Dargo2
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So, I'm watching "MotorWeek" on PBS this morning, and lo and behold WHAT car model do ya think the opening segment was about?
Series host John Davis begins by saying somethin' like:
"Jaguar motorcars have a long and storied history, and with their fortunes being somewhat up and down through the years. However it appears the newest Jaguar XF sedans might just rise those fortunes to new levels!"
(...and of course I immediately thought to myself..."Well, I'm pretty sure Dick Van Dyke might have a slightly different opinion about that now!")
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Well, nothing I WOULD have thought the fate of the thread deserved.
(...but there WERE a few posts by some members which had me somewhat shaking my head in amazement after I read them because their content was, let us say, "born of over-emotion and lack of clear thought")
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>I'm curious now - didn't bother to read any of it because I wasn't interested in Hattie McDaniel. Missed some racism, did I?
I wouldn't say you missed any "racism" per se, dark, but perhaps more a "debate" about how viewing stereotypical roles in older films can tend to upset some people who might not have yet gotten to the point of being able of putting away past grievances enough to view them with more an analytical mindset.
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Good points made again, Mr.R, however I would suggest your use of the word "sanitized" to describe any possible remake of this film is somewhat misplaced, because as I'm sure you know, one of the most often made accusations(and probably a valid accusation) about the '39 version is that THAT version is a "sanitized" version of events which would have taken place in the Antebellum and Postbellum South.
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"Charming" was the perfect word to use while describing this film, Sans.
I've always liked this movie a lot, also.
(...also liked your, "I could wish that there were no greater evils in the world!" line here)
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Excellent points all there, Mr.R.
And in regard to your question, I would say that any modern day GWTW made would be almost unrecognizable to the '39 version, with as my guess the storyline presenting the O'Hara and Wilkes family as much less benevolent toward their slave population, among other changes.
This of course would be due to the changes in public perception about the Antebellum South after all these years.
And in regard to who might be best cast as the character Mammy, right off Oprah Winfrey comes to mind, however I have a feeling that even after all these years, most well-known African-American middle-aged actresses would run from the idea of recreating the character in ANY form, due to the potential controversy such an endeavor would almost assuredly create, and witnessed by how the now gone "Hattie McDaniel SUTS" thread ultimately took the turn that it did.
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You've probably already read my "To answer your question, MissW" thread by now, haven't ya Sepia?!
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Apparently THAT was the reason nobody had started a Hattie McDaniel SUTS thread!
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Because apparently even in this day and age, people are still unable to discuss the topic of Hattie being black, or to discuss the issue of race and race relations in more an academic mode and without interjecting past grievances into said discussion.
(...because as we can now see, your thread has been obliterated)
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>I don't know if it my place to tell these people to put the movie in the proper perspective
Well, call me "full of myself" here, James, but MY "perspective" has always been that it usually seems peoples' "perspective" is a little wider when they don't allow their emotions to restrict their "perspective", and thus allowing more perception.
And MY perspective, because I don't have an "ax to grind" here and thus am somewhat devoid of the emotion of pain regarding this matter, is that our otherwise very intelligent new friend Smoothie here has a bit of a restricted "perspective" in this matter, and due apparently to the emotion of "pain" caused from some previous experiences of hers, and thus again possibly causing some form of "transference" between how Miss McDaniel was treated and used by Hollywood of old and herself.
AND thus, MY "perspective" coming to the conclusion that all this is the reason this thread honoring Miss McDaniel went into this direction.
Edited by: Dargo2 on Aug 23, 2013 6:16 PM
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Eeh! I like my "theory" better, lady!!!
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>With all the calories I burn, I have to eat constantly. The fact that I eat mostly non-fattening food means I can never satisfy my appetite.
AAH!
Okay, "New Theory" here again, folks:
-finance's posts are always so short in length because it's really hard to type while you have rice cakes in one hand....or both.
(..so .whaddaya think, folks?!...might THIS "new theory" o' mine FINALLY be one that'll hold up to scrutiny???)
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>Because, quite frankly, I don't have the right to judge her.
Oh SURE, Tom. First our friend Smoothie here uses the ol' "Godwin's Law" shtick, and now YOU wanna use that whole "Cast The First Stone" number here, HUH...err...EH???!!!
LOL
(...btw, thanks for your approval of my previous post...well, most of it anyway)
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And probably why we've never noticed FredCDobbs voice nary a complaint about Bogie's work in that movie about a search for gold in the mountains of northern Mexico, huh finance!
(...we just let him complain about the movies TCM shows and that were made after Louis B. Mayer bit the dust, that's all!)
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I agree with you about that, Smoothie. Of course the passage of time doesn't and maybe shouldn't lessen the "hurt" of what has been done to "The Other" throughout history.
However, what I have seen here is that while YOU still justifiably have this hurt, you appear incapable of placing that "hurt" in that "proper perspective" of which I just mentioned, and then unable to view these films in more of a dispassionate manner or in more of a "academic" manner, and thus unable to remove your understandable predisposition to take them for what they were/are.
