Dargo2

Ya know Sepia, earlier in this thread when I saw lanceroten's pick was Yvonne Craig, I was going to say that she was probably my first crush too, or possibly Stephanie Powers (The Girl from U.N.C.L.E.), but now that I saw your mention of Shari Lewis here, that brought back a memory which pre-dated even those crushes. I couldn't have been much more than 7 or 8 y/o at the time and I remember walking up to that old Philco B&W TV set one Saturday morning while her kid's show was on, stopping for minute in order to look around and make sure no one else was in the room, and then planting kiss right on the picture tube as a close up of Shari was shown, and most likely while she was talking to Lambchop. Yep, now that you've brought up her name, I have to say I think Shari probably was my very first crush, too. Btw, years later, when I was around 40 y/o and working the boarding gates for an airline at LAX, I had the pleasure to board Ms. Lewis on a flight, and while doing so, I couldn't resist telling her this story and saying that she was probably my first crush. She was an absolute doll about it, smiled that lovely smile of hers that I remembered from over 30 years prior and replied with something like, "My! What a great story! Thank you! You just made my day!"...and I felt she really meant it.

Sepiatone wrote: "Sounds like another thread...What younger actor/actress looks like another older actor's "love child"?" ----- Well Sepia, if you DO decide to start a thread like that, then how about starting with an observation which I've mentioned a couple of times in the past around here and which always seems to garner a lot of responses such as, "Wow Dargo! You know, I never noticed that before, but you COULD be RIGHT!", and that observation is: Joseph Cotten is REALLY David Letterman's dad!

finance wrote: "Funny, on these very boards, I got Carol Lawrence mixed up with Vicki Lawrence of the Carol Burnett show. I understand that Vicki Lawrence had an affair with Lawrence of Arabia." ----- Well, you're CLOSE there, finance, but actually the ONLY connection Vicki ever had or has with T. E. Lawrence is that she owns one of his old Brough Superior SS100 motorcycles...like the one he was killed on. (...word is that just that first test ride on that old British bike and the vibration it gave off, had her hooked for life...if ya know what I mean!) ;-)

Yep ginnyfan, I'm with ya there about how watchin' "Father Knows Best" and "Marcus Welby" all those years ago and thus makin' it hard for me to confuse Robert Young with anyone else, too. (...'cept in MY case, I'm old enough to remember watchin' those shows when they were first run....you friggin' PUPPY you!!!) LOL ;-)

misswonderly wrote: "'Course it helped that Jason Robards was always flown to Canada every October to judge the annual Canadian beer competition. He was the one dressed up in the hockey outfit. Word is, they had to negotiate with him to take away his hockey stick ( possibly dangerous when too much beer is imbibed." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yep MissW! Then maybe you ALSO know that somethin' along these very lines was the primary reason that that Robards/Bacall marriage didnt't last. Jason was a dyed-in-the-wool old Red Wings fan from WAY back, but Lauren, thinking Detriot MUCH too provincial, never traveled with him to see any of the home games, and thus sadly and eventually realizing their separate passions in life, they grew steadily apart. So yep, t'was Hockey the very reason for yet another failed Tinsel Town union, alright! (...kinda ironic, ain't it?!...I mean it appears it was the "influence of the Heartland", Michigan in this case, which caused the breakup of a Hollywood marriage!!!) ;-)

Oh and Lori... I WISH I could find a certain tirade of mine that I posted here at this website a while back and post it again here for ya. It's about a scenario in which I were in front of that committee, and where I pretty much give it to those lameass Congressmen back then with BOTH freakin' BARRELS!!! (...and to tell ya the truth, I REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY think I WOULD HAVE done JUST that in "real life" TOO, if it came to that!)

Tom wrote:"...A Hollywood right winger like director Sam Wood was disgusted with Cooper's appearance because he got away without naming any names. Others, however, thought the seemingly unsophisticated Coop, however, was brilliant, saying nothing while at the same time seeming to be on HUAC's side." ----- Now Tom...how do ya think Ronnie got elected and became known as the "Teflon President", HUH?! 'Mericans just EAT UP that "Ah shucks" stuff, dude! I mean, why do ya think I do this here "Good Ol' Boy" routine on this here computer a lot o' the time, HUH?! (...uh huh...by watchin' HIM get away with stuff, Ronnie taught me everythin' I EVER needed to know 'bout how NOT to ruffle all that many feathers while sayin' somethin' ya might feel strongly about...uh huh, 'cause the LAST THING ya ever wanna do is come across as one o' them there "eggy headed in-tie-lect-chu-alls"...the locals ALWAYS hate THAT!!!) ROFL

Very good "bring up" here, allthumbs! However, I mostly think of Gig Young more as the guy who often came in second when it came to gettin' the girl in more lighthearted fare, whereas I mostly think of Robert Webber as a little more "slimey" and underhanded in darker themed films, though as I recall Gig could be pretty good in that kind of role, also...as in the role he won his Oscar for in "They Shoot Horses, Don't They?"

