Dargo2

True. The British film was more of what would come to be called a "Docudrama" than the more Soap Opera-ish '53 Titanic. However, as I recall(because as I mentioned much earlier in this thread, I haven't watched "TTI" in years), wasn't there just a bit of the "Soap Opera" aspect going on in this film too?

>And if all went well, they might not have even watched the whole movie anyway, so there's THAT. Aaah, how that brings back all those sweet memories of the Vermont Drive-In and that precious little Valerie!!! (...thanks for this little stroll..err..I guess I mean drive down Memory Lane here, Sepia ol' buddy!)

>...A short in a trash room in just a few short hours is a fire threatening the tower's innerts and the promenade hoy-faloy at the top...and the ironies of fate.. Hmmmm....I wonder what kinda movie you'd get if you'd replace the phrase "a short in the trash room" with the word "iceberg", the word "fire" with the word "water", AND add the word "deck" after the word "promenade" here??? (...AND of course maybe replace Holden with Clifton Webb, and Faye Dunaway with maybe Barbara Stanwyck???)

LOL Yeah, I also remember when Johnny marched onto the set of "C.P.O. Sharkey" and gave Rickles the business about that pencil box! (...I think that might've been the only time I ever recall seeing Don being at a loss for words)

Well then, thank god it's not only ME! Yep, BuffaloBob is not the only one who is heardin' voices...err, I mean that little snapping sound. And, I have Direct TV, also. And, it seems to me this has only started happenin' within the past two weeks or so. (...btw BB...say hello to Howdy for me...how's that big-cheeked little redhead doin' lately anyway?!)

Yes indeed, Geraldddddd(6 'd's here, right?! ) I agree that your suggestion is a mighty good one, too. I was just thinking here that perhaps your rationale for this might've been prompted from those long ago Friday nights in major media centers where horror movies where often showed on this night of the week and late into the evening, and often presented by ghoulish impresarios? Ya see, I've often thought that Film Noir could or might be considered a more "adult" or possibly more "sophisticated"(for want of better terms) form of "horror"...the horror of city denizens going about their business in a dark and often unscrupulous, ugly and horrific manner. (...just a thought...you and others of course might disagree with me here in this definition, and that's okay)

>As for Cooper, I found him charmingly boyish, unlikely as gangster material, I admit, but quite engaging in his role. Coop never played in a gangster film again, and it's perhaps it's just as well, but his one fling at the genre would be in an impressive, if little remembered, effort. Good point, Tom. I thought it was refreshing to watch Coop play instead of his usual "reluctant hero" type who primarily "reacts" to any given situation which his characters find themselves embroiled, this seems to be one of few films in which he drives more of the action, especially near the end of the film. (...though I suppose given the ending to this film, that "drives the action" line I used DOES seem to have a double meaning here, eh?!)

>btw, I found your posts to be the least ridiculous. Why, thank you, Lavender. As you might've guessed after all this time, I have always and continue to accept ALL praise! (...including the "faint" variety)

Hey Dark! I hope you realize that you've PROBABLY just incited heuriger to post the lyrics to "Snowbird" here!!! (...she does that sometimes whenever a recording artist's name is mentioned, ya know!)

In all seriousness(BOY do I ever hate it whenever I have to do that! ) Lavender, I would say most all of the decent and pertinent suggestions for the kid here came within the first 3 or 4 pages of this thread. And, I would say most of the pages after that contained little addition pertinent suggestions for him OR in most cases a "RE-suggestion" of the same suggestions and regardless of all of my BS which I admit adding to this thread in hopes of adding a bit of levity to it. And so, disregarding the possibility that said young man wouldn't have enough free time in a busy schedule to read ALL of this thread, I would think by those first 3 or 4 pages which I mentioned above, our new young friend would most likely have enough information at his disposal in order to make an informed decision as to his "dilemma", wouldn't you also say?! (...and so now I would also think at this point having some of us "old ****" have a little fun with his thread wouldn't place that much of an addition burden upon his search for an answer to that timeless query many a young man has asked himself: "Now HOW can I impress that hot babe I just met?") Edited by: Dargo2 on Jun 8, 2013 3:56 PM

>I originally did suggest the original (1939) of AN AFFAIR TO REMEMBER (can't think of the name), to me,as far as Iam concerned, that is the best... Oh geeez! Are we on that whole "You've Got Mail at The Shop Around the Corner During the Good Ol' Summertime" thing AGAIN??? (...in other words, Twink, Leo McCarey's 1939 film is titled "Love Affair", and his 1957 remake is titled "An Affair to Remember"...REMEMBER?!)

