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22 hours ago, TopBilled said:
You already quoted me and disagreed with me on March 12 in this thread.
At my age that's still too recent for me to recall.
But it'll come back to me 20 years from now. 
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20 hours ago, slaytonf said:
It's Fozzy Bear who's Big Daddy.
Fozzy would do better as Cooper.
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I felt embarrassed for Cornel Wilde for this one.
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I thought maybe the phrase might have referred to police procedurals.
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On 3/6/2021 at 2:31 PM, TopBilled said:
THE GODFATHER is definitely not on any of my lists as I think it presents Italian-Americans in a very stereotypical way.
Only Italian-Americans that are in "the mob" are treated stereotypically. But as neither one of us were around when the story takes place, we can't really say for sure, eh?
And the Italian-Americans I know loved both 1 and II.
Some of my choices would include--- (in no particular order)
ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO'S NEST
CLOSE ENCOUNTERS( etc.)
ROCKY (the only one of the franchise that should have been made)
THE STING
APOCALYPSE NOW
KRAMER vs. KRAMER
THE OUTLAW JOSEY WALES
ALIEN
AN UNMARRIED WOMAN
THE FRENCH CONNECTION
THE CHINA SYNDROME
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Well, see? There ARE some things we can get "eye to eye" on. Though I've never read Tarkington's book, nor the novel "Suspicion" came from, I didn't like their endings either. For how George was portrayed in the film, I didn't think his long awaited "comeuppance" was as severe as I hoped for( Personally, I'd have taken a 2x4 to his skull years earlier.
) And after all she'd been through, I thought Fontaine's character in "Suspicion" recovered and forgave too quickly.
As an aside, I heard this tune on cable's "Music Choice" jazz channel and thought too bad Hitch didn't wait till years later and could have used this tune as the movie's theme!
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15 hours ago, slaytonf said:
A muppet version. Guess the cast.
Well, Miss Piggy as Maggie, Kermit(of course) as Brick. Maybe Cookie Monster as Big Daddy, Him or Oscar, I'm not sure.
Need a bit more thought.
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15 hours ago, slaytonf said:
Apropos of all-black casts, I saw Pearl Bailey and Cab Calloway in Hello, Dolly! in her roadshow. Even though I was way too young to fully appreciate it, I was still blown away by her performance. I can't imagine anyone doing as good in the role.
You'd have to like that musical to begin with to feel anyone was any good in it. Since I could never stand it(beyond Satchmo's version of the song
) Who's in it doesn't matter to me.
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22 hours ago, TopBilled said:
I would not. I'd prefer it to end with Tom running off. It should have a bleak ending, in tune with the bleak ending that Steinbeck devised...even if the production code prevented the filming of the last part of the book.
Of course in the post-code era this could easily be remade as a miniseries for Netflix with Steinbeck's ideas completely intact.
Your only complaint would be not having a bleak ending to the movie, and actually Ford could have filmed Steinbeck's ending up to a point as the last chapter had all whichever menfolk left fighting a rising flood with other men using whatever shovels are available. Finally ending up in an old abandoned barn on higher ground. THAT was when they encountered the starving man and the full breasted Rose of Sharon, after delivering her stillborn baby, was silently urged by Ma to feed him, which could have been left out after the family entered the barn. You'd still have your bleak ending and a more faithful adherence to Steinbeck's material.
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33 minutes ago, Moe Howard said:
"Storm’s longtime friend and business partner Harvey Robbins was at Storm’s home when she died, as were a nurse and Las Vegas burlesque performers Kalani Kokonuts and Miss Redd.
In 1973, Storm shared a tour with the Joe Walsh-fronted rock band the James Gang that included a stop at New York’s Carnegie Hall. “That was the greatest,” she said later. “What a thrill.”
You might be thinking of 1971 'cause by '73 Walsh was no longer with the band. In '71 The James Gang released a live album of their Carnegie Hall concert.
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12 hours ago, Moe Howard said:
This is one I can't wait to not see.
I'll wait for the all Hispanic cast version or the all gay or Transgender remake.
Can't wait to see how the latter two handle the Brick character.
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Due to it being a long time personal favorite and it's utilization of what(at the time) were groundbreaking special effects, and a top notch score by Stothart and Arlen with a highly skilled and talented cast at their best I thought THE WIZARD OF OZ did deserve the "Best Picture" statuette as well as the movie's score. Or at least, the SCORE should have won over the score for GWTW, which was (to me) basically ambient mundane and largely schmaltz. More to the point; Musical sorghum.