(...and btw, to use the analogy of "Jews still looking for Nazis after all this time" in service to press your point about "Hattie's SUTS day being just last week" is as you probably really know the ultimate "fallback" measure in a debate, aka, "Godwin's Law"...and as you probably ALSO know is often one of the poorest tactics to take in any debate because most often it shows a person's argument to be weak)
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Oh james, you're just a...what was that again, oh yeah, "breath of fresh air"!
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Look my friend, once again I understand all the points which you've reiterated in this most recent post of yours.
However, the "stumbling block" appears to be that IF there are(and of course there are) people who STILL after all this time feel "slighted" by the portrayals of certain races, blondes, short people, tall people, people without a ****(this would be women, of course) or any number of characteristics in the movies made a LONG LONG LONG time ago and before many(and hopefully most) INTELLIGENT people came to the realization that it was NOT "fair" to the aforementioned list of people(though I've sure I've unfortunately forgotten to list the many other people who haven't been treated fair over the years), then I STILL SAY "the ball is in THEIR court" to be able to put these relicts of days gone past into the PROPER PERSPECTIVE!!!
(...and now THIS is all I'm going to say in the thread, 'cause I seriously doubt I will be able to state my case any better than I just have...tootle-loo all!)
***edit done to correctly spell the word "perspective" above***
Edited by: Dargo2 on Aug 23, 2013 3:58 PM
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Well, ya know, what say we blame finance for all this then, and after he earlier replied to you with:
>I did not know that (doing my best Johnny Carson).
Yep, I suppose he got me thinkin' along those lines there.
(...he's SUCH a "bad influence", ya know!!!)
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Sorry Lavender, I forgot to answer your question about my possible consumption of mind altering substances.
Nope, not a drop, and nope, I don't smoke the Wacky Weed, either.
Maybe it's just 'cause I'm on "a high" 'cause I WAXED everyone on the tennis court this morning, with scores of 6-2, 6-1, and 6-0!
(...and thus this might've contributed to my being a little more "full of myself" than usual!!!)
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WAIT!!! Just 'cause I called you "MOOSE BREATH"???
And, which as you may recall Johnny Carson always said and called Ed McMahon just after Ed setup the coming comedy routine by saying: And so, EVERYTHING you'd EVER want to know about this subject is in this book!" Remember?!
(...man, some folks suuuuure have a "chip on their shoulder" around here lately...wait, I'm allowed say this about you, right lavender?...I mean, I'm pretty sure you're white, aren't ya?!)
ROFL
(...oh, and if ya didn't get this one either, go to the "Hattie McDaniel" thread and all will be revealed!!!)
Edited by: Dargo2 on Aug 23, 2013 3:19 PM
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> And no, my opinion has not been proven false.
Just the measures you've used to reach your opinion. Yep, THAT'S all!
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(...""Full Of Myself" signing off for a while, Smoothie...I'm haven't MUCH more fun over in the Dick Van Dyke thread now...see ya later...btw, PLEASE check your shoulder for foreign objects in the meantime)
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C'mon now. EVEN IF it was just somethin' like singed eyebrows???
Heck, I've done that to myself while barbequing steaks, and I STILL laugh at myself every time I think about it!
(...WHAT?!...have we got a "double standard" goin on here just 'cause Dick is 87 and I'm only 61?!...I sure don't think THAT'S fair at all...sounds like "AGEISM" to ME!!!)
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>Let them make make me any offer, and I won't refuse LOL
Findin' horse heads in your bed lately or somethin', Lavender???
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>Had Dick been hurt in anyway no one would be joking about this.(at least I wouldn't be) It's because Dick, thank goodness, walked out of that car without a scratch.
Hmmmmm....you are WRONG, Moose Breath!
Dependin' upon how slightly Dick might've been hurt, I MIGHT'VE still ventured a few yuks along the way here!
(...aaah, but then again, everyone around here already knows I have no class, huh!)
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Well Lavender, I suppose that would all depend upon how far of a commute it would be for you to get to the Ed Sullivan Theater every day, huh!
(...ya see, I hear the pay on Dave's staff is JUST about the same as what Alan Brady gave to HIS staff, and that figure hasn't been adjusted for inflation since '65, and so it might not be worth your while!)
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Well of course, finance! I mean you DO know that SOME people still feel it's rather in poor taste to bring up that whole matter of Ford's Theater and certain very tall President and joke about THAT, doncha?!
(...and so ya gotta get 'em where ya can, dude!)
To answer your question, MissW...
in General Discussions
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The new member's name was "CaramelSmoothie", dark, and her opening post while intelligently stated was basically a treatise on why in her opinion honoring Hattie McDaniel during the SUTS tributes was "an insult to her heritage"...and then things progressed(or maybe "digressed" being more an accurately descriptive term)) from there.
I have to admit I was "a little" hard on her myself, firing off rather "point-blank" opinions of my own in rebuttal, but nothing to the point of REALLY being "mean".
(...well, okay, there WAS those times I accused the poor thing as havin' "a chip on her shoulder", but other that THAT, I pretty much hit her with stone-cold logic!!!)
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