Dargo2
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Yep, excellent points to bring up in addition here, Swithin.
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If I could figure out how to post pictures around here out of my computer's picture folder and not just off of Google Images, I would oblige you here, Joe.
...wait, lemme try this...it's a pic taken during the motorcycle rally I throw out of Sedona each year, and taken at the Grand Canyon this year...
Edited by: Dargo2 on Aug 31, 2013 11:58 AM
It worked, it worked!
Edited by: Dargo2 on Aug 31, 2013 12:01 PM
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Thanks Char.
I just wish I was proficient in the art of Photoshop so I could have also posted a pic of Springsteen's face superimposed over one of say Kirk's or Ralph Meeker's in that film!
(...might've added just the perfect touch there, eh?!)
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Yes, of course they were. James. However, let us not forget that the Stanley Kramer produced film "Home of the Brave" which stars James Edwards predates "No Way Out" by a year.
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Another lookalike here perhaps, Joe?
Miss Brunetti and Naomi Stevens, perhaps best remembered as Mrs. Dreyfus, Jack Lemmon's next door neighbor in "The Apartment".
(...and speakin' o' "lookalikes"...I occasionally have people tell me that I remind them of the guy right below here...Mr. Coburn)
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Not sure if that's totally true here, Arturo.
I've always thought he delivered all of his comically sarcastic lines in "The Devil's Disciple" extremely well, and of which there were many. And though of course this film isn't strictly a "comedy", there is a lot of subtle wit expressed throughout the film.
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PATHS OF GLORY DAYS
New Jersey-based Rocker in hopes of writing a sequel to an earlier hit song about remembrances of past events in his life, seeks the services of a hypnotist specializing in the recollection of such, and soon learns that in a previous life he was at one time a French soldier attempting to survive in the trenches of World War 1.
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>It transcends everything.
Hmmmm...so THAT must be the reason I always get a lump in my throat and a tear in my eye every time I watch and listen to that, huh?!
(...and I'll bet I'm not the only one who does, eh Swithin?!)
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And NOW...10 extra bonus points to the first person who can post a picture of Nick here actually sportin' a cravat instead of a bowtie!
(...as usual, your points are redeemable at any Best Buy location within the greater Poughkeepsie area...if there IS a greater part of Poughkeepsie that is...I've never been sure about that)
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>I thought DR Smith from Lost In Space was the Queen Of Outer Space.
Hmmm...ya know sfp, now that I THINK about that, maybe THAT'S where I've been goin' wrong all this time here!
Yeah, maybe just a little rewrite here and there, and then MAYBE some WEST Hollywood-based film producer might be interested in my script, RIGHT?!
Thanks, I never would've thought of this otherwise.
(...ya see, THIS is the very reason I hang around here with you folks...for all these great ideas you folks come up with around here!)
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Are you two sure Raft didn't continue getting roles because of a few horse heads strategically placed within the confines of Hollywood???
(...jus' askin')
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You can say THAT again, Fly! I couldn't agree MORE with ya here!
I've been sayin' THIS very same thing for YEARS now, and ever since those b*stards in Tinseltown started rejecting my script with the working title:
"Mildred Pierce: Queen of Outer Space" !
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You're right, Joe. Jean Simmons does have a little Jeanne Crain look goin' on there, doesn't she.
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Actually James, unless I'm mistaken here, wasn't it you who stated that my thought about "the proper perspective" was somehow "irrelevant" to this discussion in Hattie Thread No.1 ?
And so, that was the reason I included the latter two paragraphs in my previous thread, and with that in mind.
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Nope, and I disagree with you, James. I DON'T think Hattie would be as well known or remember if it wasn't for her role in GWTW.
And of course much of this issue is based of the whole "White audience" thing as you and Smoothie noted, because THAT was "where the money was/is". Which brings us back to the issue of, "Don't get your history from movies" thing, and from where the "false conclusion" stems.
The "false conclusion" apparently being that "White audiences" or ANY audiences are somehow still even in THIS day and age so unsophisticated as to think that GWTW is somehow an actual depiction of life in the Antebellum South, and particularly for the slave population.
And thus leading us back to that phrase I used in Hattie's first and now gone thread about "the proper perspective".
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>I still don't understand why you are harping with GWTW, when I have seen about 15-20 movies with Hattie, not to mention, other movies that portrayed other Blacks in mammy/maid roles. Darkblue just admitted that he/she has only seen GWTW and no other movies so I would say he/she would not be qualified to make an accurate assessment of Hattie's work. I am because I have seen a variety of movies with Hattie.
The reason I'm harping on GWTW is because of the following question:
Do you honestly think that TCM would have considered honoring her with her own SUTS day if it WASN'T for her Oscar winning and signature role in that admittedly sugar-coated movie about the Antebellum South?
Nope. probably not, huh. She would probably have been as likely an honoree for this SUTS thing as any other black actor or actress from the pre-Sydney Poitier days, now wouldn't she?! Which of means, almost NO black actor or actress...save for maybe the great Paul Robeson...huh!
