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Wow Tom, I thought we were friends. You wrote:"*John Garfield murdering (well, what else do you expect of a tough guy?) The Blues in the Night, and showing the world once and for all why he would never sing on screen again."* I thought he had a beautiful singing voice! (Now if people think I am serious, I got some prime "swamp land" over here in Oregon, I would be willing to give up for a song!) I did think his little bit was cute, and I loved the beginning when he roughed up Cantor. I tried to watch the entire movie, but after awhile I couldn't stay awake. and I just wasn't "getting into" all the Joan Leslie and Dennis Morgan numbers. So I missed Flynn's little bit. I will look it up though on YouTube. I am sure it is there, since John Garfield's "wonderful and amazing" piece is there! (Just teasing a little again.) Thanks Lori

Swithin, you made me laugh with your comment. Sorry though no political discussions. Oh darn, can't have any fun anymore. In fairness to TCM there is some representation from the "other side" and I personally really like the scheduling for the month of September. Lori3

Thanks clore, but I will pass on the google search. You gave me enough info. Lori3

clore or Tom. What was the offically cause of Flynn's death? Liver failure or heart attack? Didn't they have alcohol / drug rehab facilities back then? When I was a young nurse and I cared for alcoholics I used to say to myself, "Why don't you just quit!" Then when I grew up and saw some of my friends struggle with the disease of addiction I realized I is very hard to quit an addiction. Lori

Tom, you said it, not me. While I believe that Warner Bros didn't always know what to do with some of their stars, they sure did have some great ones under contact during the Golden Age. I think to that Warner Bros was also referred to as the "working man's" studio, if I am not mistaken. Lori

Hi ginnyfan. Good for you! I will stop by and check it out a little later on tonight. You can count me in as a member. Lori

Tom, I caught most of Rocky Mountain today and I thought Flynn was excellent in it. Of course I have always enjoyed his performances in his films. I agree he could have very easily made the transfer to the film noir genre. What a shame that he suffered from the disease of addiction to alcohol. He was one of a kind for sure, and a true actor and film star legend. Lori

The movie that comes to my mind when amusement parks and carousels are mentioned is: Strangers on a Train, 1951. Robert Walker in one of his best performances, and the end scene with the carousel going out of control is great! They don't make them like that anymore! IMHO Lori3

Filmgoddess you stated a well known piece of gossip that is all and in a rather distasteful way.Unless someone taped the minute Mr.Garfield died I don't know how you can say it is a well known fact. Did you think I was serious in asking you to sign my petition? LOL Thanks I needed a good laugh today. Oh, thanks for the lesson, and for making the reading and posting on these threads such a nice way to get to know other classic movie fans. I am going to end it now because I don't want to have this thread stopped because of our on-going friendly posts to each other. You can respond again to me if you want I won't respond back I promise. You may have the last word if you wish. Lori Edited by: Lori3 on Jun 18, 2012 1:24 PM Edited by: Lori3 on Jun 18, 2012 1:27 PM

Hi ginnyfan. I never knew that about Glen Ford. I took a moment to try and see if there was a group for Virginia Weidler over on the Classic Film Union page. I could find nothing on her and not even a Child Actor group that maybe you could check out. *UPDATE:* Ginny does have some info on her over at the classic film union page. Also, about 61 people have listed themselves as fans of hers. (Maybe you already know this if so, sorry.) I know people can start groups over there so maybe you should start a Virginia Weidler group. You never know you there might be a lot of people interested in joining it. Just to show you that not all stars had the same of thinking that Ford did when the cameras started to roll here is what Shelley Winters wrote in her biography regarding John Garfield. Winters remembers Garfield's kindness to her most of all. during the filming of He Ran All The Way. "He was generous to me in every way a big star can be to a newcomer. He gave me the best camera angles in two-shots, made sure the camera favored me and the audience saw both of my eyes. He spent hours on my close-ups, and if he didn't like the rushes and felt I could look prettier, he insisted that the director relight the scene and reshoot it." Sorry, I had to bring up the above, since yesterday someone wrote such a nasty statement about him. If you haven't already checked out the Classic Film Union page maybe you should. You might be able to find some info on her that I couldn't find. Thanks Lori3