>I think that's ALL this kid was looking for. Yeah, maybe, lavender...but look at it THIS way here: Wouldn't ya say the problem in most relationships is a lack of communication? AND, wouldn't ya say this lack of communication often stems from just communicating in short and direct answers, and not getting into, say, "the nuances" of a conversation which can plumb the depths of circumstances and bring them more into focus? (...well then, just think of all my BS in this thread as KINDA doin' THAT!!!) LOL

Hey! I'm just thinkin' of all the possible negative scenarios that could happen here, so that once the kid reads this ENTIRE thread(fat chance o' THAT happenin' now, HUH?!), he'll know what to steer clear from! (...hey, did I just end that sentence with a preposition?...well, I'll bet most FRENCH dudes who speak English wouldn't know that that was a grammatical faux pas, anyway!!!) LOL

>I've spend a fair amount of time in Paris/Nice and I AM very much aware of how the French Men can be, Believe me!...American/Canadian men are like " little boys" compared to aggessive Frenchmen ! Uh huh...SEE?! NOW would you like to take back this suggestion of yours here??? I mean, we ARE tryin' to help the kid out here, aren't WE?! (...oh, and yeah...have a little fun along the way here, TOO!) LOL

Then make a point to watch the two Bennett films I mentioned earlier the next time TCM shows 'em, and I think you'll have a change of heart about her, Twink.

Hmmmm....I think I see a possible problem with your French Kiss suggestion here, Twink. The young man who started this thread seems to be the All-American type, doesn't he?! And so, who's to say after watching Klein do his French shtick so successfully in that film and eventually sway Meg's heart away from the All-American Tim Hutton in this thing, THAT once this movie is over, his date will start seekin' out some French dude INSTEAD of the KID here, HUH???!!! (...yeah, I KNOW how you American AND Canadian dames can get all hot and bothered over them there guys with their "ferrin" accents...I didn't just fall off some TURNIP TRUCK here, ya know!!!) LOL (...btw, how did ya like my young "Ralph Bellamy" impression here, HUH???!!!) LOL Edited by: Dargo2 on Jun 8, 2013 2:37 PM

>Of course, I don't expect you to say, "Fred, you are right about this." Well Fred, didn't I just list the reasons down there why I KNOW you THINK you're right?!!! (...I can't do anymore than THAT, ya know!) LOL

Sorry Twink, and Lana would've not only been a little too young to play the part, but not nearly good enough an actress at that time in her career to pull it off, also. Not to mention because of these two issues, she couldn't have projected the "worldliness" required for the part. AND, re Joan Bennett...sounds to me as if you're thinking of her as the more "matronly" type in her later years, such as Spencer Tracy's wife the Father of the Bride films. However, IF you've ever watched her in eitherThe Woman in the Window 1944, or Scarlet Street 1945, I think you'd see what an effective femme fatale she could make. In fact, early on in her career, Ms. Bennett would almost primarily become known for these kinds of roles.,And, in 1941, Joan would've been 31 y/o. and a perfect age for this Miss Wonderly role. (...side note: and I always thought she was VERY "hot lookin", TOO...yep, EVEN later on in those more "matronly" roles....SO THERE!!!)

