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Of course, the right has for years griped about Hollywood and the entertainment business in general being a "haven" for extreme "liberalism". And I'll agree that the "biz" has usually been on the left of many social and political issues, which makes it ridiculous to me that recently the Academy, also an entertainment "entity" has been accused of racism. All because there weren't enough Oscar nominations going to enough African-American actors, actresses and film makers. When actually, it was most likely due to the fact that not enough African-American actors, actresses and film makers turned in enough Oscar worthy work. Sepiatone

I'm sure the word Lisa used was "sinister" instead of suspicious. But I understand. I too, am not sure of the verbatim words, but in NORTH BY NORTHWEST Grant's Thornhill tells G-man Leo G. Carroll , "I have a Mother, two ex wives and several bartenders dependent on me." Sepiatone

It took me a few to realize you meant HAROLD LOCKWOOD died of Spanish INFLUENZA! Oh, and along with SAL MINEO, add (mostly TV star) BOB CRANE, who also was the victim of also an unsolved murder. And too, I'll throw in RITA HAYWORTH for good measure. I recall near the end of her life reading newspaper gossip columnists wringing their hands over "Miss Hayworth's sad surrender to alcoholism to where she's often seen wandering the streets of New York City looking disheveled and babbling incoherently...." when finally, after years of such press it was determined she suffered from a then not too familiar malady called ALZHEIMER'S. disease. Sepiatone

I feel he unjustly lumped too many in the same category. Not all "glorified" the lost cause, but simply(in the case of GWTW) displayed an exagerrated example of what the lifestyle of the "privileged " class was like. To say any film "glorified" any of that is to insinuate that the film makers endorsed any of it., which of course, they didn't. It seemed to me Mr. Hulbert gave creedence to something that didn't really happen. Like all the talk about "white saviors" in movies. Like in AMISTAD, claiming it too gave into the "white savior" narrative. But having seen the movie, I ask you... What were the chances of any of the slaves getting any legal assistance from any attorneys who WEREN'T white in 1840? And too, weren't many of the "stops" on the "underground railroad" the homes and farms of whites who also had abolishionist leanings? How does any accurate depiction of these FACTS somehow become negative? I came away with the feeling that Prof. Hulbert was too immersed in undeserved white guilt to objectively look at the subjects on hand. Sepiatone

Dunno..... In "classic" movie terms you can't get much more tragic than... And too, seemed to run in the family, eh? Sepiatone

Far as I know, these didn't become very popular outside of being heard in the movie. And IMHO this is the better of the two. Sepiatone

Surely a big WELCOME TO THE BOARDS to you, Rita! Can't wait to read other thoughts you have on movies too. And VIDOR---- Their job is to educate viewers about( as Rita said) the inside dope on the movies they show. And maybe any "controversy" that cropped up back when the movie was released or some such stuff. NOT what some people allowed themselves to be bothered by SIXTY to SEVENTY YEARS after the movie came out. Sepiatone

And I'll take this opportunity to mention the channel C-SPAN3 (aka The American History channel) is showing a program about "Slavery In Cinema" @ 6:00pm this evening. Why not view another take on this topic? I really don't know what it's all about though. Sepiatone

I'll go along with that. And mostly because I don't believe all slave owners were alike. Oh, now don't anyone fly off the handle and think I'm giving slavery a "pass". The institution itself was no less than an abomination. But as I did mention earlier, slave owners did consider their slaves as property or(in some cases) "livestock" , which makes no sense to continually brutalize which would lessen their "value" as a commodity, which slaves were also considered. After all, not all slave traders were those who brought them in by the boatload. Many slave traders were selling what could be considered( and disgustingly) "home grown" goods. And NOBODY was going to pay top dollar for a starved and battered slave. Sepiatone

How about DANCES WITH WOLVES in which Kevin Costner fooled a lot of people into thinking he was an actor and director? Even the Academy. Sepiatone

Well, I'm not sure how much some of them "matter" to me, but there's some I enjoyed that others either didn't or have even heard of. One I'll mention is THE IMPOSTORS('98) with Stanley Tucci and Oliver Platt and written/produced/directed by Tucci. A sort of "comedy of errors" flick that I thought was likable and amusing. Sepiatone

I'd more say I didn't agree with 60%. And too, I'm a bit tired of hearing and reading about "woke" this and that. What's that supposed to mean, anyway? Seems to me it means something different to each different person who parrots that term. And that's basically what's going on here. Some wonks on TCM give what's basically their own personal opinions and mask them as "insightful observations" and some people who watch and listen to their tripe think that because those people are on television and are considered "experts" of something, they'll come in here fully "pod-like" and parrot what the gathering of hosts said and treat it like chiseled in stone gospel. Personally, I think TCM should get out of the "tell 'em what and how to think" business and get back to the business of showing movies. Or, if they feel they HAVE to "educate" us dumb masses, do it on Saturday and Sunday mornings when other cable stations broadcast E/I programming. Sepiatone

