Dargo2

Hi skimpole. First, while I'll admit Peter Finch's Howard Beale goes through quite a transformation in "Network" and thus fleshes out his character extremely well(and possibly why he won his posthumous Oscar), and Bill Holden and Beatrice Straight(Oscar winner again) roles are also fleshed out nicely both in performance and in the script, I've always thought Faye Dunaway's role as the single-minded ladder-climbing shrew and who is basically the center and story catalyst of the film(and not Finch's Beale) was purposely written by Paddy Chayefsky and purposely acted very two-dimensionally by her because of the Paddy's overriding intent to make his point about television broadcasting. And secondly, while I didn't mention "Dr. Strangelove"(and one of my all-time favorite films) in your thread, Kubrick's black comedy masterpiece is filled with nothing but archetypes, and archetypes are seldom if ever presented as three-dimensional.

>Just to clarify: what I was ranting about was NOT such imaginative, even playful, phrases alluding to death. My problem is with people who routinely use the term "passed away" (or worse, "passed") to mean someone has died. It's the conscious, squeamish avoidance of using the real word - a good old proper Anglo Saxon word, "death" - and replacing it with a namby pamby "softer" term that in my view, somehow attempts to deny the reality of a life coming to an end. At the rate we're going with this trend, we'll have to add "death" to the Salty Language thread. A word that is becoming unacceptable in some circles. First here MissW, I'm going preface my following statement by mentioning that I'm Agnostic, and thus am not inclined to believe in the "Hereafter", but have you ever considered the thought that many many people in the world DO believe that our "mortal coil" is but a temporary state of being and that after we die we DO "pass on" to some other existence? And thus, the idea that some people say "passed on" or "passes" isn't or might not be so much a case of "namby-pamby-ism" but is their manner of expressing this thought? And yes, in some cases it may be presumptuous of people to assume that the deceased believed in the "Hereafter" and presupposes the thought of "passing on" to them, but even then I can't see why you seem to take such umbrage of someone "wishing" this "fate" upon another, as it seems to me the Faithful, at least in THIS case, are acting with good intentions, and even if a bit, as I said, in some cases, "presumptuous".

MissW, why doncha look at it THIS way here.... AT LEAST Fred picked some OTHER "alternative" more to liking(Mexican movies) in this thread than his standard, "I got'a have me more Jean Harlow and babes of the 1930s movies, than all these here inferior post-1960 movies you're showin' lately!" line...RIGHT?! (...there's always a silver-lining out there, ya see!!!) LOL

>Addicts go through a torture, particularly if compounded with the complications of mental health issues, that we who never had such an issue can't really begin to understand, I feel. True Tom, but I have to ask why you prefaced your comment about the torture addicts(and alcoholics, for that matter) go through with that comment about mental health issues, such as your earlier reference about "doubts and insecurities"? And I ask this because as far I've ever observed, those very "issues" are the primary reason almost all addicts and alcoholics "self-medicate"! (...'cause it sure isn't because they hold a high opinion of themselves deep down inside, is IT?!)

You folks will have to excuse Fred here. He'd never gotten over TCM's failure to have his favorite big band leader, Tommy Dorsey, given SOTM status, and is just tryin' to hide his pain with all that "Mexican movie" talk. (...well, it's either THAT or he's still of the mind that my father had that Sunday night John, Paul, George and Ringo first hit the Sullivan stage: "Eeh, you'll never hear of these guys again after a year or two!"...AND coincidentally, I THINK Fred IS just about my father's AGE...well, if my father hadn't "passed"..err..DIED about ten years ago at age 84, anyway!!!) LOL (...oh, and btw folks, once again, it's posts like THIS which is probably, no make that DEFINITELY why Fred has me on his Ignore function!) ROFL Edited by: Dargo2 on Feb 5, 2014 4:43 PM

And which of course is perfectly parodied in the Steve Martin film, "Pennies From Heaven".

>A character can use the filmiest disguise (i.e. a moustache, or a hat and glasses) and nobody is the wiser until the moustache inevitably falls off. Or just a pair of horn rimmed glasses in the case of a certain reporter for the Daily Planet newspaper.