>You need to face up to it. Regarding the 41 version, some of you guys have been taken in by the rules of the Hays Code for years and only now do you realize it, and you are mad at me for pointing it out. LOL Nope Fred, once again, I don't think we can blame Will's Code for this. Nope, once again, I think the problem lays with the casting of Astor as the woman who is supposed be desirable enough for two men previously in the plot to have put their lives on line for her and then pay the ultimate price with their lives, and for a third(Spade) to be swayed enough to do so. Heck Fred, you even mentioned this aspect a couple of times earlier in this thread yourself. Nope Fred, I think you have a fondness of the '31 version for two reasons. One, the fact that it's short and sweet and more condensed than the '41 version...an aspect of films which many times in the past around here you've cited as a "problem" you have with more modern films, and secondly, you have a thing for the way women dressed and looked in the early '30s over all other decades. Yep, it's pretty much apparent around here, 'cause you often state Harlow was your ultimate idea of woman's perfection, NOT to mention all the OTHER babes from that era you quite often cite. Nothin' wrong with that, though! (...btw, I've just thought of another actress who would have been better suited for the Miss Wonderly role of '41...Joan Bennett)

Ooooh, yeah. I agree, James. Lupino would've been a MUCH better choice. Good call. (...any OTHER suggestion here, Ladies and Gents?)

>FredCDobbs wrote:Maybe they can watch their first-date movie on a single iPhone. They would have to sit close together in order to see the screen. Oh, how romantic! >And cheap too. Not a bad idea, as long as it's her iPhone. No sense him using up any energy on anything less then a sure thing. Yep, the kid'll go far in life keepin' THIS in mind at all times, Iz! Yep, who knows? He COULD parlay these kinds of economic measures into a vast fortune enough to rival that of Charles Foster Kane! (...and of course END UP with just about the same level of success in the ROMANCE department as that guy did when they start sellin' off the kid's earthly possessions TOO!)

>Well isn't a movie where women are free to chase who they wish to chase more true to the feminist POV than Hays code movies where female choices are limited and dictated by preconceived male notions of women's sexuality? BRAVO, James! That's an excellent reply to TB's assertion that this '31 version is overtly "sexist"! Couldn't have said it better myself. ...and... >But I do agree that due to the sexual nature of the 31 version the crime story gets lost. In the 41 version the movie is all about the various crimes. The only thing that I got out of seeing the 31 version and comparing the two is wondering why Huston didn't amp up the sexual nature of his version just a little more. e.g. a less cartoonist Iva. This is another excellent point. I think both versions have their failings, though there's no denying the '41 version is vastly superior to the '31 version. First, Cortez's line readings in many of the scenes is borderline awful. it's much too glib and smarmy. And secondly, the cinematography is such more stilted in the earlier version, though this could of course be more the "fault" of the advancing cinematic technology made during the decade between these two versions, and of which Huston DOES take full advantage later on. And, while I agree with you somewhat that all the inferred "sexuality" in the '31 version seems to get in the way of plot advancement, the problem with the second films is that there seems to be just a little too little "sexual insinuation", and I DON'T think we can blame Mr.Hays and his code for this. Nope, as has been mentioned here, I also think that while Mary Astor was a fine actress, she was totally miscast in her role. There is little if any "chemistry" between her and Bogie, and thus for Bogie to have these "pangs of conscience" for turning her in to the police at the end of the film has always seemed to me to come out of almost nowhere. Yep, replace Astor with a women that had a little sex appeal, and this '41 version would be near perfect in my estimation. (...so here's ya a question, folks: What reasonably "hot" and capable actress in the early '40s do YOU think should have played Miss Wonderly?)

Yeah, ESPECIALLY the one where Johnny acts like dog and pretends to lap up the stuff!

Oh Nora, "you stubborn, splendid, adorable fool", I loved that picture of Anne as Nefretiri, TOO!!! (...don't worry, I'll refrain from doin' Eddie G's "Mmm-yeah! Where's your prophet now, SEE?!"...OOPS, sorry...I guess that just kinda slipped out TOO!)

I don't know, Jake! Ya see, IF this kid's date turns out to be ANYTHING like Fred's date that one time(the one he took to go see that caveman flick, and HIS date objected to how MISTER Caveman was treatin' MRS.Caveman), then watchin' John Wayne manhandle Maureen O'Hara in The Quiet Man MIGHT not be conducive to this kid's ultimate goal EITHER!!! LOL (...yep, ya see Jake, not EVERYBODY digs that John Wayne persona...ESPECIALLY a whole lot o' WOMEN in this modern age!!!!) **** here!