I really don't know. I've always known her to be Sister Lena, And my stepfather's older sister(by how much I'm not sure) since he and my Mom married in '58. We Protestants make no distinctions between nuns and sisters. They're ALL "sisters" to us. Sepiatone

This just confuses me more about Sister Lena. She did spend years a a teacher and eventual principal at St. Alphonsus school in Melvindale, MI, but too, did also live in what one would categorize as "abject poverty". Eventually achieving the position of "Mother Superior". Sepiatone

Yeah, I never got into that "baby killer" and other dissing nonsense. Had to consider that roughly 90% or more of the guys fighting over there were drafted and really waned no part of anything going on. And that the My Lai incident was not a commonplace occurrence And not all soldiers serving there took place in anything like that. Sepiatone

Not sure of the distinction, but my not being Catholic , I'll have to defer. I only know that my long Catholic wife always referred to nuns as "sister", and my Catholic stepfather's nun older sister was known to us as "Sister" Lena. (and in the order as "Sister" Joseph Cecile).

I do remember back then when a few of us were griping about it and someone brought up(and he was a Nixon supporter by the way) , "Our president's great plan for face saving withdrawal from Viet Nam." To which another in the group quickly quipped, --- "Withdrawal was something Nixon's Father should have considered 60 years ago!" Sepiatone

And maybe AARP would object to the OLDsmobile line claiming they can appeal to young people as well. Sepiatone

While I can't fathom why it took so many years for the U.S. military to afford the same rights and recognition to Viet Nam vets as they did the veterans of earlier wars, to grant them a "special" veterans day, without also designating a Korean war veterans day and with there still being some survivors, a WWII veteran's day is puzzling. I figured Viet Nam vets were already covered by Veteran's Day anyway. So no special day is really needed. Sepiatone

And the play and subsequent film "Educating Rita" is another. But I'd be interested to see a film treatment of the ancient mythology. You know, as the people in the old tale might have looked then. Sepiatone

I can imagine it would. And another query..... and connected to the Jeep Cherokee mess..... If General motors was still producing it's PONTIAC line, would their be a similar brou-ha about them using the venerable chief's name without permission from the Ottawa tribe? Then there's the city of PONTIAC, MI, but I don't think the tribe will insist that name be changed. Sepiatone

Nuns can wear make up, but not to such a heavy degree as in that Meagan Fox photo. But then, we're NOT discussing tutorials or documentaries here, right? Sepiatone

Y'know, long before me and other kids my age ever heard the word"racism" or even knew what that meant, the "double standard" of our similar behaviors was pointed out in one of our favorite movies at the time, JIM THORPE ALL AMERICAN (which was made when most of our group was born ). When, in college, a native American roomie of his asked, perplexed by what he reads in his American history textbook, "How come when the white men win a battle against the Indians it's called a "victory", but when the Indians win it's called a "massacre"? " For THE SEARCHERS to be truly "racist" we have to assume; NO tribe of Native Americans on this continent ever behaved in the manner depicted in the movie. No white women or children were ever abducted by any Native American tribe. No Native American tribe ever attacked and slain any white settlers encroaching on their presumed lands. And then there's the way Native Americans are depicted in the reaction to white settlers moving into what were essentially considered (and presumably) their exclusive property? But in later times, similar attitudes of white men when black people started moving into what white people presumed was their exclusive property was an OK response. Sepiatone

My Dad(who was really my stepfather) had an older sister who was a nun( in her case then, twice a sister ) She of course looked nothing like Sophia Loren, but had a robust, outgoing manner and a lively sense of humor that went against what most people think a nun's demeanor is. My Dad, also of robust manner was always (and uncharacteristically) demure and anxious in her presence when she came over for a visit. Of course, I attributed it to his Catholic upbringing and young education by nuns in Catholic parochial school. She even remarked on this during one visit. She told him, " Oh, just relax and quit being so nervous George. There's nothing to be afraid of. I didn't bring my steel ruler." Yep. Lively sense of humor. Sepiatone

I see. However, the song suggested to me that Higgins wonders why women can't THINK more like men. Oh, "A Hymn To Him" ? That's the name of that tune? Never knew that. But reading it here immediately brought THIS to mind -------- Go ahead. Take the time. You won't be disappointed Sepiatone