered by TCM. Or if they do, I'd have to dig through countless discs of BATMAN, HANGOVER or TWIGHLIGHT discs to ferret them out. I don't have time for that. I'm too busy writing useless CRAP on internet message boards! Sepiatone

Don't know what YOU'RE looking at, Valentine. But Jane Fonda retains many of her father's facial features...shape of face, eyes, expression, Especially as she got older. Just as MY oldest daughter resembles me more than she does her mother. Just as several of my nieces resemble THEIR fathers. Now, from the neck DOWN, all bets are off! We "straight" males are all too glad that in that respect, Jane likely takes after MOM. Sepiatone Edited by: Sepiatone on Dec 9, 2012 5:02 PM

How about just the piano that "Sam" pushed around and sat in front of? Dooley Wilson couldn't play. Sepiatone

You'd better scratch MATURE off that list, lest my Mother's ghost comes to haunt you to your GRAVE!! Sepiatone

As a man, I'm hard put to decipher the sexual attraction some women either find, or DON'T find in certain actors. So, I asked my wife. Her opinion of old time actors that weren't physically(by either body or face) attractive are: JAMES CAGNEY RALPH BELLAMY BOB HOPE BING CROSBY MONTGOMERY CLIFT ROBERT MONTGOMERY ROBERT YOUNG JOSEPH COTTON FREDERIC MARCH SPENCER TRACEY GEORGE SANDERS(Saunders?) DAVID NIVEN LAURENCE OLIVIER GEORGE RAFT WARREN WILLIAM (Just KIDDING, willbe! She said she used to have a crush on him. At least until she laid eyes on GILBERT ROLAND) As for the ladies? In MY opinion, you can add to the list with Kate Hepburn: JUNE ALLYSON BETTE DAVIS MARY ASTOR BARBARA STANWYCK( YES! I SAID it!) Sepiatone

I "Wikified" Ms. Walker, and it does mention her being married twice, but only mentions her second husband's name. A theater director named DAVID CRAIG. And say! Doesn't Slim Pickens, in the posted old photo, bear a resemblance to BOB DENVER? Sepiatone

Agreed, finance. Sepiatone

Wasn't rooney once married to Ava gardner? I think it's fun to imagine the logistics of that. Sepiatone

My money, BFSR, was on both her marrying Ted Turner AND the "tomahawk chop". That gesture seemed a mindless insult to Native American heritage(like the American activity called 'Chinese fire drill'), a cause close to the liberal heart. It's not a matter of "political correctness" as much as "social correctness". It would be akin to using a racial slur. And the ceasing of using racial slurs was generally a liberal issue. One of the few "liberal" issues that's hard to argue against. And marrying Ted Turner? Another money-grubbing, "boosh-whah' running dog lackey of the capitalist pigs? TRULY appalling to a "true" liberal! Sepiatone