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Hey Dothery! Now don't ya think I've performed MY job sufficiently enough ALREADY as a...ahem..."Saboteur" of this thread???!!! (...loved your follow-up here)

Yeah, he does. And is it only me, or does director Frank Lloyd look a lot like an older Peter Lawford there, too?

Actually, and while I'm no big Liza fan myself, I've always thought her "ugliness" played to the believability of her character, because I've always thought Sally Bowles' character was supposed to be one who tries too hard to be loved and accepted by the other characters around her. And thus, if she WERE "pretty" and desirable, wouldn't those qualities tend to make these necessities of her character much less apparent to advance the plot?

Well, I'm certainly glad that we're back on topic here, 'cause after I mentioned a certain play/movie with the characters of George and Martha, and THEN after reading somethin' about Richard Burton being buried under that parking lot...well, for minute there I thought I was readin' a new take on an old Abbott and Costello routine maybe best titled..."Who's On First with Virginia Woolf"!!! (...I get SO confused sometimes, ya know!!!)

Burt Reynolds??? (...well, the dude DOES have a mustache there, ya know!)

>I performed in no plays in high school but was in a production of Carousel in 6th grade. Oddly serious musical for 11-year olds! LOL Yeah, to say the LEAST! (..yeah, well, maybe the cost for the rights to run a production of "Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf" were a little too high for the principal or somethin'...ever think o' THAT?!)

>No, I do not have the schnozola for it. It's ACTING -as Jon Lovitz would say.. LOL Yeah, sorta like what Olivier was said to have said to Dustin Hoffman right before they filmed that torture in in Marathon Man and when Olivier asked him why he looked like he had been up all night when he showed up for filming, to which Hoffman told him he HAD been up all night in order to look ragged for the scene, AND to which Olivier supposedly replied..."Did you ever consider trying to ACT it instead, dear boy?"

Now c'mon KD. THIS one's SO easy! Why of course THAT's some guy who's face looks just like the Statue of Liberty's face! SEE.... LOL

>But to your point I think having to read Macbeth in high school prejudiced me against that play for a long time! Hmmm...and here in '69 I played Macbeth in selected solo scenes and representing my L.A. high school's drama class at a UCLA-held L.A.U.S.D. Shakespearean contest, AND came in third place out of a total of some 25 or so other young actors representing their schools. Yep..."Is this a DAGGER which I see before me? The handle toward my hand? Etc, etc, etc..." (...yeah yeah, like Brando said, "I could'a been a contender", but got hooked into the airlline biz instead)

Let's just put it this way: Dr. Bob Hartley was one lucky guy!!!

Oh, I see we're gettin' back to the "TV Guide crossword puzzle level" again, eh Kid?! That's Donna Douglas. (...though I wouldn't have minded ya postin' a picture of her in a bathin' suit next to that there "cee-ment pond" she's got out in her backyard there in Beverly Hills!)

>As usual virtually every film innovation was first utilized by Eisenstein. WOW! I wonder how he found the time to do all that while workin' on that whole E=MC2 thing too??? (...oh...wait...never mind)

Speaking of The Bard...I was wondering how many people here have made the pilgrimage to Stratford-upon-Avon? In the summer of '96 and during a rail-based tourist loop around the U.K., my wife and I visited this quaint town preserved in its Elizabethan charm. For those ever contemplating a trip to Blighty, it's a place I believe should be close to the top in priority on anyone's itinerary.

>Ah, I get it now. Why not oranges? Well Hibi, I think you actually might have answered your own question earlier with that story about your German grandfather. Ya see, because no other word in the English language rhymes with the word "orange", then how could anyone ever come up with an equivalent phrase like "Slimey Limey" later on, HUH?! (...yep, simple logic here, my dear!)

OH! Okay. Now I THINK I get it, Fred. Well, I'm glad to know it wasn't the inclusion of those Brown Shirts that tuned ya off to this flick. Those fellas have ALREADY gotten a pretty bad rep over the years ya know, and we certainly wouldn't wish to further tarnish their memory by thinking that they or ANYONE in 1931's Germany might've ever used vulgar language...IN REAL LIFE!

Well Sepia ol' buddy, after readin' your last paragraph, I'm CERTAINLY not gonna disagree with ANYTHING ya just said there!!! (...thanks my friend)

Yeah, okay Fred...but what about them there Nazis??? Ya didn't say why ya thought those Brown Shirts made the flick seem dated to ya here. (...wait, "brown shirts"...THAT'S IT, isn't it...those Nazis didn't start wearin' THAT color until the fall styles came out in 1932, NOT '31, RIGHT?...NOW I get IT!!!!)

Yeah...or Jimmy...Hoffa that is. (...and they'll keep tryin' too!)

"Gila Monsters"???!!! Why, I had NO idea Fred lived near me here in the Southwest! (...the Southwest of the good ol' U.S. of A that is...NOT the Kelowna B.C. area of Canada, of course)

>lime eating? LOL Hey! I didn't say it...BILD did!!! But, you know what he meant, right?!

>I'm glad we gave the lime eaters the heave ho way back when, but the Founding Fathers had a very narrow view of 'men' and 'equality.' VERY ture, and you'll get no argument from me on this point at all. Though as I'm sure you know, there presently seems afoot the idea in our country that those aforementioned Founding Fathers were somehow "infallible" in ALL things. (...aaah, but maybe we should end this little sidetracking of Dicky's thread right here, 'cause I'm sure you know what kind of a discussion of THAT would probably lead to TOO around here, don't ya...and it probably wouldn't end up being "pretty" EITHER!) LOL

While I have to admit I'm not as big a fan of this movie as you appear to be MissW, I've always appreciated the dichotomy of contrasts inherent in this film and in its depiction of a society beginning its road to the abyss on the one hand, and then the somewhat nonchalant atmosphere present inside the cabaret exhibited with an almost "Nero fiddling while Rome is burning" feel on the other hand. And while I suppose I can KIND of see Fred's point about the "early '70s look" of it(I suppose his meaning might be something to the same effect as how many Westerns made before the '70s had characters that looked as though they had just had a shave and nice clean razor-cut haircut down the street on Burbank Blvd before filming started for the day...case in point: Kirk and Burt in "Gunfight at the O.K. Corral...but I digress), but I also would like Fred to expand upon his premise that somehow "Nazis make the film seem dated"...'cause I ain't gettin' THAT idea of his at all, either.

Btw Fred, and to attempt to seriously answer your "DNA testing of the Shroud of Turin" question here...as far as I know there's only ever been radiocarbon dating tests done of that object, which as I recall came to the conclusion that it dated to the Middle Ages and not as far back as biblical times. And, seeing as how Jesus never had children(well, according to presently held chuch doctrine anyway), you have to wonder who they'd find in the modern world in order to run DNA tests against any specimens they'd find on said shroud, right?! (...and on a side note here, I once found a pototo chip in my bag of Lays that looked JUST like the Blessed Mother...it tasted like all the rest, however)

Well Fred, according to MM here, there's not a "shroud" of evidence that this whole DNA thing even works at ALL!!!

Eeh, now don't you fret, Hibi. Ya know with the advent of this whole DNA stuff, they can now clone people TOO! And so MAYBE just like the King of the Dinosaurs, Tyrannosaurus Rex in those Michael Crichton flicks, they'll one day make another Plantagenet TOO! (...hey, just tryin' to make ya feel better here, THAT'S all!)