LOL! Yeah, actually I get that all the time...the "JAMES Coburn" thing, that is. (...and I suppose even if I DID look like ol' Quasi, I could ALWAYS take comfort in knowing that my "gentle ways" could melt the heart of that hot babe, a young Maureen O'Hara!)

LOL! What a great sense of humo(u)r you have, Tom...for a Canuck, anyway. ;-) And, just as long as you never confuse CHARLES Coburn with JAMES Coburn, then I suppose all is well with ya up there north of the 49th. (...'cause for the LIFE o' me, I just CAN'T imagine CHARLES as Derek Flint ever doin' those karate kicks at those messengers of evil out there among(st) us!)

...or pretty much ANYWHERE anymore in this country, ginnyfan...as I'm sure you know. ;-) (...of course THAT doesn't stop some folks in the rest of the country who've been divorced once, twice of more times, from somehow blamin' "Hollywood's influence" for the failure in this whole marriage thing nowadays, instead of maybe lookin' in the mirror, huh...but I digress!) LOL!!!

Yeah, I suppose I can kinda see that whole Robert Young/Montgomery thing, AND maybe even that whole Brian business here too, but I'm havin' a hard time tryin' to figure out that Powell/Wyman thing here...'cause MY issue was usually thinkin' of Jane Powell and Kathryn Grayson and confusin' THOSE two. (...seein' as how they were both great singers, tiny and kinda cute)

Mongo wrote: "Yeah, Dargo, I wanted to show that the talented O'Brien was not always a schnook." Oh, I see, Joe...and like when we wasn't ALSO smokin' that there Mar-ri-ja-wa-na which SOMEHOW made him act like he had just done four lines of Cocaine, eh?! (...uh huh...okay...NOW I get it!) ;-) LOL! Edited by: Dargo2 on May 31, 2012 2:32 PM

MissW wrote: "...Van Heflin and Arthur Kennedy." ----- Yeah, I can kinda see that, MissW. However for me, and for some reason which once again I can't quite point to, it was Arthur Kennedy and Edmond O'Brien. (...hmmmm...maybe it was 'cause they both often played characters with sharp wits and sharp tongues)

Well ham, my comment was MOSTLY done in jest down there, and so I really don't wanna get into that whole "2nd Amendment" thing here...which I'M SURE Michael the Admin around here would greatly appreciate. Btw...I thought that was a good point you made, and well said, about war's effect upon people and their families....especially about a war that by far took more American lives than any other in our history. Edited by: Dargo2 on May 31, 2012 1:08 PM

Gotta say Joe that that photo of Dave O'Brien down there is somewhat out of his normal character mode, wouldn't ya say?! Well, I suppose that IS unless one can hear the voice of Pete Smith in their heads sayin' somethin' like... "WELL, well. It appears THIS shnook has never taken a course in gun SAFETY!" ;-)

Ya know ham, I keep hearing this thought that it was "a pig which started this feud", however don't you think this film made the point that that pig was just an excuse for Randall McCoy to seek his revenge about his feeling betrayed by Anse Hatfield during The Civil War(sorry Jake in the Heartland if you're readin' this..."The War Between The States"..hee hee), and of course that crazy freakin' Psycho Jim Nance's murdering of Randall's brother. Ya see, THIS was what I took from this film...the idea how some folks will rationalize their hatred of others by using some of the most dumbest and lamest excuses which they can think up, and that even though this whole mess took place well over a century ago, some people, no matter if they're livin' in some rural locale OR in a more urban environment, haven't really changed all that much in some ways, unfortunately. (...well THAT, and the idea that there were some real freakin' morons back then, AND in fact, some real freakin' morons to this VERY DAY, who should NEVER be allowed to own firearms...and I don't give a rat's patootie if THEY think that they're usually "good God-fearin', law-abidin' citizens" OR NOT!!!) LOL!!!!!! Edited by: Dargo2 on May 31, 2012 12:14 PM