Hi ginnyfan. I agree with you regarding the bit of Ginny playing with Barrymore's tie. I would not look at it at all as "scene stealing" but rather as adding something a little girl might due when sitting on her daddy's lap. I see scene stealing more as when an actor really "hams" it up on camera. Oh and I am a bit confused regarding Glen Ford. Was he known for stealing scenes, or being mean? Any ways of all the movies I have seen Ginny in I never once thought she was guilty scene stealing. Good luck on your Ginny sight mission. Lori3 Edited by: Lori3 on Jun 18, 2012 3:13 AM

Tom I agree with you completely regarding Robert Donat's performance in The Inn of the Sixth Happiness. I read a biography on Mr.Donat years ago, and I remember reading that it was not only Ingrid who was really crying, but so was the director, other actors, and the film crew. Another great actor forgotten by today's audiences. Robert Donat did deserve that Oscar for Goodbye Mr.Chips, and he should have been nominated for his performance in TIOTSH. My favorite line in Goodbye Mr.Chips is when he is dying, and the doctor says,"What a shame he never had any children." Mr.Chips: "What's that you say, never had any children? Why I have 100s of children, and all boys!" Just the way he says that last line in such a peaceful and contented way, it always makes me wish I would had a boy. (I wouldn't trade my two girls for anything though.) Robert Donat was a wonderful actor and had a beautiful speaking voice. Lori3

AddisonDeWitless. I agree with you regarding Joanne Woodward being a little tough on Lana Turner. A lot of critics felt she did some of her best work in TPART, and she stated in 1973 interview that TPART was her favorite role. I didn't think she was that "big" as Woodward thought she was. And, yes I can even admit she looked pretty "hot" in the PART. Lana was also wonderful in The Bad and the Beautiful. IMHO again. She wasn't considered a great actress though. At least that what I think, most people and critics think. WB now owns RKO films and all of MGM films prior to 1966. You are right though they don't have the rights to the films Garfield made under his production company. I know that Olive Films will be releasing Body and Soul and Force of Evil on July 31st, on two separate discs, DVD and Blue-Ray, meaning you can buy one disc and not the other. My choices for the Garfield box-set would be: Four Daughters, The Fallen Sparrow, TPART, and The Breaking Point, and if a five box-set would be easier to produce then my 5th choice would be The Pride of the Marines. (This is a re-edit. I didn't read your question correctly, sorry.) No the petition wants and states 4 or 5 separate discs, and regular box-set of his films. And for the record, on my petition people can leave comments, and many, many people have written comments that they feel that John Garfield was a great actor and a great Americian.Of course that is just other peoples opinion. That sentence is really meant for someone else. Thanks Lori3 Edited by: Lori3 on Jun 17, 2012 11:34 AM

Thanks Filmgoddess. I think you don't know as much as you think you do about John Garfield the actor or the man. That is IMHO. And I might now write a few things about him that others who knew him said about him but number one I don't have the time, I have to get ready of church and number two this isn't the forum for it. I will say the following though. The second paragraph you wrote was just lovely. I guess you were there huh? Maybe you weren't there but you feel you can make judgements on other people's lives. That must be wonderful for you. True you have your opinion and I have mine, and mine. My opinion is you are a real lady to write that second paragraph. And it was more than just Joanne Woodward's opinion or didn't you read all of my post. You know what though you keep your opinions about who you think is great and I will keep mine. I think I understand where you are coming from now. Lori Oh, would you like to sign my petition to get a box-set of John Garfield films made? It is just my opinion that his talent and memory deserves it.