All the other choices are good 'uns, as far as my being familiar with most '30's movies go. After all, I haven't seen every movie from that decade.
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Not trying to make assumptions here, but would a black cast and black audience accept the idea of Brick being on the "downlow"?
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30 minutes ago, TopBilled said:
What are you hoping to accomplish by taking this kind of swipe? Do you want the thread to be locked?
You erroneously accused me of not letting you "voice"( an odd word for this type of communication medium, but most of us do that sort of thing here) your opinion, especially AFTER said opinion was stated. All I did was disagree with it. Is THAT what you consider "bullying"? Hmm... You must get "bullied" a lot then. I even stated we could"agree to disagree" and THAT wasn't good enough for you. Look....
Neither one of our opinions are "correct" or "incorrect". It's just what we think or feel about something. And your teaching a class really doesn't make anything more important than anyone else's thoughts. And at the risk of appearing more as a "bully"....
For the times the movie was made and released, I don't think Ma Joad's speech about men living by "jerks" and about "the people" was corny at all. Maybe in this day and age, but remember the movie wasn't MADE in this day and age, nor did the story take place these days too. Your not showing the full movie, regardless of the kind of people you're showing it to is cherry picking historical fact to make it fit your sensitivities, or hoodwink that class into forming your opinion as theirs.
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22 hours ago, TopBilled said:
Actually it's part of a pattern that you seem to have, where you can't let me voice an opinion that you don't share. So then you lapse into borderline bullying. You've done it many times on different threads and today I decided to stand up to it.
Well I apologize for not realizing this was your own personal thread and I couldn't voice my opinion too.
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Y'know, since getting my new specs I'm catching up on my annual "re-reads". I'm currently 2/3s through Gary Paulsen's WINTERDANCE.
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10 minutes ago, Sepiatone said:
Apology accepted!
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Was just yankin' the chain there a bit TB. Relax.
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17 hours ago, kingrat said:
Hm. I like it a lot, but why is The Day of the Jackal an English film?
Maybe because except for director Fred Zinnemann it was mostly a British cast and produced movie based on a novel by a British novelist Frederick Forsyth?
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Apology accepted!
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With me, Jim's list is OK except I'd put either ELMER GANTRY or INHERIT THE WIND for '60's best picture, and IN COLD BLOOD for '67's best.
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21 hours ago, TopBilled said:
I don't think the final scene is brilliant. I think it's very subpar. They lose me with the last scene. It's overly sentimental, very contrived and just goes against the tone of the story and the whole film up to that point.
They didn't have to film the last part of Steinbeck's novel if it was going to cause problems with the production code office.
I would have just ended it with Tom leaving, on the run. We did not need to see Ma philosophizing in the truck.
The production code office was not against bleak, ambiguous or unhappy endings. But the studio felt it would increase box office to have an uplifting ending and that just doesn't fit this story.
When I have shown this movie to some of my classes, I deliberately stop it before the last scene and don't show the last scene to my students because it doesn't ring true to me and I feel it does an incredible disservice to Steinbeck as a writer. He was not telling the story of the Waltons with the Joad family.
I can appreciate that some like the schmaltzy sugarcoated ending. But I do not, and hopefully others will appreciate my point of view.
We'll just have to agree to disagree. As the novel doesn't end with Tom's departure and the novel's ending couldn't be used, I thought Johnson's ending succinct and clear in leaving the audience with a sense of who the Joads really were(Ma at least) and how they might wind up, and somewhat uplifting in the mention of the perseverance of "the people". And that "men live by jerks" speech seemed "Steinbeck-like" to me.
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So.....
I take it maybe you're NOT familiar with the old joke.....?
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12 hours ago, Vautrin said:
I can't speak for other's experiences, but I've never had any trouble with the fourth.
Well, if FOUR doesn't get the taste out of your mouth....
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Revised ending nonwithstanding, I feel TGOW was brilliant to the end. That a Hollywood movie production wasn't faithful to the source material(Steinbeck's novel in this case) was and still is par for the course in the movie biz, But of course, if the original book ending was used, it would have been a very interesting challenge for Ford to shoot.
And really, not until the '70's would any film maker be able to put it down on film.
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But it'll come back to me 20 years from now. 
Can't wait to see how the latter two handle the Brick character. 
More Nolte: In His Opinion: What Should’ve Won the Best Picture Oscar – 1980 to 1989
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Man! I LOVE that movie! My old VHS of it went AWOL and I'm still looking to replace it. To be "truly alive"? Yep. And too, that freedom isn't really free, and hero worship can be hard for both the worshiper and the hero being worshiped.
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