Dargo2

LOL YEAH! Let's blame finance again!!! He's won't mind. I'm sure he used to it by now! (...isn't that right, finance,ol' buddy?!) LOL

However James, wasn't it you yourself who made the comment in that thread about this "not being Black History Month, and thus why are these 'burdens' of being a 'representative of her race' placed upon Miss McDaniel during this SUTS spotlighting?" (..well, if it wasn't you, then whoever it was I thought asked a very good question)

Sorry Lavender, but it is you who seems to have now misunderstood my reply to iz's earlier comment regarding my earlier misunderstanding of iz's intent. My first response to iz was an implication that I understood that you had NOT thought of me as the reason for the thread's demise, not the other way around. (...and so, as Chick Hearn, the old Voice of the L.A. Lakers used to say: "No Harm, No Foul") Edited by: Dargo2 on Aug 24, 2013 3:49 PM

Wow dark! You're just chalk full of "$64,000 Questions" here today, aren't ya?! (...and not ONLY very tough questions, but very GOOD ones, also!)

Thanks for taking the time to clarify your earlier point, iz. (...though giving credit where credit is due, I believe it was Tom who made the oh so insightful comment about "the gasoline"...and he was so right, as we both know)

Good points, Tom, and if you've read my most recent reply to darkblue, then you saw I grasped those points, but also lamented that until such emotions can be reduced in value by ALL parties concerned, then "moving forward" as a society by means of a rational dialogue will unfortunately never ensue.

>I must tell you that I admire your restraint in not posting some of the infamous jokes. "RESTRAINT"???!!! Now remember who you're talkin' to here, Sans!!! You mean like that old query: "Do you know why the Brits drink warm beer?" LOL

>Last night, the thread had veered far afield of the original topic and from the dust-up between Dargo and CaramelSmoothie into an area far away from Hattie McDaniel, Gone with the Wind and her other roles and more into modern racial politics and statistics. And that was likely what caused the thread to be removed. Well iz, it appears at least LavenderBlue doesn't agree with your opinion as to why that thread is now gone....not that I'm sayin' you're wrong here, mind you! LOL (...and btw, the vast majority of my responses to Smoothie WERE about her lack of awareness in the matter of GWTW and Hattie's role in it, if you recall correctly)

That right THERE might be the $64,000 Question, dark! And here's MY opinion on that: Probably not, and for the very same reason that any discussion which includes the issue of "Race" contained within any discussion, still to this day will never get discussed in any truly meaningful manner so was to not eventually become a discussion laced with emotional responses because of past wrongs committed. (...and so it goes....unfortunately...and why in my opinion this issue will be around for generations to come....unfortunately)

LOL While for some reason I never got into "Mad Men"(always thought I missed the boat on that one, as I do like stories about that era in our history) that IS a funny storyline there, and makes me even more sorry I never got into that series. Yep, the ol' Joe "The Prince of Darkness" Lucas(British electrical systems) strikes again, eh?!)

Well, as that old "Barttles and James" wine cooler commercial went Lavender, "Thanks for your support"!!! LOL But yeah, I already pretty much perceived the notion that once someone else around here brought up the issue of "rape" in a SERIOUS manner after I JOKINGLY made of the comment about "serial killers always being portrayed by white guys...'cause they usually are!", that that thread was gonna be a goner. (...I guess I'm just as bad a "bad influence" as finance is around here, HUH?!) LOL

Yep, you got it, alright! I'm actually sorry to hear of her leaving, because while I didn't agree with her opinion(an opinion based somewhat on her lack of actually never having watched the movie GWTW all the way through and thus unaware that Hattie played the character with more than a little measure of dignity, I MIGHT add), I thought her a very intelligent and articulate individual, and would have loved to have heard other opinions she might have shared about classic films in general. Ya see, IF she would have just been JUST a little more "full of herself"(which was her VERY accurate opinion of ME, btw) then MAYBE she would have possessed enough "grit" to take the slings and arrows of holding a "minority opinion"(and I don't mean "minority" in THAT way here) and thus still be around so that could have happened! (...uh-huh, NOW do you folks see how someone being "full of themselves" can sometimes contribute to their "longevity"???) LOL