And thus THIS is why I'm trying my best to have you understand why Miss McDaniel's role in this film is a KEY issue.
And in response to this comment of yours...
>You keep saying people YOU know. What you DON'T know can fill several oceans. Just because you have never experienced anything does not mean it doesn't exist. Anyway, I am speaking about audiences of THAT TIME who these movies were made for. Blackface, StepnFetchit, Mammies were all created for the sole purpose of entertaining White audiences who "got a kick" out of seeing Blacks live up to stereotypes that they desperately wanted to believe were a reality.
I can not deny that there are MANY people and MANY things in this life and in the world that I do not know, however once again in this paragraph you attempt to erroneously lump the Mammy character in GWTF with the "StepnFetchits" in all films, and which unfortunate again, all I can say is because you are not totally familiar with this film, you have once again overstepped your knowledge while coming to a false conclusion.
You see, what you apparently don't know because of this is that "Mammy" is the "rock" of the whole story and is the "conscience" of the Scarlett O'Hara character in particular, and thus the ONLY "kick" that ANY audience member possessing ANY amount of perceptive qualities while watching this film would get the "kick" of would be watching the Mammy character attempting to instill in the Scarlett character some sense of moral and ethical behavior, and of which she is solely lacking.
Now, while I understand your concerns about the "sugar-coating" of the issue of slavery which this film presents to the public, allow me to remind you that anyone who expects to get anything close to an accurate "history lesson" by use of viewing Hollywood movies, SHOULD know that that would we be a very misguided thought.
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I don't know if it's the blonde wig and/or the angle he has his head cocked there, but William Powell to me is almost unrecognizable as himself there, wouldn't ya say Joe?!
(...sorry, couldn't resist)
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Ya know Smoothie, I was SO agreeing with you on most of the points you made in this thread after I've now returned to read it just now, BUT unfortunately here is where I believe you made your "leap of logic" once again...and specifically in the film you've admitted before your untimely departure from these boards that you've "only watched in bits and pieces"...yep, sorry, but I'm going to once again harp on the fact you're not really and completely familiar with McDaniel's signature performance in "Gone With the Wind".
Your own words below which I've taken the liberty to place in bold print being in my view when your good points ceased being "good":
>It was only financially beneficial. Seeing a fat, dark skinned asexual mammy whose sole purpose in life was to cater to the needs of her White masters and mistresses made audiences laugh AT her not WITH her. Some people put money over self respect.
You see, once again, nobody with whom I've ever watched THIS particular film and/or nobody who I know who is familiar with THIS particular role and this particular film has ever "laughed AT and not WITH" McDaniel's portrayal of the character Mammy. The reason being, once again, because McDaniel plays the character possessing dignity, intelligence AND insight...and yes, even though her character's name is unfortunately "Mammy", and yes, even though she is presently as being "asexual" and "non-threatening", of which I might remind to you that most "service capacity" roles played by actors and actresses of any color were almost exclusively presented as "asexual" and "non-threatening".
Nope, to reiterate, nary a sole that I KNOW has ever "laughed AT and not WITH" Hattie McDaniel in that film.
(...but trust me, if I ever DO run across a person that would "laugh at" and not "with" this character while watching this film together with them, then I would almost be compelled to assign that person in my mind as someone unable to fully comprehend the subject and subject matter OR as someone inclined toward a predetermined mindset from the beginning...and once again, regardless of that person's skin tone)
(...oh, and btw...welcome back)
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WELL! I ALWAYS thought Bobby Sherman was SOOOOO much cuter than David ever was!!!
And, "Julie, Do You Love Me"...what a simply dreamy song!
(...yeah, I know...my teenybopper impression needs work, huh)
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Well, in defense of my "math" here Twinkeee, I was probably
thinkin' of YOUR 5th and then adding your "babes" Fred's
5th to make THAT a sum total of a "10th"!
(...I mean you can see how my calculations could go slightly amiss here, RIGHT?!)
LOL
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I agree with ya, twister...and on all counts.
And probably because in my view no actor has ever surpassed him in effectively and entertainingly being able to express the sense of cynicism which many of his characters he played possessed, and which I feel I have in common....sometimes.
(...don't get me wrong though, I'm no Gloomy Gus!)
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Heck John, you should be used to that "all over again" feeling around here by now!
(..what with it seeming every tenth thread started being somethin' like: "I can't stand movies made after 1960!")
LOL
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Btw James and twister, in my opinion I wouldn't care if TCM decided one of next year's SUTS "stars" was Frank Faylen(for instance, and not that I'm advocating for him here), IF that would prompt TCM to seek out and show movies which are rarely seen and/or "forgotten gems", and which might only feature the ol' Bedford Falls cabbie in a few scant scenes.
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>Patty Cakes?
Ummm...yeah. That was the word/phrase startin' with the letter "P" that I was thinkin' of, alright.
(...uh-huh...suuuuure)
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Hattie McDaniel Part Deux
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>I wonder if that was a reference to movies like Crossfire.
I was thinkin' more "Gentleman's Agreement", but yes, that film probably also.