Well, of COURSE I have, Ham! (...didn't he play second base for the Washington Senators???...or was that "What"???) Yeah, I suppose it COULD have been possible for Burton and Eastwood to have had as much success in this regard as Audie did in real life...maybe......naaaah. Ya see, in "To Hell and Back", Audie's situation and how he managed to get the drop on the Germans(and just like the more realistic "Sargent York" with Coop) is NOTHING like the fantasy war scenario Burton and Eastwood acted out!

With your buddy Clint, you seemingly kill half the WWII German Army that's shooting thousands and thousands of rounds your way, and yet ONLY receive a minor flesh wound to your hand for your troubles. (...see the movie, "Where Eagles Dare" for further details)

>What, you don't realize that "media bias" is the cause of everything from the Arctic Vortex to teenage pregnancies? Little do you know, my friend, little do you know! LOL "Yep", you're certainly "right" again here, Andy! (...I'm glad to see you caught the drift of my comment)

OH...well...I remember being VERY shocked at all those kids using all that foul language the first time I watched Meathead's movie upon its release, Ham! (...because of course, I was as pure as the driven freakin' SNOW when I was THEIR freakin' age, and would have NEVER uttered such bad freakin' language like THAT back then...well, not within earshot of my PARENTS anyway!!!) LOL

>The more I read similar complaints about (programming) "bias", the more I get the sense that the people voicing these complaints don't ever bother to acquaint themselves with the facts (of TCM's programming history.) Well, ya know Andy, I hope you realize that if you'd excise the parts of your above statement which I've taken the liberty to place within parentheses, then you've pretty much made a very valid AND factual statement in the GENERAL sense of things.

Yes, I suppose so, but I'm thinking the word "mood" is a fairly vague or nebulous term for the OP to have used, and so I wish they would further elaborate upon their initial post and tell us in more exact terms what they meant. As I mentioned here, I believe their meaning was in more the vein of a "era correct" kind of thing, but as I also said, I could be wrong.

>Messing with the color as part of the transfer process in one thing but that isn't what the original post was about. It is about a mood, with the assumption that B&W fits a darker mood. I could be wrong here James, but I don't think the OP's implication was that it "fit the mood" better, but that somehow a Civil War era piece seems "more fitting" and maybe more "era correct" in B&W than does the more modern Technicolor aspect of it. (...and thus the very reason I earlier asked the OP the question about WWII ground footage mostly being filmed in B&W and the Naval footage often being filmed in color, and if he somehow felt the latter gave him the "feeling" of being anachronistic also...and of which I never received a reply)

Speaking of "Escape from New York" here...Did anyone around here catch the clever use of Kurt Russell and his taped introductions of each team and his reference to "escaping from New York with the Lombardi Trophy" during the pre-slaughter..ahem..I mean pre-GAME broadcast?

OH, and for those here who might prefer this in B&W... "You're tearing me APART!!!"

Will you two please stop this bickering, 'cause... "You're tearing me APART!!!"

Naaah, VX. All-American Day and Wayne would NEVER do anything like THAT! (...I believe the answer is: All three are just 4 degrees away from Kevin Bacon)

OR, in the opposite vein(and as that poor fish with that balloon attached to his tail is headed in Ham's cartoon down there: "Goin' to that Big fill in the blank with the earthly location of your choice In the Sky"!

Any word if he was able to somehow take his toupees with him, Ham? (....he had some pretty nice ones, ya know!)

"Eeh! Why doncha grow up, Blanche?!"

I'm not sure, but "she" sure isn't the prettiest little thing y'all will ever see, huh! (...though something's tellin' me Jake will think she looks JUST fine!!!) LOL

>salty language >beats sugary. Ahem...I think THIS lady might beg to differ with you...honeylamb!

Has anyone mentioned MY favorite euphemism for dying YET? And that would be: "Bite the BIG one!" (...okay all you armchair etymologists around here...where the hell did THIS one originate, HUH?!)

So ccf, would this also mean you might think watching U.S. Naval films from WW!!(much of it filmed in color, and as compared to most stock footage filmed in B&W by the U.S. Army forces during that same conflict) makes it seem somehow less realistic, also?