The new member's name was "CaramelSmoothie", dark, and her opening post while intelligently stated was basically a treatise on why in her opinion honoring Hattie McDaniel during the SUTS tributes was "an insult to her heritage"...and then things progressed(or maybe "digressed" being more an accurately descriptive term)) from there. I have to admit I was "a little" hard on her myself, firing off rather "point-blank" opinions of my own in rebuttal, but nothing to the point of REALLY being "mean". (...well, okay, there WAS those times I accused the poor thing as havin' "a chip on her shoulder", but other that THAT, I pretty much hit her with stone-cold logic!!!) LOL

So, I'm watching "MotorWeek" on PBS this morning, and lo and behold WHAT car model do ya think the opening segment was about? Series host John Davis begins by saying somethin' like: "Jaguar motorcars have a long and storied history, and with their fortunes being somewhat up and down through the years. However it appears the newest Jaguar XF sedans might just rise those fortunes to new levels!" (...and of course I immediately thought to myself..."Well, I'm pretty sure Dick Van Dyke might have a slightly different opinion about that now!")

Well, nothing I WOULD have thought the fate of the thread deserved. (...but there WERE a few posts by some members which had me somewhat shaking my head in amazement after I read them because their content was, let us say, "born of over-emotion and lack of clear thought")

>I'm curious now - didn't bother to read any of it because I wasn't interested in Hattie McDaniel. Missed some racism, did I? I wouldn't say you missed any "racism" per se, dark, but perhaps more a "debate" about how viewing stereotypical roles in older films can tend to upset some people who might not have yet gotten to the point of being able of putting away past grievances enough to view them with more an analytical mindset.

Good points made again, Mr.R, however I would suggest your use of the word "sanitized" to describe any possible remake of this film is somewhat misplaced, because as I'm sure you know, one of the most often made accusations(and probably a valid accusation) about the '39 version is that THAT version is a "sanitized" version of events which would have taken place in the Antebellum and Postbellum South.

"Charming" was the perfect word to use while describing this film, Sans. I've always liked this movie a lot, also. (...also liked your, "I could wish that there were no greater evils in the world!" line here)

Excellent points all there, Mr.R. And in regard to your question, I would say that any modern day GWTW made would be almost unrecognizable to the '39 version, with as my guess the storyline presenting the O'Hara and Wilkes family as much less benevolent toward their slave population, among other changes. This of course would be due to the changes in public perception about the Antebellum South after all these years. And in regard to who might be best cast as the character Mammy, right off Oprah Winfrey comes to mind, however I have a feeling that even after all these years, most well-known African-American middle-aged actresses would run from the idea of recreating the character in ANY form, due to the potential controversy such an endeavor would almost assuredly create, and witnessed by how the now gone "Hattie McDaniel SUTS" thread ultimately took the turn that it did.

Apparently THAT was the reason nobody had started a Hattie McDaniel SUTS thread! LOL Because apparently even in this day and age, people are still unable to discuss the topic of Hattie being black, or to discuss the issue of race and race relations in more an academic mode and without interjecting past grievances into said discussion. (...because as we can now see, your thread has been obliterated)

Eeh! I like my "theory" better, lady!!!

>With all the calories I burn, I have to eat constantly. The fact that I eat mostly non-fattening food means I can never satisfy my appetite. AAH! Okay, "New Theory" here again, folks: -finance's posts are always so short in length because it's really hard to type while you have rice cakes in one hand....or both. (..so .whaddaya think, folks?!...might THIS "new theory" o' mine FINALLY be one that'll hold up to scrutiny???)

And probably why we've never noticed FredCDobbs voice nary a complaint about Bogie's work in that movie about a search for gold in the mountains of northern Mexico, huh finance! (...we just let him complain about the movies TCM shows and that were made after Louis B. Mayer bit the dust, that's all!) LOL

Well, ya know, what say we blame finance for all this then, and after he earlier replied to you with: >I did not know that (doing my best Johnny Carson). Yep, I suppose he got me thinkin' along those lines there. (...he's SUCH a "bad influence", ya know!!!) LOL

Sorry Lavender, I forgot to answer your question about my possible consumption of mind altering substances. Nope, not a drop, and nope, I don't smoke the Wacky Weed, either. Maybe it's just 'cause I'm on "a high" 'cause I WAXED everyone on the tennis court this morning, with scores of 6-2, 6-1, and 6-0! (...and thus this might've contributed to my being a little more "full of myself" than usual!!!) LOL