Sprocket Man. OMG Here we go again. Why do I always have to defend my opinions here. Can't I just have my opinion and not have people tell me why my opinion is wrong. Here is what NY times said of Robert Donat's performance in Goodbye Mr. Chips. Mr. Chips is worth it. Particularly is he worth it with Mr. Donat's portrait of him. It is an incredibly fine characterization, not merely for its ability to make its convincing transition from young schoolmaster to octogenarian institution, but for its subtle underlining—if underlining can be subtle—of the dramatic moments in an essentially undramatic life. Chips was a reticent person. Like an iceberg, two-thirds of him always was subsurface. Mr. Donat has wisely understated him, played him softly, doubled his poignance. It is only in his crochety years, when he is scampering across the campus in his tattered robe, that Chips seems a trifle overdrawn, a fraction on the cute and overacted side. But that is just an impression and not deep enough to discredit an otherwise flawless performance. Again this is just my opinion and the NY times opinion. You can have your opinion and I won't attack it, like you attacked my opinion. Thanks Lori3 Edited by: Lori3 on Jun 17, 2012 7:25 AM Edited by: Lori3 on Jun 17, 2012 7:27 AM

Hi ginnyfan. Great pictures. Thanks I can't believe that John Barrymore accused Virginia of scene stealing! What? Happy Father's Day to you!' Lori3

overlie, I guess even if the actor, director , screenwriter had leftist views as long as they cooperated with HUAC they could go on with their careers. On YouTube one can see some very big and iconic stars cooperate with HUAC, make jokes, and actually one big star gives the name of a fellow actor. I remember noticing Marsha Hunt when I was in my early twenties, and thinking she is so lovely and a good actress. I also remember thinking as I got more into classic movies why wasn't this actress in more movies. I just thought she must of retired from films to marry and have a family. I really did know about HUAC until I "discovered" John Garfield and read about the mess he found himself in. That is so disgusting that some of the producers still had a grudge against her. Someone months ago posted the website where you could read the testimony of some actors gave before HUAC. Garfield's testimony was on that list so I read his entire testimony. I think I will see if I can find Marsha Hunt's testimony and read it. She sounds like a lovely and very interesting lady. Is she still with us? Lori3

I understand now what you are saying or asking Tom. I not sure there is any clear cut answer to your question. Maybe only a studied film historian can answer your question. Maybe too it has to do with the fates or luck? I really don't know. They both however deserved to be remembered, as do many other "stars" from the Golden era of film.do. Thanks Lori3

My father loves any and all Laurel and Hardy movies, period. My father in-law's favorite movie is Rio Bravo. My husband loves any and all of the WWII movies made during WWII. I love them all so Happy Father's Day to, My daddy, Cecil, and my wonderful and understanding husband David. Thanks Lori3

Hi Tom. I too agree with what Izcutter wrote, it makes a lot of sense. However, don't you think that as long as there are classic movie fans alive on this earth and a channel such as TCM to keep them "alive" that Wayne and Cooper will always be remembered? Even not so "classic movie fans" e.g. husband knows who Gary Cooper was. Both Wayne and Cooper are two iconic stars and they both left a wealth of great films and performances that will live long after all of us on these message boards have gone "home." Any ways that is my opinion on this subject. Thanks Lori3

Hello. The Fallen Sparrow 1943 starring John Garfield is scheduled to air June 29th. at 3:30am EST. This is another break through performance by Garfield and he does give an amazing performance in it. The supporting players, direction and sets are just great. A early film noir, and unfortunately a forgotten treasure of a film. I only wish TCM would air it at a more convenient hour, but we can't have everything. I would encourage all who haven't seen this film to watch or record it. It is a great film and it should be better remembered along with it's star. Thanks Lori3 Edited by: Lori3 on Jun 16, 2012 6:16 PM