LOL! Hmmmm....ya know Sepia, ya might be right, though I don't recall any girl in school ever lookin' as hot as Ava did. Nope, I guess it's was just that "look" she had...especially that look she had when she gave Burt Lancaster "that look" in "The Killers" when she's standin' next to that piano, though I do have to admit you're right, she didn't age very well. But somehow, even later when she was in "Seven Days In May" and wasn't a spring chicken, she still had a kind of smoldering look of experience that catches my fancy. In addition, I always thought she WASN'T a bad actress at all, and actually gave some very good performances throughout her career, and some of 'em where she played the siren would never be surpassed by any actress with the looks to play that type. I think it was you who I once read around here didn't think Ava was ever all that much, wasn't it?! And so, if it was, I guess you're just not into her and will never see what I see in that "Pandora's" face. (...and so I take it that you're more into Blondes and/or Redheads, eh ol' buddy?!) ;-)

Yep, I thought it was very well done too. Talk about your "Unforgiven" here, eh OHMSS?! It's truly amzing to me how one guy who supposedly had "religion" didn't seem to learn one of THE most important lessons in his Bible...forgiveness. And, how that whole thing was exacerbated at the beginning by the pragmatist on the other side of that river who prized loyalty to that one Psycho kin of his (Uncle Jim Nance) over doing the honorable thing...turning the psycho over to the proper authorities. Though admittedly, the idea of "the Proper Authorities" at that time and place was a nebulous concept at best. (...btw, IF there's ever talk of doin' "The Marjorie Main Story", wouldn't Mare Winningham be PERFECT for the part?) ;-)

Yeah, I know dark. But remember, Fred ISN'T exactly as "spritely" as he used to be! LOL! (..."Old Dog/New Tricks" sorta thing, ya see...though like I was sayin' here, I suppose ya gotta give him credit for at least ONCE broadening his scope about SOMETHIN' here, RIGHT?...it's just too bad it's about this whole "cult" stuff, instead of broadening his scope about what might be appropriate to be shown on TCM in the future...I'm talkin' of course about those "lousy films" made after that "magic cutoff date" of 1960...hmmm, or is it now 1970?!...yep, well, he may be OLD, but he sure is hard to keep up with sometimes, huh!!!) LOL...AGAIN!

Yeah, I know, ham! And I've REALLY gotten into that History Channel presentation too...DESPITE the fact that it's starring and bein' produced by one of THE most boring actors out there today...Kevin there. (...though THAT of course is just "my opinion") LOL!!! I'll be watchin' Part3 in just about an hour from now, Arizona time.

Well dark ol' buddy, I THINK we may have just lost Fred here, dude. Yep, though I SURE would like to have him answer that question I posed to him down below there. (...though, I got me a feelin' even IF I was close to the truth there, he'd deny it 'til the cows came home...yep...good ol' "Never Give An Inch Fred"...ya gotta love him, alright!...sure love his GRIT anyway...and I mean that..this place just wouldn't be the same without him...'cause it would be BORING as hell!!!) LOL!!! Edited by: Dargo2 on May 30, 2012 11:46 PM

Btw Fred, I think it's kind of a shame that those folks who send you all those PMs about how they agree with you don't apparently have the grit to say the same thing on a open forum. I mean, don't YOU think that that's kind of a shame a little bit TOO?! (...well, that IS of course UNLESS they might be agreein' with your take on a subject that goes against the A.U.Ps of this website...you know, those two subjects which should NEVER be discussed in polite company...'cause THEN I can FULLY understand the reason for all those PMs that ya said are backin' ya up, ol' buddy!) LOL!

Fred wrote: "Dargo, you need to relax. And again I suggest, you tell your opinions, and I'll tell mine. We don't nee any of this "you are crazy" stuff "or you are odd" insinuations when you disagree with my opinions. I receive posts and private PMs from people who actually DO agree with many of my opinions and I agree with many of theirs. But you keep acting like you are the Ultimate Judge of MY opinions, which you are certainly not." Well, first Fred, please answer my previous post below here now, as I said in it, I now THINK I know how your mind is working in this matter. Secondly, I have to agree with dark about how it often seems your "fallback measure" is often to just say somethin' like, "Everybody's entitled to their own opinion", and then just leave it at that.. like most of Americans it seems nowadays do just so they don't have to prove the validity of their point. (...especially it seems when they know in their heart of hearts that an opposing opinion MAY be a little more valid than their own)

WAIT!!! I think I've got a handle on Fred's mindset here, dark! (and PLEASE if I'm wrong about this Fred, then feel free to correct me) I THINK Fred thinks that because films such as "Casablanca" don't seem to be as revered by most of those freakin' know-nothin' brats out there nowadays who would rather have bambo shoots shoved up under their fingernails than watch one of "those old B&W movies", that THAT makes us folks HERE somewhat of a "cult of Classic movie fans". And thus, because we are now "a cult", that THAT would make almost every old movie we like to watch a "cult movie" or a "cult classic"!!! (...so Fred, did I just about nail that one for ya, ol' buddy?!)