I was just starting high school the day Judy Garland left us, but I remember being very sad when I found out about her passing. I had always loved Judy since I was a little girl and I saw her in The Wizard of Oz. I could go on Singing shows Judy at her best! My favorite song of the movie is Blue Bird. When I first heard her sing that song I was like, What?, WOW! She was truly one of the most talented individuals ever to walk this earth. There was only one Judy Garland period. Thanks Lori3

MaryLyn2. If that happend to me I would be more than sad, I would be really mad and frustrated. I love Peter O'Toole, but sorry his Mr.Chips does not compare to Robert Donat's Mr. Chips. Robert Donat is simply stunning in that role, and rightful won the Oscar over Clark Gable and everyone else who was nominated that magic year of 1939. Sorry this happened to you, and TCM should really explain themselves as to why this happened, especially since they were promoting the 1939 version all week long. However, like everyone has been telling you the 1939 version of Goodbye Mr.Chips will be airing soon. Lori3

Someone else mentioned Sidney Poitier for "A Raisin In The Sun" and I would totally agree. I would also say the Claudia McNeil who played Lena Younger the mother in the above film at least deserved a nomination. I also think that Robert Downey Jr. deserved the Oscar for his portrayal of Charlie Chaplin. Oh and ginnyfan, I agree one hundred percent with your post. Thanks Lori3

Filmgoddness you wrote: *Well, I think the reason given for Garfield's not winning an Oscar for those roles is simply nonsense. The films mentioned below simply were not considered "major" films and not the sort of thing the Academy was honoring in those days.* *That's the answer. Pure and simple. There was no "conspiracy."* *Also, I'm guessing plenty of people thought he wasn't that great of an actor and that's another reason. And with all due respect to Mr. Garfield, when people think of POSTMAN it's not him they're thinking of, it's Lana Turner.* You obviously haven’t seen Joanne Woodward’s TCM Word of Mouth where she talks about The Postman Always Rings Twice. Joanne Woodward says, Garfield gives a remarkable understated performance, and it is his film. Maybe you have seen the promo and you disagree with an Academy award winning actress. Maybe you haven’t seen The John Garfield Story, in which many talented actors talk about the great talent John Garfield had as an actor. TCM is doing a tribute to John Garfield on September 19^th^, and The John Garfield Story will be shown that day. Why don’t you watch and maybe learn something about John Garfield’s talent. Also, you might learn for people who were around during the HUAC mess, and hear them give testimony how Hollywood shunned Garfield and how doors where closed in his face from his Hollywood friends. HUAC had everyone during that time running scared, and many people had their careers destroyed by HUAC. John Garfield was the most prominent actor of the time to have film star status taken away from him. Of course HUAC cleared his name of any Communist activity about a month after his death. Many of Garfield’s co-stars considered him a great actor. Edward G. Robinson, {color:black}“John Garfield was one of the best young actors.” {color:black}Gregory Peck, “John Garfield was one of the greatest actors I every worked with”. {color:black}I could go on but I don’t have the time. {color:black}You write in one sentence how you guess many people didn’t think that Garfield was a great actor and then in the next sentence you write with all due respect to Mr. Garfield. Sorry to me with your first sentence you just disrespected him. {color:black}I thought this thread was set up for us to list actors who we believed should have been nominated for an Oscar, period. It is our opinion that is all. {color:black}I guess we are all entitled to our own opinion but I don’t understand why some people feel they need to voice their opinion in such a mean and hurtful way. I am obviously a huge fan of Mr.Garfied, and currently have a petition going to get WB/TCM to finally put together a box-set of his films for purchase. I and others are working hard to promote this petition and make it a success. {color:black}I and many, many others feel that John Garfield was one of the greatest actors that this country has ever produced. He is also one of the most forgotten, perhaps due to the blacklisting. However, just because he does not have that star recognition that other iconic stars have does not mean he is any less talented. John Garfield should take a back set to no one. {color:black}Tom, thank you for your post. {color:black}Lori3